Performance Enhancing Drugs

SuperMario wrote:

I'd bet dollars to donuts that this topic gets removed in due time, as the last thing this little clique of an industry wants is the...

I'd bet dollars to donuts that this topic gets removed in due time, as the last thing this little clique of an industry wants is the fact that the racers are using PED's to become public.

Anyone recall what happened when Super Hunky wrote the "Rolling Stoned" article in Modern Cycle back in the mid 70's about racers using recreational drugs and racing?

Sunhouse wrote:

I like this topic. I understand you don´t want to name anyone, BUT could you tell us what types of PED´s were talking here? What do...

I like this topic. I understand you don´t want to name anyone, BUT could you tell us what types of PED´s were talking here? What do the riders use to get an advantage?

motoxxx599 wrote:

If our sport doesn't test for them, what would stop a rider from doing them? There are millions of dollars on the line, so if they...

If our sport doesn't test for them, what would stop a rider from doing them? There are millions of dollars on the line, so if they don't test, why not use them for getting an "edge"? There has been rumors for years in our sport of alleged use. So whose to say that half of the top 20 would have to drastically change their training regiment if testing was implemented? I know its expensive to test, but if we are a "real sport", then why should we not play by real sport rules?

HatersSuck wrote:

Performance enhancing drugs don't help you in this sport. Taking a drug can't help you get better starts, pick lines or corner faster.

UpTiTe wrote:

If riders were doping they would take Anabolic steroids in the off season to build strength and endurance. Then doing cycles HGH throughout the year for...

If riders were doping they would take Anabolic steroids in the off season to build strength and endurance. Then doing cycles HGH throughout the year for fast recovery time raising your ability to workout harder longer, it also helps recovery time from injuries. I imagine if they doped they would take EPO or ep-no to that raise their anaerobic threashold.

Anabolic steroids are clearly illegal, but can be mask with the knowledge of a good trainer. HGH, the drug of choice is not tested for in AMA competition. I believe EPOs are illegal, but now they have Ep-No which is basically the same thing but is yet to be on any ban list.

This is all just a guess because we all know factory riders will titles and millions at stake don't dope

Sunhouse wrote:

I like this topic. I understand you don´t want to name anyone, BUT could you tell us what types of PED´s were talking here? What do...

I like this topic. I understand you don´t want to name anyone, BUT could you tell us what types of PED´s were talking here? What do the riders use to get an advantage?

UpTiTe wrote:

If riders were doping they would take Anabolic steroids in the off season to build strength and endurance. Then doing cycles HGH throughout the year for...

If riders were doping they would take Anabolic steroids in the off season to build strength and endurance. Then doing cycles HGH throughout the year for fast recovery time raising your ability to workout harder longer, it also helps recovery time from injuries. I imagine if they doped they would take EPO or ep-no to that raise their anaerobic threashold.

Anabolic steroids are clearly illegal, but can be mask with the knowledge of a good trainer. HGH, the drug of choice is not tested for in AMA competition. I believe EPOs are illegal, but now they have Ep-No which is basically the same thing but is yet to be on any ban list.

This is all just a guess because we all know factory riders will titles and millions at stake don't dope

Sunhouse wrote:

I don´t think anabolic steroids would help for mx. The steroids and the increase in cascularity and/ or (depending on the compound) water retention means you...

I don´t think anabolic steroids would help for mx. The steroids and the increase in cascularity and/ or (depending on the compound) water retention means you can´t ride more than a couple of laps before your arms are too pumped up. And riders ride A LOT during the off season

SuperMario wrote:

I'd bet dollars to donuts that this topic gets removed in due time, as the last thing this little clique of an industry wants is the...

I'd bet dollars to donuts that this topic gets removed in due time, as the last thing this little clique of an industry wants is the fact that the racers are using PED's to become public.

Anyone recall what happened when Super Hunky wrote the "Rolling Stoned" article in Modern Cycle back in the mid 70's about racers using recreational drugs and racing?

mom241 wrote:

I don't know what is the most irritating thing on Vital: 2 strokes vs 4 strokes, GP's vs US series, or this whole "this little industry...

