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Projected 2013 National Numbers

9/5/2012 12:42 PM

Im surprised no one is talking about this.

Biggest news I see is that Ken Roczen might be able to squeak in the top 10 to get his 94, he just needs 7 points on Millsaps which should be doable.

Also no more 75 for Hill

http://www.pulpmx.com/stories/projected-2013-national-numbers

9/5/2012 1:10 PM
Edited Date/Time: 9/5/2012 1:18 PM

Roczen already has 7 more points than Millsaps, so Millsaps would have to make up 7 points on Roczen so Kenny would not make the top 10.

449 - Roczen
442 - Millsaps


9/5/2012 1:24 PM
Edited Date/Time: 9/5/2012 1:25 PM

can anyone explain to me how Brayton earned a career top 10 number? also why is Barcia projected to be number 51?

fuggin awesome numbering system right there

ps.. awesome for Kenny, wonder if that is what he will run

kcco

9/5/2012 1:31 PM

peelout wrote: can anyone explain to me how Brayton earned a career top 10 number? also why is Barcia projected to be number 51?

fuggin awesome numbering system right there

ps.. awesome for Kenny, wonder if that is what he will run

I always thought it was just single digit numbers that could be career numbers, unless they chose....................oh fuggit I don't know! I never could understand how Chisholm got his number also.

9/5/2012 1:32 PM
Edited Date/Time: 9/5/2012 1:39 PM

Barcia finishes in the top 10 this year overall he will get to pick a career # so he might want 51 which was his amateur #.

9/5/2012 1:35 PM

MT MX wrote: I always thought it was just single digit numbers that could be career numbers, unless they chose....................oh fuggit I don't know! I never could understand how Chisholm got his number also.

The rules are simple but yet people still have a hard time figuring this system out even though it's been out for years. Here's a refresher- If you win a national or supercross title, you get to pick a single digit career number OR a two-digit career number if you so choose. If you finish in the top ten in COMBINED points for the year, you can pick a career two digit number. You cannot pick a career three-digit number although Mike Alessi is allowed to keep his 800 because he got grandfathered in before that rule changed. The single digits that are available are 4,6 and 8.

250 SX points DO NOT count for combined points. AGAIN- 250 SX points DO NOT COUNT.

9/5/2012 1:38 PM

peelout wrote: can anyone explain to me how Brayton earned a career top 10 number? also why is Barcia projected to be number 51?

fuggin awesome numbering system right there

ps.. awesome for Kenny, wonder if that is what he will run

MT MX wrote: I always thought it was just single digit numbers that could be career numbers, unless they chose....................oh fuggit I don't know! I never could understand how Chisholm got his number also.

MXerDW wrote: The rules are simple but yet people still have a hard time figuring this system out even though it's been out for years. Here's a refresher- If you win a national or supercross title, you get to pick a single digit career number OR a two-digit career number if you so choose. If you finish in the top ten in COMBINED points for the year, you can pick a career two digit number. You cannot pick a career three-digit number although Mike Alessi is allowed to keep his 800 because he got grandfathered in before that rule changed. The single digits that are available are 4,6 and 8.

250 SX points DO NOT count for combined points. AGAIN- 250 SX points DO NOT COUNT.

i get it somewhat. still don't know what they are going to do once all the 1-9 numbers are taken and other guys (Brown for instance) want to keep their numbers. then it is just going to expand into the top 20 are career only... just seems silly.

thanks for clarifying Barcia's 51

kcco

9/5/2012 1:40 PM

Will the 250 SX points ever be combined, and count toward riders numbers?

9/5/2012 1:42 PM

MXerDW wrote: The rules are simple but yet people still have a hard time figuring this system out even though it's been out for years. Here's a refresher- If you win a national or supercross title, you get to pick a single digit career number OR a two-digit career number if you so choose. If you finish in the top ten in COMBINED points for the year, you can pick a career two digit number. You cannot pick a career three-digit number although Mike Alessi is allowed to keep his 800 because he got grandfathered in before that rule changed. The single digits that are available are 4,6 and 8.

250 SX points DO NOT count for combined points. AGAIN- 250 SX points DO NOT COUNT.

So, how has Chisholm been able to keep his number 11 for multiple years? He's never finished in the top 10 combined has he? In 2011 he only raced about half the supercross season and part of the outdoors. Oh, maybe 2010 he did, because he was barely qualifying for supercrosses in 2009 on L&M.

