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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 1:26am
Looks like Cooper Webb put it to AC today in the first moto......Nice Job mini coop
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Yeah I just noticed that. Cooper has been on fire this year on that 4 stroke.

I also noticed like always at NMA races there are Novices running top 5-10 A class lap times..lol One of these days NMA will do something about sand baggers.

Here's a link to the results and live timing for those that need it. Hell of a turn out this year. A few classes I noticed are running 4 divisions.

http://ponca2010.tracksideresults.com/index.asp
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7/27/2010 7:14pm
AC had the lead and Cooper was right behind him.. AC went down but kept it running and Webb got by him. AC couldn't pass him but Webb couldn't pull anything on him either. It was a good race. Not for sure if Webb would have got him if AC hadn't gone down but that is racing. There is a lot of fast kids coming up on 85s!
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7/27/2010 11:04pm
Yeah I just noticed that. Cooper has been on fire this year on that 4 stroke. I also noticed like always at NMA races there are...
Yeah I just noticed that. Cooper has been on fire this year on that 4 stroke.

I also noticed like always at NMA races there are Novices running top 5-10 A class lap times..lol One of these days NMA will do something about sand baggers.

Here's a link to the results and live timing for those that need it. Hell of a turn out this year. A few classes I noticed are running 4 divisions.

http://ponca2010.tracksideresults.com/index.asp
So....you're saying sandbagging only occurs in NMA races?
Also, define sandbagging.
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7/27/2010 11:48pm
People who complain about sandbaggers are people who are getting beat!

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7/28/2010 4:45am Edited Date/Time 7/28/2010 4:51am
Ddavis wrote:
People who complain about sandbaggers are people who are getting beat!
Not really.

And yes, It was good to see Cooper get the win.
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7/28/2010 5:29am
Ddavis wrote:
People who complain about sandbaggers are people who are getting beat!
You're literally too stupid to insult.
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7/28/2010 7:11am
Ddavis wrote:
People who complain about sandbaggers are people who are getting beat!
You're literally too stupid to insult.
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Looking at the Lap times this is how it breaks down.

250 stk novice had four divisions 136 entries. This is the fastest lap for the rider who won the division. Div 1 -1:44, Div 2 - 1:40, Div 3 1:41, Div 4 1:44 Based on these fast laps which only happend one lap and then times fell off greatly the 1:44 would put them in 17th spot in the B class and the 1:41 would be 8th and the 1:41 would put this guy in 9th. Again this is only on one lap mind you.

If you look at the 250 Stk B 82 entries the divisions they had went like this. Div 1 - 1:33, Div 2 1:34, Div 3 1:40.

Now if you look at the 250 A class 24 entries the fast lap for the winner of the one class was 1:35.

Cooper Webb and Adam Cianciarulo are running 1:41 times on super minis and the 150. Maybe they should run those in the A class also?

What does this really tell us? Don't really know other than maybe the top B riders can and do have faster lap times than some of if not all the A riders. Also that the top C riders can and do have as fast or faster lap times than some of the A and B riders. And that the top mini riders can and do have faster lap times then some of the A, B, and C riders.
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7/28/2010 9:05am
Ddavis wrote:
People who complain about sandbaggers are people who are getting beat!
Quote from an obvious sandbagger. Hard to get beat by a sandbagger riding the pro classes as it's hard to sandbag inthem, but I still hate them. Nothing more ridiculous than a flat biller bro C class pro acting like he's bad with his $5 piece of plastic for waxing the C class by 25 seconds.

I'd rather get last in a pro class than dominate the C class.
7/28/2010 9:13am
Ddavis wrote:
People who complain about sandbaggers are people who are getting beat!
Quote from an obvious sandbagger. Hard to get beat by a sandbagger riding the pro classes as it's hard to sandbag inthem, but I still hate...
Quote from an obvious sandbagger. Hard to get beat by a sandbagger riding the pro classes as it's hard to sandbag inthem, but I still hate them. Nothing more ridiculous than a flat biller bro C class pro acting like he's bad with his $5 piece of plastic for waxing the C class by 25 seconds.

