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4/18/2017 8:42 PM
Edited Date/Time: 4/18/2017 8:50 PM



Supercross top 10.

1.) Jeremy McGrath: King of the modern way of how to skillfully race modern obstacles.
2.) James Stewart: No one has ever gone faster. Just too inconsistent over his whole career.
3.) Ryan Villopoto: Thought about RC here but I truly believe RV was slightly better.
4.) Ricky Carmichael: Greatest overall rider ever.
5.) Ryan Dungey: Thought about Chad but Ryan has more titles and has had deeper pool of competition.
6.) Chad Reed: I could see him as high as 3rd but only 2 titles and those were not very strong fields.
7.) Ricky Johnson: The predecessor to McGrath in SX skill. Was first rider I recall to consistently skim whoops.
8.) Jeff Ward: Hannah could be here but Wardy was Johnsons main threat for the longest time.
9.) Bob Hannah: 3 titles and the heart of a Lion.
10.) Jeff Stanton: The true Diesel.



Motocross all time top 10



1.) Ricky Carmichael: 102 wins outdoors.
2.) James Stewart: 48 wins outdoors and the most in the lites class.
3.) Ryan Dungey: 46 wins outdoors and 4 titles.
4.) Ryan Villopoto: 31 wins outdoors and 5 titles. If he would've had a little stronger 450 MX career he would be 2nd.
5.) Ricky Johnson: Could have been higher but for that broken navicular bone.
6.) Jeff Ward: Titles on 125, 250, and 500.
7.) Jeff Emig: 29 wins outdoors and 3 titles. At his best I think he could hang with RC outdoors.
8.) Broc Glover: the golden boy rode the 500 to many wins.
9.) Jeff Stanton: got er done!
10.) David Bailey: Had to put him on here some where. He was amazing to watch and just didn't get to show us long enough!

Hans Francis

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4/18/2017 8:53 PM

I'm under 30, so my list is going to reflect that. I can't rank guys I've never seen against guys that I have.

SX

1.) Mc
2.) RC
3.) JS7
4.) RV
5.) CR22
6.) RD

(Besides Emig, these are the only guys who have won championships while I've been cognizant. And sorry, if a dude hasn't won a championship, I can't put him on a GOAT list.)

MX

1.) RC
2.) RV
3.) JS
4.) KR94
5.) RD

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4/18/2017 8:57 PM

TripleFive wrote:

I'm under 30, so my list is going to reflect that. I can't rank guys I've never seen against guys that I have.

SX

1.) Mc
2.) RC
3.) JS7
4.) RV
5.) CR22
6.) RD

(Besides Emig, these are the only guys who have won championships while I've been cognizant. And sorry, if a dude hasn't won a championship, I can't put him on a GOAT list.)

MX

1.) RC
2.) RV
3.) JS
4.) KR94
5.) RD

The thing about this is I always want to change things. Like wanting to move RV up to second in sx for me. Thanks for putting your list down, I was thinking about scrapping this because I thought maybe no one would want to list riders, but you did so I will leave it.

Hans Francis

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4/18/2017 10:58 PM

SX

1.) Mc
2.) RC
3) RV
4.) RD
5)JS7
6)RJ

MX

1.) RC
2.) RD
3.) JS7
4.) RV
5.) JW
6) JS

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4/18/2017 11:12 PM

I'll go fives because ten takes too much thought

SX
1. RV
2. JS7
3. RC
4. CR (22)
5. RD

MX
1. RC
2. RV
3. RD
4. JS7
5. ET (I was at Glen Helen 15 bro, you had to be there)



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4/18/2017 11:14 PM
Edited Date/Time: 4/18/2017 11:15 PM

MX (from 98 onwards)

1st RC
2nd Everts
3rd RV
4th Cairoli
5th Stewart
6th Roczen
7th Dungey
8th Gaiser
9th Tortelli
10th Smets

If those 10 were racing a series that took place on tracks all around the world, that's what my bet slip would look like.

Maybe I'd swap 4th & 5th. It's tight. Any of those 10 could beat the other on their day I think. Reed and Townly probably make up 11th and 12th. And it won't be long until Herlings is on that list.