I don't know what is the most irritating thing on Vital: 2 strokes vs 4 strokes, GP's vs US series, or this whole "this little industry cliche/MX media keeping secrets" thing.

Of course we're all friends and acquaintances. We all work together, dine together, . . .

Sunhouse wrote:

I don´t think anabolic steroids would help for mx. The steroids and the increase in cascularity and/ or (depending on the compound) water retention means you...

I don´t think anabolic steroids would help for mx. The steroids and the increase in cascularity and/ or (depending on the compound) water retention means you can´t ride more than a couple of laps before your arms are too pumped up. And riders ride A LOT during the off season

motov8tedcre8tor wrote:

My favorite PEDs of choice these days: for her to loosen her up [img]https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_sBL--z_e9C4/TP0PtDJC5sI/AAAAAAAAABA/j2lP5g-MPVE/s1600/jack+daniels.jpg[/img] for both of us to take the edge off [img]http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/ll397/palmundo78/dwingdwang_massive_huge_joint_weed_.jpg[/img] I'm a...

My favorite PEDs of choice these days:

for her to loosen her up


for both of us to take the edge off


I'm a out of shape 53 year old geezer. No further comment necessary.

motoxxx599 wrote:

If our sport doesn't test for them, what would stop a rider from doing them? There are millions of dollars on the line, so if they...

If our sport doesn't test for them, what would stop a rider from doing them? There are millions of dollars on the line, so if they don't test, why not use them for getting an "edge"? There has been rumors for years in our sport of alleged use. So whose to say that half of the top 20 would have to drastically change their training regiment if testing was implemented? I know its expensive to test, but if we are a "real sport", then why should we not play by real sport rules?

HatersSuck wrote:

Performance enhancing drugs don't help you in this sport. Taking a drug can't help you get better starts, pick lines or corner faster.

Nerd wrote:

If they don't test blood, they won't catch anything the guys may be using anyway.

Testing urine is a complete waste of money.

Nerd wrote:

If they don't test blood, they won't catch anything the guys may be using anyway.

Testing urine is a complete waste of money.

UpTiTe wrote:

Nice to see someone understands.

Sunhouse wrote:

I don´t think anabolic steroids would help for mx. The steroids and the increase in cascularity and/ or (depending on the compound) water retention means you...

I don´t think anabolic steroids would help for mx. The steroids and the increase in cascularity and/ or (depending on the compound) water retention means you can´t ride more than a couple of laps before your arms are too pumped up. And riders ride A LOT during the off season

UpTiTe wrote:

Winstrol

Sunhouse wrote:

I don´t think anabolic steroids would help for mx. The steroids and the increase in cascularity and/ or (depending on the compound) water retention means you...

I don´t think anabolic steroids would help for mx. The steroids and the increase in cascularity and/ or (depending on the compound) water retention means you can´t ride more than a couple of laps before your arms are too pumped up. And riders ride A LOT during the off season

UpTiTe wrote:

Winstrol

Sunhouse wrote:

winstrol is one of the dryest compounds you can find. What good would winstrol do for an endurance athlete? Its one of the best compounds for...

winstrol is one of the dryest compounds you can find. What good would winstrol do for an endurance athlete? Its one of the best compounds for raw explosive strength. the pump from it alone would prevent you from doing more than one lap, the joints would feel like sand paper and your cardiovascular system would be crying. Its probably THE worst compound for anything but explosive strength, and it would definitely work not for mx

SMITH201 wrote:

Pingree said a while back that we would be suprised at the names of the riders that use PEDs.

SuperMario wrote:

I'd bet dollars to donuts that this topic gets removed in due time, as the last thing this little clique of an industry wants is the...

I'd bet dollars to donuts that this topic gets removed in due time, as the last thing this little clique of an industry wants is the fact that the racers are using PED's to become public.