I'd rather get last in a pro class than dominate the C class.
so if your not a flat biller bro C rider its ok to win the novice class?

I won the novice class at Ponca back in 04, and in no way was I a sandbagger. Kids may be faster then most B riders, but who cares. Its always been that way, where there's 4-5 guys in the C or B class who will be faster.
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If you are winning the novice class, you shouldn't act like a bad ass... period. Instead, you should be working forward to improve.

I guess maybe I just don't get it as I only raced the C class when I would ride my supermini in there and skipped straight to B when I got on big bikes. I was a believer that the C class was for people new to racing. Always made me question why the Am nats don't just have an Amateur and Pro Am class or something.
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7/28/2010 10:02am
I'm here and the Pro class wasn't that impressive to me. They are fast but nobody was setting the world on fire.

In one of the 85 classes Jace Owen led the whole thing over Webb and something happened on the last lap and Webb got by him. The winner pulls over and does an interview and the rest take the exit. Webb went to the podium and Owen followed, ran his bike into him and grabbed his helmet and was yelling at him. Webb stayed cool through the whole thing and I was impressed with that. The Owen kid was drug out of there yelling back at Webb. I heard one of the officials say a lapper got in the way and took Owen's line and there was no contact on the pass.
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If you are winning the novice class, you shouldn't act like a bad ass... period. Instead, you should be working forward to improve. I guess maybe...
If you are winning the novice class, you shouldn't act like a bad ass... period. Instead, you should be working forward to improve.

I guess maybe I just don't get it as I only raced the C class when I would ride my supermini in there and skipped straight to B when I got on big bikes. I was a believer that the C class was for people new to racing. Always made me question why the Am nats don't just have an Amateur and Pro Am class or something.
I agree. After I started racing in the 60 class, I never again signed up for the novice class (well, except for my first enduro, but that's because I had no clue what was going on or what to expect). Once you win the 60 A class, you shouldn't move to the 85C class. You should never again touch the C or novice class.
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7/28/2010 10:24am
Ddavis wrote:
People who complain about sandbaggers are people who are getting beat!
You're literally too stupid to insult.
Now THAT's funny!
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7/28/2010 10:31am Edited Date/Time 7/28/2010 10:41am
ArkMxDad wrote:
Looking at the Lap times this is how it breaks down. 250 stk novice had four divisions 136 entries. This is the fastest lap for the...
Looking at the Lap times this is how it breaks down.

250 stk novice had four divisions 136 entries. This is the fastest lap for the rider who won the division. Div 1 -1:44, Div 2 - 1:40, Div 3 1:41, Div 4 1:44 Based on these fast laps which only happend one lap and then times fell off greatly the 1:44 would put them in 17th spot in the B class and the 1:41 would be 8th and the 1:41 would put this guy in 9th. Again this is only on one lap mind you.

If you look at the 250 Stk B 82 entries the divisions they had went like this. Div 1 - 1:33, Div 2 1:34, Div 3 1:40.

Now if you look at the 250 A class 24 entries the fast lap for the winner of the one class was 1:35.

Cooper Webb and Adam Cianciarulo are running 1:41 times on super minis and the 150. Maybe they should run those in the A class also?

What does this really tell us? Don't really know other than maybe the top B riders can and do have faster lap times than some of if not all the A riders. Also that the top C riders can and do have as fast or faster lap times than some of the A and B riders. And that the top mini riders can and do have faster lap times then some of the A, B, and C riders.
Ponca is famous for sandbagging.
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7/28/2010 10:31am Edited Date/Time 7/28/2010 10:32am
ArkMxDad wrote:
Looking at the Lap times this is how it breaks down. 250 stk novice had four divisions 136 entries. This is the fastest lap for the...
Looking at the Lap times this is how it breaks down.