I think a better top 10 list would be, especially after Sunday's ride by Cairoli, best rides of all time.

Like RC at Millville, Everts at the 06 mxdn, Stewart at Budds Creak or Tortelli at the 99 glen helen national etc.

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4/18/2017 11:34 PM

MX Guy wrote:

I'll go fives because ten takes too much thought

SX
1. RV
2. JS7
3. RC
4. CR (22)
5. RD

MX
1. RC
2. RV
3. RD
4. JS7
5. ET (I was at Glen Helen 15 bro, you had to be there)

Hoping you forgot MC as #1 in SX.

Go Hawks!

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4/19/2017 3:48 AM

1-forty-8 wrote:

MX (from 98 onwards)

1st RC
2nd Everts
3rd RV
4th Cairoli
5th Stewart
6th Roczen
7th Dungey
8th Gaiser
9th Tortelli
10th Smets

If those 10 were racing a series that took place on tracks all around the world, that's what my bet slip would look like.

Maybe I'd swap 4th & 5th. It's tight. Any of those 10 could beat the other on their day I think. Reed and Townly probably make up 11th and 12th. And it won't be long until Herlings is on that list.

I think a better top 10 list would be, especially after Sunday's ride by Cairoli, best rides of all time.

Like RC at Millville, Everts at the 06 mxdn, Stewart at Budds Creak or Tortelli at the 99 glen helen national etc.

I was doing just the American MX, sx, scene, but if I was going to add all, I would definitely move Stefan Everts to second in moto, and Cairoli would be in there with RV and RD. Also, with adding his mxgp run with his American tour I would consider Jean Michel Bayle as well.

Hans Francis

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4/19/2017 5:35 AM

SX:
1. McGrath
2. Carmichael
3. Villopoto
4. Dungey
5. Johnson
6. Stanton
7. Stewart
8. Ward
MX:
1. Carmichael
2. Villopoto
3. Dungey
4. Stewart
5. McGrath
6. Johnson
7. Stanton
8. Ward

Villopoto could have been even better as awesome as he was
McGrath is the most underrated outdoor rider ever, he has more wins than Villopoto.

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4/19/2017 7:55 AM

MX Guy wrote:

I'll go fives because ten takes too much thought

SX
1. RV
2. JS7
3. RC
4. CR (22)
5. RD

MX
1. RC
2. RV
3. RD
4. JS7
5. ET (I was at Glen Helen 15 bro, you had to be there)

mx510 wrote:

Hoping you forgot MC as #1 in SX.

Ehhhhhhhh we can differ on this one, no one really touched him man. MC was out there by himself pretty much every weekend, no one even came remotely close.



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4/19/2017 8:03 AM
Edited Date/Time: 4/19/2017 8:07 AM

MX Guy wrote:

I'll go fives because ten takes too much thought

SX
1. RV
2. JS7
3. RC
4. CR (22)
5. RD

MX
1. RC
2. RV
3. RD
4. JS7
5. ET (I was at Glen Helen 15 bro, you had to be there)

mx510 wrote:

Hoping you forgot MC as #1 in SX.

MX Guy wrote:

Ehhhhhhhh we can differ on this one, no one really touched him man. MC was out there by himself pretty much every weekend, no one even came remotely close.

Wait, so because MC was so much better than everyone else, you aren't putting him in the top 5?

He beat Stanton, Bradshaw, Emig, Big Bird, Lamson, Swink, Lusk, RC, DV, Button, Ferry, Larocco, Kiedrowski, Huffman...do I need to go on?

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4/19/2017 8:06 AM

SX:

1. Jeremy McGrath
2. James Stewart
3. Ricky Carmichael
4. Rick Johnson
5. Ryan Villopoto
6. Bob Hannah
7. Chad Reed
8. Jeff Ward
9. David Bailey
10. Damon Bradshaw

MX:

1. Ricky Carmichael
2. James Stewart
3. Stefan Everts
4. Roger Decoster
5. Bob Hannah
6. Ryan Villopoto
7. Rick Johnson
8. Heikki Mikkola
9. Ryan Dungey
10. Mark Barnett

I'm willing to play around with some of these numbers.