9/5/2012 1:46 PM
Edited Date/Time: 9/5/2012 1:47 PM

MT MX wrote: So, how has Chisholm been able to keep his number 11 for multiple years? He's never finished in the top 10 combined has he? In 2011 he only raced about half the supercross season and part of the outdoors. Oh, maybe 2010 he did, because he was barely qualifying for supercrosses in 2009 on L&M.

in 2010 chsiolm was 10th in SX with 177 points and 6th in MX 266 points, thats when he earned the career two digit

9/5/2012 1:46 PM

Chisholm finished 6th overall in combined points in 2010.

9/5/2012 1:50 PM

MXerDW wrote: The rules are simple but yet people still have a hard time figuring this system out even though it's been out for years. Here's a refresher- If you win a national or supercross title, you get to pick a single digit career number OR a two-digit career number if you so choose. If you finish in the top ten in COMBINED points for the year, you can pick a career two digit number. You cannot pick a career three-digit number although Mike Alessi is allowed to keep his 800 because he got grandfathered in before that rule changed. The single digits that are available are 4,6 and 8.

250 SX points DO NOT count for combined points. AGAIN- 250 SX points DO NOT COUNT.

Errrrrrr...yeah...


About that.


It "seems" that this year (2012) 250 SX points DO count towards national numbers..a change was made in the rules. I'm having trouble 100% w/o a doubt clarifying this for NEXT season and not for 2014 but it looks like this is the case. So, I'm working on a revised chart for a rule that has been changed that was in place for 27 years.

"No one here or anyone for that matter knows how you function"

9/5/2012 1:53 PM

Matthes,
JT$ said that was not going to start until next year.
So is it starting this year or next?

9/5/2012 2:40 PM

I heard it was this year, as in 250 sx points do count towards your 2013 number.

9/5/2012 2:51 PM
Edited Date/Time: 9/5/2012 5:58 PM

Alright here is the points including 250 East/West SX






9/5/2012 3:14 PM

MT MX wrote: I always thought it was just single digit numbers that could be career numbers, unless they chose....................oh fuggit I don't know! I never could understand how Chisholm got his number also.

MXerDW wrote: The rules are simple but yet people still have a hard time figuring this system out even though it's been out for years. Here's a refresher- If you win a national or supercross title, you get to pick a single digit career number OR a two-digit career number if you so choose. If you finish in the top ten in COMBINED points for the year, you can pick a career two digit number. You cannot pick a career three-digit number although Mike Alessi is allowed to keep his 800 because he got grandfathered in before that rule changed. The single digits that are available are 4,6 and 8.

250 SX points DO NOT count for combined points. AGAIN- 250 SX points DO NOT COUNT.

peelout wrote: i get it somewhat. still don't know what they are going to do once all the 1-9 numbers are taken and other guys (Brown for instance) want to keep their numbers. then it is just going to expand into the top 20 are career only... just seems silly.

thanks for clarifying Barcia's 51

It's been a silly system since day one. The biggest issue being that the majority of the riders in the sport have a rather limited amount of time competing at this level.

I understand the branding part of it but with riders continuing to score just enough points to keep their number for another year it is pretty stupid. A rider's name was good enough branding for a long time before they went to this system.

Some riders that have only a few stellar seasons should be allowed to run the "earned" number the next year to showcase their accomplishment.

If the reasoning behind the semi-permanent system is because the confusion that comes with yearly changes, Several years before they went to the new system I can remember quizzing a 3 or 4 year old Brett Cue at the Dallas SX that year as to several of the riders and their new "earned numbers" and he didn't miss a single one. Yes he was pretty hip for a kid that age though.

I also remember questioning DC about it on the old Motonews board about, and he did say several of the riders were in favor of it at that time. I bet the majority of those were top ten riders though, and didn't want to elaborate on it as to which ones were in favor of it at the time.

Let them run what they earn, it seemed to work really well for a long time.

Of course this is just my opinion, and you are welcome to yours as well.

9/5/2012 3:17 PM

MT MX wrote: I always thought it was just single digit numbers that could be career numbers, unless they chose....................oh fuggit I don't know! I never could understand how Chisholm got his number also.