250 stk novice had four divisions 136 entries. This is the fastest lap for the rider who won the division. Div 1 -1:44, Div 2 - 1:40, Div 3 1:41, Div 4 1:44 Based on these fast laps which only happend one lap and then times fell off greatly the 1:44 would put them in 17th spot in the B class and the 1:41 would be 8th and the 1:41 would put this guy in 9th. Again this is only on one lap mind you.

If you look at the 250 Stk B 82 entries the divisions they had went like this. Div 1 - 1:33, Div 2 1:34, Div 3 1:40.

Now if you look at the 250 A class 24 entries the fast lap for the winner of the one class was 1:35.

Cooper Webb and Adam Cianciarulo are running 1:41 times on super minis and the 150. Maybe they should run those in the A class also?

What does this really tell us? Don't really know other than maybe the top B riders can and do have faster lap times than some of if not all the A riders. Also that the top C riders can and do have as fast or faster lap times than some of the A and B riders. And that the top mini riders can and do have faster lap times then some of the A, B, and C riders.
Jesus this site has a rag in the airbox.
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7/28/2010 10:31am Edited Date/Time 7/28/2010 10:32am
ArkMxDad wrote:
Looking at the Lap times this is how it breaks down. 250 stk novice had four divisions 136 entries. This is the fastest lap for the...
Looking at the Lap times this is how it breaks down.

250 stk novice had four divisions 136 entries. This is the fastest lap for the rider who won the division. Div 1 -1:44, Div 2 - 1:40, Div 3 1:41, Div 4 1:44 Based on these fast laps which only happend one lap and then times fell off greatly the 1:44 would put them in 17th spot in the B class and the 1:41 would be 8th and the 1:41 would put this guy in 9th. Again this is only on one lap mind you.

If you look at the 250 Stk B 82 entries the divisions they had went like this. Div 1 - 1:33, Div 2 1:34, Div 3 1:40.

Now if you look at the 250 A class 24 entries the fast lap for the winner of the one class was 1:35.

Cooper Webb and Adam Cianciarulo are running 1:41 times on super minis and the 150. Maybe they should run those in the A class also?

What does this really tell us? Don't really know other than maybe the top B riders can and do have faster lap times than some of if not all the A riders. Also that the top C riders can and do have as fast or faster lap times than some of the A and B riders. And that the top mini riders can and do have faster lap times then some of the A, B, and C riders.
Pffftttt.
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If you are winning the novice class, you shouldn't act like a bad ass... period. Instead, you should be working forward to improve. I guess maybe...
If you are winning the novice class, you shouldn't act like a bad ass... period. Instead, you should be working forward to improve.

I guess maybe I just don't get it as I only raced the C class when I would ride my supermini in there and skipped straight to B when I got on big bikes. I was a believer that the C class was for people new to racing. Always made me question why the Am nats don't just have an Amateur and Pro Am class or something.
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7/28/2010 10:41am Edited Date/Time 7/28/2010 10:43am
The reason I brought up sandbagging was because I watching watching Ponca live timing yesterday. In the 250 A class the leader Anderson was running 1:36. 5th in A was running 1:39 to 1:42. 6th place had a best lap of 1:41. And guys like Justin Starling had fast laps of 1:42



Then two motos later on a rougher track the 250 Nov ( C) class took off. A kid grabs the wholly then crashes back to 7th.. While coming through the pack he was running 1;44-45's . Then on like lap 5 or 6 with a clear track the kid runs a 1:41 which was as fast as 5th place in A and faster then 6th place or worse in A class.. Now come on guys. That's just stupid. He's faster then 85% of the A riders at a NMA national. Which makes him faster the 95% of local pros all over the country..lol



Then in the next 250 nov heat the leader is running 1:40's..lol and 2nd is running 1:41's which puts them voth in the top 10 in A. Granted top 4 A riders were all running 1:35-to 1:39


That's my definition of sandbagging....
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7/28/2010 10:48am Edited Date/Time 7/28/2010 10:52am
That's why I like the way AC does it. He does the opposite of sandbagging. Right now at Ponca he's running two 13 yr old classes. Every other class he's running puts him up against 16 yr olds. That's how you get faster. Race the kids you're not supposed to beat. Not that it matters w/him since there's only one kid of any mini age that can give him a real race and that's web who is at least 15 but I think he may be 16( ? ) .



