PLEASE explain to me the AMA MX scoring system...

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Edited Date/Time 5/24/2012 5:20pm
Its quite easy to figure out the top 22 (they changed it from 20) with the Championship points...but what about the rest** I emailed the AMA , havent heard back and honestly not one person I have asked seems to know!
Help is much appreciated Smile

EDIT...meant finishing positions
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mmitoptech 5/22/2012 6:10pm
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What don't you understand? Top 20 scores points, 21-40 don't.
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35smom 5/22/2012 6:28pm
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mmitoptech wrote:
What don't you understand? Top 20 scores points, 21-40 don't.
No kidding...wondered how they came up with the finishing postions for 23-40...not the points
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Switch 5/22/2012 6:34pm
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24-27 for 35th overall? Seems to be pretty normal to see random stuff like that at races. How did he finish?
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agency399 5/22/2012 6:39pm
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Why don't they offer points from 20th back, and add more points to the top 20? Just curious, it never made much sence to me.

Edit. Damn phone

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Switch wrote:
24-27 for 35th overall? Seems to be pretty normal to see random stuff like that at races. How did he finish?
22-28 for 30th, or 28th on the home page here Wink The finish is not the problem but look at the sheet. Riders with 30+ finishes in both motos were ahead of him overall. Just trying to get the jyst of how they score. thanks
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MXerDW 5/22/2012 6:40pm
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Looking at the overalls from Hangtown the riders who scored zero points were scored different in each class.


The 250 class, they used how the riders finished in the second moto.
http://americanmotocrossresults.com/data/2012/01/250_overall.pdf

The 450 class the added both moto finishes together to get the overall positions.
http://americanmotocrossresults.com/data/2012/01/450_overall.pdf

I believe the correct way they do it is like they did for the 450 class.
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chase187 5/22/2012 6:40pm
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35smom wrote:
Its quite easy to figure out the top 22 (they changed it from 20) with the Championship points...but what about the rest** I emailed the AMA...
Its quite easy to figure out the top 22 (they changed it from 20) with the Championship points...but what about the rest** I emailed the AMA , havent heard back and honestly not one person I have asked seems to know!
Help is much appreciated Smile

EDIT...meant finishing positions
If you don't score points in a moto it is scored like the amateurs, by moto scores, if a rider scored points in one moto and not the other, the guy with the better finish outside of getting points will finish ahead of the other.
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35smom 5/22/2012 6:44pm
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MXerDW wrote:
Looking at the overalls from Hangtown the riders who scored zero points were scored different in each class. The 250 class, they used how the riders...
Looking at the overalls from Hangtown the riders who scored zero points were scored different in each class.


The 250 class, they used how the riders finished in the second moto.
http://americanmotocrossresults.com/data/2012/01/250_overall.pdf

The 450 class the added both moto finishes together to get the overall positions.
http://americanmotocrossresults.com/data/2012/01/450_overall.pdf

I believe the correct way they do it is like they did for the 450 class.
That is what I thought...so you think it was a mistake on the 250 class results? Box score for my son on Allisports is 24th. That seems correct
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Mxsports has him listed as finishing 24th which looks correct
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35smom wrote:
That is what I thought...so you think it was a mistake on the 250 class results? Box score for my son on Allisports is 24th. That...
That is what I thought...so you think it was a mistake on the 250 class results? Box score for my son on Allisports is 24th. That seems correct
Yes that should be correct.
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35smom wrote:
That is what I thought...so you think it was a mistake on the 250 class results? Box score for my son on Allisports is 24th. That...
That is what I thought...so you think it was a mistake on the 250 class results? Box score for my son on Allisports is 24th. That seems correct
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Yes that should be correct.
Thanks. Just strange the overall results list him as 30th.
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Switch wrote:
24-27 for 35th overall? Seems to be pretty normal to see random stuff like that at races. How did he finish?
35smom wrote:
22-28 for 30th, or 28th on the home page here ;) The finish is not the problem but look at the sheet. Riders with 30+ finishes...
22-28 for 30th, or 28th on the home page here Wink The finish is not the problem but look at the sheet. Riders with 30+ finishes in both motos were ahead of him overall. Just trying to get the jyst of how they score. thanks
I took a complete stab in the dark without looking at the results and I was pretty close! Hope you all get it figured out.. watched him ride the mudfest at the Fast Traxx area qulifier last year in Nelsonville, Ohio and kept an eye on him since. Best of luck to you guys this year.
sbarrington314 5/22/2012 10:30pm
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agency399 wrote:
Why don't they offer points from 20th back, and add more points to the top 20? Just curious, it never made much sence to me. Edit...
Why don't they offer points from 20th back, and add more points to the top 20? Just curious, it never made much sence to me.

