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motomike137

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5/27/2011 7:32 AM

There should be a small bonus for being on the overall podium... say 1st 3pts... 2nd 2pts... 3rd 1pt

would add some extra incentive in the second moto and help make sense of the overall/ per moto possible discrepancies to the casual observer don't ya thinK?

ATKpilot99

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5/27/2011 7:34 AM

That would just confuse Blake Baggett even more.

500guy

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5/27/2011 7:37 AM

I think they should give points back to 40th too even if everyone from 20th - 30th got 2 points and 30th-40th got 1 point.

not sure your system would separate the leaders even more then they are now or make it closer.

I would be willing to let the AMA pay me to do a study on it.

motomike137

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5/27/2011 7:40 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/27/2011 7:40 AM

or... they find a sponsor willing to put up some serious bucks for the overall!

otherwise it is hard to explain to friends who haven't grown up with the sport why the overall matters

bents

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5/27/2011 8:50 AM

I like the old GP points system: 1 pt for 1st, 2 pts for 2nd, etc right through to 40th. Lowest pt total at the end of the year is the winner.

"We are the architects of our own fate." Muhammad Yunus

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5/27/2011 8:55 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/27/2011 8:57 AM

motomike137 wrote: There should be a small bonus for being on the overall podium... say 1st 3pts... 2nd 2pts... 3rd 1pt

would add some extra incentive in the second moto and help make sense of the overall/ per moto possible discrepancies to the casual observer don't ya thinK?

They should just do the original way of mx points... lowest points win and 2nd moto breaks a tie, then give points accordingly:

1st over all 41
2nd 38
3rd 36
4th 34
5rh 32
6th 31
7th 30 all the way to 40th, with 2 points being the smallest amount you can make.

S

PS also what he said ^^^^^^^ about GP points not the lowest amount.

motomike137

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5/27/2011 9:25 AM
Edited Date/Time: 5/27/2011 9:27 AM

motomike137 wrote: There should be a small bonus for being on the overall podium... say 1st 3pts... 2nd 2pts... 3rd 1pt

would add some extra incentive in the second moto and help make sense of the overall/ per moto possible discrepancies to the casual observer don't ya thinK?

Sondy132001 wrote: They should just do the original way of mx points... lowest points win and 2nd moto breaks a tie, then give points accordingly:

1st over all 41
2nd 38
3rd 36
4th 34
5rh 32
6th 31
7th 30 all the way to 40th, with 2 points being the smallest amount you can make.

S

PS also what he said ^^^^^^^ about GP points not the lowest amount.

Did AMA Nats ever score the season on low score? I remember when they changed from awarding based on overall to per moto but I thought it was still a system where you got the highest number of points for a win.

doooh!... didn't read your post completely Sondy! lol!

I think they changed to the current system for the fans to penalize a rider less for a bad moto/dnf and give incentive to come out in moto 2 for the fans.

BornA'Lil2Slow

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5/27/2011 10:20 AM

500guy wrote: I think they should give points back to 40th too even if everyone from 20th - 30th got 2 points and 30th-40th got 1 point.

not sure your system would separate the leaders even more then they are now or make it closer.

I would be willing to let the AMA pay me to do a study on it.

actually jay, I have bounced some things over to Davey to show him a solution to three issues and one of them was the fact that a guy in 21st place, in the most competitive series (arguably) in the world, got absolutely nada in return. (the two others where purse to get the guys in 40th some bucks, and the main one was practice)

Its actually VERY simple. Instead of 25 for a moto win, 50 for a moto win.
1 = 50
2 = 47
3 = 45
4 = 43
5 = 41
6 = 39
7 = 37
8 = 35
9 = 32
10 = 30
11 = 29
~
20 = 20
21 = 19
~
30 = 10
31 = 9
~
39 = 1
40 = 1 (this is the only annomoly and its 1 point out of 50 total)

From 11th thru 40 1 point difference. done, solved. Mathmatically, it literally is the exact same for the top 20 as it is now, all you did was give.... scratch that, you let them earn what they in the least deserve... the the 21st thru the 40th fastest guys in the USA on that day something for their effort!

I even did a money break down, using the existing amount to pay out thru 40th. Granted the top 5 guys got raped in the purse.... gee, the 10k they got in bonus, how will they live to next week? The winner made 50k, and really needs another 10k meanwhile half your field got absolutely nothing.

How about this, a practice format, so everyone can be on the track, and regardless of weather, or track conditions, have an across the board fair shot. Impossible? nope and can prove it, its the main reason I flew out to meet him.

A person is smart.... A group of people are only as smart as the loudest person in the room!

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5/27/2011 10:26 AM

The least they could do is give someone a point or 5 for the holeshot.

motomike137

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5/27/2011 11:26 AM

aFACEdismembered wrote: The least they could do is give someone a point or 5 for the holeshot.

I like that idea.

BornA'Lil2Slow

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5/27/2011 11:49 AM

I dont like it for 1 reason.... you have ti figure out who got the holeshot! 2 reason actually, some gates are closer or better than others. if you are giving points for something, it should be based on talent and skill, not gate pick.