Anyone recall what happened when Super Hunky wrote the "Rolling Stoned" article in Modern Cycle back in the mid 70's about racers using recreational drugs and racing?

mom241 wrote:

I don't know what is the most irritating thing on Vital: 2 strokes vs 4 strokes, GP's vs US series, or this whole "this little industry...

I don't know what is the most irritating thing on Vital: 2 strokes vs 4 strokes, GP's vs US series, or this whole "this little industry cliche/MX media keeping secrets" thing.

Of course we're all friends and acquaintances. We all work together, dine together, . . .

SuperMario wrote:

But do you actually like the idea that there are people doing this in order to win if it is true, and what does that really...

But do you actually like the idea that there are people doing this in order to win if it is true, and what does that really say if it is known and covered up by the industry?

There are kids that hold these riders in the highest regards, yet if it turns out that there are some that are cheating through drug use, what message does that send?

Think about it.

UpTiTe wrote:

Winstrol

Sunhouse wrote:

winstrol is one of the dryest compounds you can find. What good would winstrol do for an endurance athlete? Its one of the best compounds for...

winstrol is one of the dryest compounds you can find. What good would winstrol do for an endurance athlete? Its one of the best compounds for raw explosive strength. the pump from it alone would prevent you from doing more than one lap, the joints would feel like sand paper and your cardiovascular system would be crying. Its probably THE worst compound for anything but explosive strength, and it would definitely work not for mx

UpTiTe wrote:

Winstrol is the best endurance steroid, not sure where you get your info. But that's beside the point, you said ALL steroids would be bad for...

Winstrol is the best endurance steroid, not sure where you get your info. But that's beside the point, you said ALL steroids would be bad for riding because they retain water, well winstrol doesn't retain water and its a steroid. When used by itself its not as effective as some, but when used in a stack it offsets water retention that others create.

Sunhouse wrote:

winstrol is one of the dryest compounds you can find. What good would winstrol do for an endurance athlete? Its one of the best compounds for...

winstrol is one of the dryest compounds you can find. What good would winstrol do for an endurance athlete? Its one of the best compounds for raw explosive strength. the pump from it alone would prevent you from doing more than one lap, the joints would feel like sand paper and your cardiovascular system would be crying. Its probably THE worst compound for anything but explosive strength, and it would definitely work not for mx

UpTiTe wrote:

Winstrol is the best endurance steroid, not sure where you get your info. But that's beside the point, you said ALL steroids would be bad for...

Winstrol is the best endurance steroid, not sure where you get your info. But that's beside the point, you said ALL steroids would be bad for riding because they retain water, well winstrol doesn't retain water and its a steroid. When used by itself its not as effective as some, but when used in a stack it offsets water retention that others create.

Sunhouse wrote:

I didn´t say all steroids promoted water retention. I said some promote water retention, while others promote a dry vascular effect, which both are hopeless for...

I didn´t say all steroids promoted water retention. I said some promote water retention, while others promote a dry vascular effect, which both are hopeless for someone trying to hold on to a bike for more than 2 laps. Have you tried to run on winny? You won´t last 5 minutes before your calves are harder than concrete. some user complain about it affecting their cardio too.
But the question remains, why use winstrol for mx? It will shut you down hard too, so as you said it´s not very good on its own, but if you´re stacking it with say a test base, you´ll have the same issues with pump and the shut down, which I think would have a much more negative effect on a pro mx`er as opposed to for example a BB`er.

IMO the only place were steroids would have a positive effect for mx would be to recover from injuries. While healthy I can´t see them having a purpose if you want to practice riding too.

mom241 wrote:

I don't know what is the most irritating thing on Vital: 2 strokes vs 4 strokes, GP's vs US series, or this whole "this little industry...

I don't know what is the most irritating thing on Vital: 2 strokes vs 4 strokes, GP's vs US series, or this whole "this little industry cliche/MX media keeping secrets" thing.

Of course we're all friends and acquaintances. We all work together, dine together, . . .

SuperMario wrote:

But do you actually like the idea that there are people doing this in order to win if it is true, and what does that really...

But do you actually like the idea that there are people doing this in order to win if it is true, and what does that really say if it is known and covered up by the industry?