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4/19/2017 8:29 AM

Rc
Everts
Cairoli
Rv
Rd

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4/19/2017 8:33 AM

See, I know that winning titles is more important than races, and race wins are more important than fastest laps, but my list might surprise some folks.

SX
1. J. McGrath - 72 wins speaks volumes.
2. J. Stewart - #2 all-time wins at 50, but man he legitimately had a chance at MC's record.
3. R. Carmichael
4. R. Villopoto
5. J. Ward - I like Ward over Dungey purely because the level of competition faced.
6. R. Dungey
7. B. Hannah
8. C. Reed
9. R. Johnson
10. J. Stanton

Side note. Lots of first names with J or R.


MX
1. R. Carmichael - 102 wins, enough said.
2. J. Stewart - Underachieved, but did things that have still never been duplicated.
3. J. Ward - Dude won on all size bikes, and went 7-0 in MXDN's.
4. R. Dungey
5. R. Villopoto - Like Stew, underachieved for his talent level, but still a total badass.
6. R. Johnson
7. B. Hannah
8. J. Stanton
9. J. Emig
10. E. Tomac

Designer of the PulpMx App. Visuals were me; code was MarxDawg.
Been on the Mercedes as Miss Sx bandwagon for at least 5 years.


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4/19/2017 8:38 AM

SX

McGrath (obvious choice, titles & wins)
Stewart (wins & speed)
Carmichael (titles & tenacity)
Villipoto (see above)
Hannah/Johnson tie (impact on sport & brash attitudes, without their respective injuries might be farther up this list)
Reed (patterned himself after "The King", got titles while racing two of the fiercest SXers we've ever seen)
Stanton (can't argue with three straight)
Bradshaw (Bubba without a title)
Bailey (the little professor would have won multiple titles had he not gotten hurt)
*Jimmy Ellis (Captain Cobalt was an early champ on Can Ams!)



MX

Carmichael (obvious choice, titles & wins & heart, refused to lose and hammered his competition into the dirt)
Villipoto/Hannah/Johnson (I've seen them all in their hay day and they all raced like their lives depended on it)
Stewart (FMFOTP!, imho by far the best 125 two stroke pilot ever)
Dungey/Stanton (very similar MX careers imo, both great in their own way)
Ward (tough as nails, won a title on every size two stroke)
Bailey (so perfect on the bike, again we were robbed of what could have been by his injury)
Bradshaw (just like with SX no titles but Bubba like in speed and aura)
*Gary Jones (the original and first 3 time champ all on different brands)

Special Category
Danny "Magoo" Chandler! (unbelievably spectacular to watch ride, he dropped the mic on the MX world when he won all four motos of the Trophy and Motocross Des Nations in 1982)






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4/19/2017 8:44 AM

This is so easy...

Lyle Swann
Ricky Carmichael
Ryan Dungey
Tony Cairoli
Ryan Villapoto
Jeremy McGrath
Ricky Johnson
Jeff Ward
Jeff Stanton
Tim Gasjer

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4/19/2017 9:19 AM

No way Stewart is anywhere above Cairolli that man deserves all the respect in the world.

As much as I like lots of riders he keeps bringing it year after year and is a threat.

Stewart was the fmotp years ago and could be a threat for random wins but since suspensions he isn't a top ten guy anymore.

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4/19/2017 9:48 AM

1. Carmichael
2. McGrath
3. Cairoli
4. Everts
5. Villopoto
6. Stewart
7. Johnson
8. Dungey
9. Stanton
10. Reed

Born in Corona, living in East TN.

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4/19/2017 12:06 PM

What if you took the bias out of it and assigned values to achievements.
such as:
nat. titles
sx titles
reg. sx titles
nat. wins
sx wins
reg. sx wins

You could also add in off season races or GP titles / wins, win percentages, etc...
Once you figured out the criteria for ranking and what value to assign each... you'd
get a pretty good idea on un-bias rankings. I'm sure racerx or someone has done it
already.