But I can tell you right now, first hand, why you wont see points for a holeshot and my source is as reliable as you can get in this business and from the top........ because teams want to know, when the checkers fall, exactly what points they got right then without having to wait. They see their guy came across the flag in 8th, then know right then and done. I know, but thats how it is.

A person is smart.... A group of people are only as smart as the loudest person in the room!

TeamGreen

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5/27/2011 12:44 PM

motomike137 wrote: There should be a small bonus for being on the overall podium... say 1st 3pts... 2nd 2pts... 3rd 1pt

would add some extra incentive in the second moto and help make sense of the overall/ per moto possible discrepancies to the casual observer don't ya thinK?

Sondy132001 wrote: They should just do the original way of mx points... lowest points win and 2nd moto breaks a tie, then give points accordingly:

1st over all 41
2nd 38
3rd 36
4th 34
5rh 32
6th 31
7th 30 all the way to 40th, with 2 points being the smallest amount you can make.

S

PS also what he said ^^^^^^^ about GP points not the lowest amount.

If you go back to 40th, you should widen the "Winners Gap" a bit to reward those that actually RUN UP-Front accordingly.

Prolly a 8 point gap to second, 3 point gap back to 5th, 2 point gap to tenth...etc.

This would more fairly reward the Top 10...which is someting we all seem to pay attention to & it would surely put a good premium on a win.

As for the Tie Breaking system: It works already.

1. 60
2. 52
3. 49
4. 46
5. 43
6. 40
7. 38
8. 36
9. 34
10. 32

11. 30
12. 29
13. 28
14. 27
15. 26
16. 25
17. 24
18. 23
19. 22
20. 21
21. 20
22. 19
23. 18
24. 17
25. 16
26. 15
27. 14
28. 13
29. 12
30. 11
31. 10
32. 9
33. 8
34. 7
35. 6
36. 5
37. 4
38. 3
39. 2
40. 1

Dave "Ozzy" Osterman quote..."You finish in the Top Ten -OR- You Don't Eat!"
I heard him say it. He can't deny it.

Sondy132001

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5/27/2011 12:53 PM

motomike137 wrote: There should be a small bonus for being on the overall podium... say 1st 3pts... 2nd 2pts... 3rd 1pt

would add some extra incentive in the second moto and help make sense of the overall/ per moto possible discrepancies to the casual observer don't ya thinK?

Sondy132001 wrote: They should just do the original way of mx points... lowest points win and 2nd moto breaks a tie, then give points accordingly:

1st over all 41
2nd 38
3rd 36
4th 34
5rh 32
6th 31
7th 30 all the way to 40th, with 2 points being the smallest amount you can make.

S

PS also what he said ^^^^^^^ about GP points not the lowest amount.

TeamGreen wrote: If you go back to 40th, you should widen the "Winners Gap" a bit to reward those that actually RUN UP-Front accordingly.

Prolly a 8 point gap to second, 3 point gap back to 5th, 2 point gap to tenth...etc.

This would more fairly reward the Top 10...which is someting we all seem to pay attention to & it would surely put a good premium on a win.

As for the Tie Breaking system: It works already.

1. 60
2. 52
3. 49
4. 46
5. 43
6. 40
7. 38
8. 36
9. 34
10. 32

11. 30
12. 29
13. 28
14. 27
15. 26
16. 25
17. 24
18. 23
19. 22
20. 21
21. 20
22. 19
23. 18
24. 17
25. 16
26. 15
27. 14
28. 13
29. 12
30. 11
31. 10
32. 9
33. 8
34. 7
35. 6
36. 5
37. 4
38. 3
39. 2
40. 1

I hear ya Manny, but if you really look at the numbers, end of the series numbers...20th-40th, do they really do all 12 Nationals ?? NO the top 10-20 are going to have premium amounts of points, do we have an example of the overall points from last year 450, I want to see how many guy were really "in it" for the points (championship)...Lot's of local dudes to the area, or say west coast guys racing west coast nationals and east coast guys to east coast nationals, not a huge motive to go hit another race with no points incentives.

S

CR250Rider

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5/27/2011 1:02 PM

Leave it alone.

It's not that horrible now, tradition and history are important !

in a past life, I was myself

when opportunity knocked, it waited because I was busy

I gave my father a talking to

TeamGreen

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5/27/2011 3:10 PM

CR250Rider wrote: Leave it alone.

It's not that horrible now, tradition and history are important !

The History & Tradition approach is a thin veil...

Anyone that makes the cut week in and week out should get something for it.

Since we've gone to a Lap-Time Qualifying System...it's become even harder to make the cut.

Dave "Ozzy" Osterman quote..."You finish in the Top Ten -OR- You Don't Eat!"
I heard him say it. He can't deny it.

raddad

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5/27/2011 3:57 PM

I've also written to Davey and posted here asking why not give a point for the overall? It would solve the red plate issue and as the original poster said it would give a great incentive to get the overall. Also i would simply use the system that all AMA tracks use locally, makes soooo much more sense!

dont screw with me, i am old and feeling grumpy..

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