Here's AC's classes
85/150 Mod 12-13 #92 KAW
85/150 Open Thru 16 #92 KAW
Supermini Thru 13 #92 KAW
SuperMini Thru 16 #92 KAW

AC is 21 seconds ahead of 2nd place on lap 5 of the 12-13 class as i type right now...lol
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7/28/2010 10:53am Edited Date/Time 7/28/2010 11:20am
Jake Pinhancos ran 1:45 lap times in the 65cc 9-11 stock class. That would put him 13th in the 450A stk on a 65cc!!...The track changes moto to moto and they prep it so you really cant look too much into lap times. Webb is 14. http://www.skullcandy.com/...oto/cooper-webb.html
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txrider44 wrote:
Jake Pinhancos ran 1:45 lap times in the 65cc 9-11 stock class. That would put him 13th in the 450A stk on a 65cc!!...The track changes...
Jake Pinhancos ran 1:45 lap times in the 65cc 9-11 stock class. That would put him 13th in the 450A stk on a 65cc!!...The track changes moto to moto and they prep it so you really cant look too much into lap times. Webb is 14. http://www.skullcandy.com/...oto/cooper-webb.html
tx rider... different day so the track probably is different.. The comparisons I was drawing were only motos apart.
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txrider44 wrote:
Jake Pinhancos ran 1:45 lap times in the 65cc 9-11 stock class. That would put him 13th in the 450A stk on a 65cc!!...The track changes...
Jake Pinhancos ran 1:45 lap times in the 65cc 9-11 stock class. That would put him 13th in the 450A stk on a 65cc!!...The track changes moto to moto and they prep it so you really cant look too much into lap times. Webb is 14. http://www.skullcandy.com/...oto/cooper-webb.html
tx rider... different day so the track probably is different.. The comparisons I was drawing were only motos apart.
Do you know if they prepped it between the motos?
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txrider44 wrote:
Jake Pinhancos ran 1:45 lap times in the 65cc 9-11 stock class. That would put him 13th in the 450A stk on a 65cc!!...The track changes...
Jake Pinhancos ran 1:45 lap times in the 65cc 9-11 stock class. That would put him 13th in the 450A stk on a 65cc!!...The track changes moto to moto and they prep it so you really cant look too much into lap times. Webb is 14. http://www.skullcandy.com/...oto/cooper-webb.html
tx rider... different day so the track probably is different.. The comparisons I was drawing were only motos apart.
txrider44 wrote:
Do you know if they prepped it between the motos?
I would think they didn't just from the timing of when the moto before ended and the next moto begun. I'm not there though. I wish I was because that track has always been pretty cool.
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7/28/2010 11:29am
Ddavis wrote:
People who complain about sandbaggers are people who are getting beat!
Quote from an obvious sandbagger. Hard to get beat by a sandbagger riding the pro classes as it's hard to sandbag inthem, but I still hate...
Quote from an obvious sandbagger. Hard to get beat by a sandbagger riding the pro classes as it's hard to sandbag inthem, but I still hate them. Nothing more ridiculous than a flat biller bro C class pro acting like he's bad with his $5 piece of plastic for waxing the C class by 25 seconds.

I'd rather get last in a pro class than dominate the C class.
har,good one.

flat bill made me laugh
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7/28/2010 11:40am Edited Date/Time 7/28/2010 11:45am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5B1i7ooU0E I really think some people just do not have any idea what goes on in the am nationals. To compare any of the top am riders to the kid out of a truck with mom and dad isn't fair. You have this 13 / 14 year old with the backing of Pro Circuit? Who is really sandbagging?
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a sandbager is like dr d or emig or the bomber(on a full rh250 that is a full works bike in 87ish for you young perkernecks) at the AMATUER nationals.

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