Here's a quick one I made as an example:



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4/19/2017 12:30 PM

twotwosix wrote:

1. Carmichael
2. McGrath
3. Cairoli
4. Everts
5. Villopoto
6. Stewart
7. Johnson
8. Dungey
9. Stanton
10. Reed

how can you put Cairoli ahead of Everts

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4/19/2017 12:47 PM

250/450 supercross & motocross combined. my top five based on wins and championships

1. RC 124 wins 12x champion
2. MC 87 wins 8x champion
3. RD 72 wins 6x champion
4. RV 53 wins 6x champion
5. JS7 70 wins 3x champion

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4/19/2017 12:49 PM

Dougie-D-768 wrote:

Supercross top 10.

1.) Jeremy McGrath: King of the modern way of how to skillfully race modern obstacles.
2.) James Stewart: No one has ever gone faster. Just too inconsistent over his whole career.
3.) Ryan Villopoto: Thought about RC here but I truly believe RV was slightly better.
4.) Ricky Carmichael: Greatest overall rider ever.
5.) Ryan Dungey: Thought about Chad but Ryan has more titles and has had deeper pool of competition.
6.) Chad Reed: I could see him as high as 3rd but only 2 titles and those were not very strong fields.
7.) Ricky Johnson: The predecessor to McGrath in SX skill. Was first rider I recall to consistently skim whoops.
8.) Jeff Ward: Hannah could be here but Wardy was Johnsons main threat for the longest time.
9.) Bob Hannah: 3 titles and the heart of a Lion.
10.) Jeff Stanton: The true Diesel.



Motocross all time top 10



1.) Ricky Carmichael: 102 wins outdoors.
2.) James Stewart: 48 wins outdoors and the most in the lites class.
3.) Ryan Dungey: 46 wins outdoors and 4 titles.
4.) Ryan Villopoto: 31 wins outdoors and 5 titles. If he would've had a little stronger 450 MX career he would be 2nd.
5.) Ricky Johnson: Could have been higher but for that broken navicular bone.
6.) Jeff Ward: Titles on 125, 250, and 500.
7.) Jeff Emig: 29 wins outdoors and 3 titles. At his best I think he could hang with RC outdoors.
8.) Broc Glover: the golden boy rode the 500 to many wins.
9.) Jeff Stanton: got er done!
10.) David Bailey: Had to put him on here some where. He was amazing to watch and just didn't get to show us long enough!

No Bayle?
Your list is invalid.

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4/19/2017 12:53 PM

cbarber wrote:

250/450 supercross & motocross combined. my top five based on wins and championships

1. RC 124 wins 12x champion
2. MC 87 wins 8x champion
3. RD 72 wins 6x champion
4. RV 53 wins 6x champion
5. JS7 70 wins 3x champion

Pretty good list there, I would swap RV. Up in front of Rd. He has more titles,. Mxdn wins, gp win.

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4/19/2017 1:15 PM

Dougie-D-768 wrote:

Supercross top 10.

1.) Jeremy McGrath: King of the modern way of how to skillfully race modern obstacles.
2.) James Stewart: No one has ever gone faster. Just too inconsistent over his whole career.
3.) Ryan Villopoto: Thought about RC here but I truly believe RV was slightly better.
4.) Ricky Carmichael: Greatest overall rider ever.
5.) Ryan Dungey: Thought about Chad but Ryan has more titles and has had deeper pool of competition.
6.) Chad Reed: I could see him as high as 3rd but only 2 titles and those were not very strong fields.
7.) Ricky Johnson: The predecessor to McGrath in SX skill. Was first rider I recall to consistently skim whoops.
8.) Jeff Ward: Hannah could be here but Wardy was Johnsons main threat for the longest time.
9.) Bob Hannah: 3 titles and the heart of a Lion.
10.) Jeff Stanton: The true Diesel.