There are kids that hold these riders in the highest regards, yet if it turns out that there are some that are cheating through drug use, what message does that send?

Think about it.

mom241 wrote:

Of course I don't like it. But what does it say if Trey (or anyone else) wins without it. What I CAN tell you is that...

Of course I don't like it. But what does it say if Trey (or anyone else) wins without it.

What I CAN tell you is that if anyone at Honda found out (and I mean people I know, not in the past) that Trey or Layton was doing anything illegal, they would be dismissed from the team.

UpTiTe wrote:

Winstrol is the best endurance steroid, not sure where you get your info. But that's beside the point, you said ALL steroids would be bad for...

Winstrol is the best endurance steroid, not sure where you get your info. But that's beside the point, you said ALL steroids would be bad for riding because they retain water, well winstrol doesn't retain water and its a steroid. When used by itself its not as effective as some, but when used in a stack it offsets water retention that others create.

Sunhouse wrote:

I didn´t say all steroids promoted water retention. I said some promote water retention, while others promote a dry vascular effect, which both are hopeless for...

I didn´t say all steroids promoted water retention. I said some promote water retention, while others promote a dry vascular effect, which both are hopeless for someone trying to hold on to a bike for more than 2 laps. Have you tried to run on winny? You won´t last 5 minutes before your calves are harder than concrete. some user complain about it affecting their cardio too.
But the question remains, why use winstrol for mx? It will shut you down hard too, so as you said it´s not very good on its own, but if you´re stacking it with say a test base, you´ll have the same issues with pump and the shut down, which I think would have a much more negative effect on a pro mx`er as opposed to for example a BB`er.

IMO the only place were steroids would have a positive effect for mx would be to recover from injuries. While healthy I can´t see them having a purpose if you want to practice riding too.

UpTiTe wrote:

I find it pointless to continue arguing on line. I do have two question for you. You say steroids wont help a rider performance, but only...

I find it pointless to continue arguing on line. I do have two question for you. You say steroids wont help a rider performance, but only with recovery from an injury. What steroid helps with injury recovery? Do your opinions come from Google or from training and actually wittnessing its effects?

Sunhouse wrote:

I didn´t say all steroids promoted water retention. I said some promote water retention, while others promote a dry vascular effect, which both are hopeless for...

I didn´t say all steroids promoted water retention. I said some promote water retention, while others promote a dry vascular effect, which both are hopeless for someone trying to hold on to a bike for more than 2 laps. Have you tried to run on winny? You won´t last 5 minutes before your calves are harder than concrete. some user complain about it affecting their cardio too.
But the question remains, why use winstrol for mx? It will shut you down hard too, so as you said it´s not very good on its own, but if you´re stacking it with say a test base, you´ll have the same issues with pump and the shut down, which I think would have a much more negative effect on a pro mx`er as opposed to for example a BB`er.

IMO the only place were steroids would have a positive effect for mx would be to recover from injuries. While healthy I can´t see them having a purpose if you want to practice riding too.

UpTiTe wrote:

I find it pointless to continue arguing on line. I do have two question for you. You say steroids wont help a rider performance, but only...

I find it pointless to continue arguing on line. I do have two question for you. You say steroids wont help a rider performance, but only with recovery from an injury. What steroid helps with injury recovery? Do your opinions come from Google or from training and actually wittnessing its effects?

Sunhouse wrote:

"What steroid helps with injury recovery?" are you saying there´s only one steroid that could help an athlete back to shape after a heavy injury? I...

"What steroid helps with injury recovery?"
are you saying there´s only one steroid that could help an athlete back to shape after a heavy injury? I say there´s plenty of them out there that could do the job of getting someone back from a long time off.

My opinions are not from google, I´ll leave it at that.

Gym Briggs wrote:

Performance enhancing drugs aren't going to make you twist the throttle further. That's the beauty of our sport. No drug out there is going to make...

Performance enhancing drugs aren't going to make you twist the throttle further. That's the beauty of our sport. No drug out there is going to make you the best. Thats something that either you have it or you don't!