MXerDW wrote: The rules are simple but yet people still have a hard time figuring this system out even though it's been out for years. Here's a refresher- If you win a national or supercross title, you get to pick a single digit career number OR a two-digit career number if you so choose. If you finish in the top ten in COMBINED points for the year, you can pick a career two digit number. You cannot pick a career three-digit number although Mike Alessi is allowed to keep his 800 because he got grandfathered in before that rule changed. The single digits that are available are 4,6 and 8.

250 SX points DO NOT count for combined points. AGAIN- 250 SX points DO NOT COUNT.

Matthes wrote: Errrrrrr...yeah...


About that.


It "seems" that this year (2012) 250 SX points DO count towards national numbers..a change was made in the rules. I'm having trouble 100% w/o a doubt clarifying this for NEXT season and not for 2014 but it looks like this is the case. So, I'm working on a revised chart for a rule that has been changed that was in place for 27 years.

the number system just became an even bigger joke.

9/5/2012 4:58 PM

This is from the 2012 rulebook:

The total combined points from the Supercross,
(Supercross Lites for 2013 numbers), MX 450 and MX
250 classes will be used to determine the order. National
numbers are then issued according to highest to lowest total
points. In case of riders having the same amount of total
points the tie is broken by the best Moto finish for those
riders. In the event you have a rider that rode just SX and
one that rode SX and Motocross, the tie would go to the
rider that rode both series

9/5/2012 5:26 PM
Edited Date/Time: 9/5/2012 5:28 PM

I wish they would go back to the old system.

This isn't NASCAR... how long until a team "owns" a number for their riders? Going by MXerDW's list, Barcia should be able to run #2 next year! THAT is an accomplishment, not earning just enough points to squeek by on a rules loophole.

I like guys like Brown and Dowd still racing, but they should run what they earned latley, not 11 years ago.

9/5/2012 5:56 PM

If I were in charge:

1) Only MX and 450SX champs get to pick a perm number, no top 10 finishes, nothing else. Champs only.

2) 250SX Half points towards a number. There has to be some reward for that grind.

3) Retired (or semi retired) champs get 2 years grace, then have to earn 1 point a year to retain.

Or.... Return to the old system where the champs wear #1, and the rest run what ya earn.

9/5/2012 9:08 PM

I think champions of any of the five series should be able to choose a career number. Only 450 champs get a single digit number though. Other than that, your number starts at 10 and it numbers off from there, skipping the permanent numbers the champions choose. For instance if a rider with 0 championships finished 1st in combined points without a championship, he would be number 10 next season.

9/5/2012 9:55 PM
Edited Date/Time: 9/5/2012 9:57 PM

Why make it so hard and complicate the process? Run what you earn. Champions run the #1 plate in the respective class where they won (450 SX, 250 SX west, 250 SX east, 450 MX, and 250 MX). All others run what they earned with combined points from all classes in all series.

If the champion points out of the 250 SX class or they move up after winning a 250 MX championship, then they run what they earned on their 450. If the 250 SX champ wants to ride the opposite coast, then they run what they earned. Beyond that is the random 3 digits. Old school style...straightforward, no grandfathering, no exceptions, no 25 points to keep a number, no top 10 career numbers, run what you earned unless your the champ in that class.

9/9/2012 7:34 PM

Update?

9/9/2012 7:42 PM

mag250 wrote: Update?

Look HERE

9/9/2012 7:54 PM
Edited Date/Time: 9/9/2012 7:55 PM

mag250 wrote: Update?

MXerDW wrote: Look HERE

Hate to ask DW but any chance you could add estimated numbers to that list?

9/9/2012 8:06 PM

fullfloater wrote: Hate to ask DW but any chance you could add estimated numbers to that list?

That is really tough to do, as we have to wait and see what #'s Baggett and the other six riders take first.
I could put a list of how I think it will end, but its just a guess.

9/9/2012 8:13 PM

mag250 wrote: Update?

MXerDW wrote: Look HERE

Thanks DW !

9/13/2012 9:06 PM

So is Hill the first rider ever (current racing pro) to lose his career number?

9/13/2012 9:33 PM

Will he actually lose it though? He had a season long injury

9/13/2012 11:29 PM

I wonder what number J-Law will pick?

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