Motocross all time top 10



1.) Ricky Carmichael: 102 wins outdoors.
2.) James Stewart: 48 wins outdoors and the most in the lites class.
3.) Ryan Dungey: 46 wins outdoors and 4 titles.
4.) Ryan Villopoto: 31 wins outdoors and 5 titles. If he would've had a little stronger 450 MX career he would be 2nd.
5.) Ricky Johnson: Could have been higher but for that broken navicular bone.
6.) Jeff Ward: Titles on 125, 250, and 500.
7.) Jeff Emig: 29 wins outdoors and 3 titles. At his best I think he could hang with RC outdoors.
8.) Broc Glover: the golden boy rode the 500 to many wins.
9.) Jeff Stanton: got er done!
10.) David Bailey: Had to put him on here some where. He was amazing to watch and just didn't get to show us long enough!

Firefly47 wrote:

No Bayle?
Your list is invalid.

I was basically doing just the American scene but overall, if I was including all, with JMBs mxgp reign along with his American tour, then I would have to include him for sure.

Hans Francis

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4/19/2017 1:15 PM

visser62 wrote:

Wait, so because MC was so much better than everyone else, you aren't putting him in the top 5?

He beat Stanton, Bradshaw, Emig, Big Bird, Lamson, Swink, Lusk, RC, DV, Button, Ferry, Larocco, Kiedrowski, Huffman...do I need to go on?

Feel free to disagree



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4/19/2017 1:53 PM

Dougie-D-768 wrote:

Supercross top 10.

1.) Jeremy McGrath: King of the modern way of how to skillfully race modern obstacles.
2.) James Stewart: No one has ever gone faster. Just too inconsistent over his whole career.
3.) Ryan Villopoto: Thought about RC here but I truly believe RV was slightly better.
4.) Ricky Carmichael: Greatest overall rider ever.
5.) Ryan Dungey: Thought about Chad but Ryan has more titles and has had deeper pool of competition.
6.) Chad Reed: I could see him as high as 3rd but only 2 titles and those were not very strong fields.
7.) Ricky Johnson: The predecessor to McGrath in SX skill. Was first rider I recall to consistently skim whoops.
8.) Jeff Ward: Hannah could be here but Wardy was Johnsons main threat for the longest time.
9.) Bob Hannah: 3 titles and the heart of a Lion.
10.) Jeff Stanton: The true Diesel.



Motocross all time top 10



1.) Ricky Carmichael: 102 wins outdoors.
2.) James Stewart: 48 wins outdoors and the most in the lites class.
3.) Ryan Dungey: 46 wins outdoors and 4 titles.
4.) Ryan Villopoto: 31 wins outdoors and 5 titles. If he would've had a little stronger 450 MX career he would be 2nd.
5.) Ricky Johnson: Could have been higher but for that broken navicular bone.
6.) Jeff Ward: Titles on 125, 250, and 500.
7.) Jeff Emig: 29 wins outdoors and 3 titles. At his best I think he could hang with RC outdoors.
8.) Broc Glover: the golden boy rode the 500 to many wins.
9.) Jeff Stanton: got er done!
10.) David Bailey: Had to put him on here some where. He was amazing to watch and just didn't get to show us long enough!

Firefly47 wrote:

No Bayle?
Your list is invalid.

Dougie-D-768 wrote:

I was basically doing just the American scene but overall, if I was including all, with JMBs mxgp reign along with his American tour, then I would have to include him for sure.

this to show how biased this lists really are....
you put chad reed on your sx list, and i agree !!! besides the fact that he too is not american and did start his international carrear in mxgp. Maybe its because he is from australia and made america his home.....
but to call "his american tour" to what JMB accomplished in AMA racing i think is close to insulting......
he came in from france, won every thing that could be won sx/mx, proved that americans were not unbeatable, fought alone against a nation that didn't like the idea of his victory. And did beat them all on their backyard
i don't care where they were born, i care for skill and hart and JMB was one of the best ever to race AMA mx/sx just for what he showed every time he went behind the gate. but to consider CR22 for just the american scene and leave out the JMB "tour" really shows where this is going at........
JMB is the most underrated sx/mx champion on this site......no wonder why !!!!!!!

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4/19/2017 2:02 PM

brimx153 wrote:

how can you put Cairoli ahead of Everts

I do as well.

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4/19/2017 2:19 PM

Firefly47 wrote:

No Bayle?
Your list is invalid.

Dougie-D-768 wrote:

I was basically doing just the American scene but overall, if I was including all, with JMBs mxgp reign along with his American tour, then I would have to include him for sure.

rileymx wrote:

this to show how biased this lists really are....
you put chad reed on your sx list, and i agree !!! besides the fact that he too is not american and did start his international carrear in mxgp. Maybe its because he is from australia and made america his home.....
but to call "his american tour" to what JMB accomplished in AMA racing i think is close to insulting......
he came in from france, won every thing that could be won sx/mx, proved that americans were not unbeatable, fought alone against a nation that didn't like the idea of his victory. And did beat them all on their backyard
i don't care where they were born, i care for skill and hart and JMB was one of the best ever to race AMA mx/sx just for what he showed every time he went behind the gate. but to consider CR22 for just the american scene and leave out the JMB "tour" really shows where this is going at........
JMB is the most underrated sx/mx champion on this site......no wonder why !!!!!!!

I am sorry to have upset you. I wasn't including JMB, because as great as he was his American career was just a few years where he won 1 sx title and 2 MX titles. If I was including what he did in Europe then he would have been on my list, as would Everts, Cairoli and likely others. I don't know as much about mxgp and didn't watch it growing up like here in America with MX and sx.I'm not claiming that my list is scientifically correct, its just something that I thought would be fun to talk about. I think JMB was amazing the years that he raced here and if he wouldn't have left so soon I think he would have been trouble for McGrath in '93 when Mc started his kingdom .

Hans Francis

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4/19/2017 2:43 PM

rc4187 wrote:

What if you took the bias out of it and assigned values to achievements.
such as:
nat. titles
sx titles
reg. sx titles
nat. wins
sx wins
reg. sx wins

You could also add in off season races or GP titles / wins, win percentages, etc...
Once you figured out the criteria for ranking and what value to assign each... you'd
get a pretty good idea on un-bias rankings. I'm sure racerx or someone has done it
already.

Here's a quick one I made as an example:



I like this. I have angered some with my lists and I should have disclosed my prarmeters, such as including only what was done in America. Not because I don't think the Mxgp is great I do, its just that I haven't watched enough of it to know except for Everts, Cairoli and a few others. I like your grading system though and may rework a list using that system.

Hans Francis

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4/19/2017 2:50 PM

Dougie-D-768 wrote:

I am sorry to have upset you. I wasn't including JMB, because as great as he was his American career was just a few years where he won 1 sx title and 2 MX titles. If I was including what he did in Europe then he would have been on my list, as would Everts, Cairoli and likely others. I don't know as much about mxgp and didn't watch it growing up like here in America with MX and sx.I'm not claiming that my list is scientifically correct, its just something that I thought would be fun to talk about. I think JMB was amazing the years that he raced here and if he wouldn't have left so soon I think he would have been trouble for McGrath in '93 when Mc started his kingdom .

don't get me wrong, i don't get upset by forum post......
he went to race in america after being 125 and 250 world champion, in a time when americans were the great and it was said that were unbeatable at home and the gods of super cross, no one would even dare to try what he did, and it toke i think 2/3 year to get to where he wanted, 250mx one year, 250 sx and 500mx the next (if i remember well, not really sure)......
them went along to be factory yamaha for top class motogp and them world champion of endurance racing (24h races) with suzuki, even raced enduro competitively in french national...there is a video of him in a cr250 i think where he races a toboggan in a ice toboggan course.....check youtube...
as i sayed i`m not upset, i just think JMB deserves a lot more respect for the racer he was, and specially for his constant seek of challenges on moto racing, that even made him come back to sx with RogerD after all the road racing thing...
so if your list was of americans i would be quiet as usual here.....but since you put CR22 on your list, i think there is no reason not to put JMB since he is probably the most gifted human to ride 2 wheels that we know !!!!!!!