Edit. Damn phone
same here. wtf. those guys are traveling all over the country. qualify to the mains. race 2 30 minute motos, and if you finish 21 and 21... you get no points? fugg that.
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PaleBlue 5/23/2012 12:02am
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21st and up? No points, so, WGAF?
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35s Mom, that was a technical snafu. For the last couple of years we have had a system in place where riders are ranked first by overall points in the moto -- down to 20th position in each moto -- and then by order (position, laps) -- so that there is a true reflection of the race results for everyone who finished.

Somehow, the scoring system was "still on Supercross mode" (we use the same truck, computers and transponders) and that did not automatically happen, so the scorers in the truck had to go back and reconfigure the overall scoring to reflect the full race (and all finishers). I apologize for the mix-up, opening-day techno-dofficulties.

If you ever have a question, please contact: JCanfield@mxsports.com, or you can email me: DC@mxsports.com

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As for giving points from 21st to 40th, there has been a lot of discussion about that lately. I hope we can come up with a good solution (maybe up to 30th?) but it's hard to change about 40 years of scoring a certain way....

Anyone with suggestions, let's have them.

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F1 only scores top 10!

Top 20 is fine

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DC wrote:
As for giving points from 21st to 40th, there has been a lot of discussion about that lately. I hope we can come up with a...
As for giving points from 21st to 40th, there has been a lot of discussion about that lately. I hope we can come up with a good solution (maybe up to 30th?) but it's hard to change about 40 years of scoring a certain way....

Anyone with suggestions, let's have them.

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You are listening and that is a great start imo.
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35smom 5/23/2012 5:09am
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35s Mom, that was a technical snafu. For the last couple of years we have had a system in place where riders are ranked first by...
35s Mom, that was a technical snafu. For the last couple of years we have had a system in place where riders are ranked first by overall points in the moto -- down to 20th position in each moto -- and then by order (position, laps) -- so that there is a true reflection of the race results for everyone who finished.

Somehow, the scoring system was "still on Supercross mode" (we use the same truck, computers and transponders) and that did not automatically happen, so the scorers in the truck had to go back and reconfigure the overall scoring to reflect the full race (and all finishers). I apologize for the mix-up, opening-day techno-dofficulties.

If you ever have a question, please contact: JCanfield@mxsports.com, or you can email me: DC@mxsports.com

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Thanks Davey.No problem! I did email Jeff, figured he was still busy from the weekend. See you at Freestone Smile
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tobz wrote:
F1 only scores top 10!

Top 20 is fine
F1 scored top 6 for many years ... just shows that scoring can be changed!
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DC wrote:
As for giving points from 21st to 40th, there has been a lot of discussion about that lately. I hope we can come up with a...
As for giving points from 21st to 40th, there has been a lot of discussion about that lately. I hope we can come up with a good solution (maybe up to 30th?) but it's hard to change about 40 years of scoring a certain way....

Anyone with suggestions, let's have them.

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50 Points for the Winner 1 point for 40th, work down from there
2 points for the Hole Shot
2 Points for Fastest Qualifier
1 Point for leading a lap
3 Points for Leading most laps
2 points for making the most passes during a race
2 points for Largest position gain after then Hole Shot
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72kiteboarder wrote:
50 Points for the Winner 1 point for 40th, work down from there 2 points for the Hole Shot 2 Points for Fastest Qualifier 1 Point...
50 Points for the Winner 1 point for 40th, work down from there
2 points for the Hole Shot
2 Points for Fastest Qualifier
1 Point for leading a lap
3 Points for Leading most laps
2 points for making the most passes during a race
2 points for Largest position gain after then Hole Shot
I needed a calculator just to read that.....Its hard enough now for the "average" fan to figure out who won now. How do you think that would work?
clkwrkorg36 5/23/2012 7:08am
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Everyone that qualifies should be given points. If you did guys would at least differentiate themselves after the top 20. Now it's basically you're top 20 or we don't care where you finish, you're just there to fill the gate.
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DC wrote:
As for giving points from 21st to 40th, there has been a lot of discussion about that lately. I hope we can come up with a...
As for giving points from 21st to 40th, there has been a lot of discussion about that lately. I hope we can come up with a good solution (maybe up to 30th?) but it's hard to change about 40 years of scoring a certain way....

Anyone with suggestions, let's have them.

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What about this DC...



Also, I like the idea of giving a point to the top lap of qualifying and the holeshot. Those could potentially shake things up and give some points to some privateers every so often.
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TannerMxer 5/23/2012 7:35am
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Sorry about the double post.... now a triple post.
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bg22 wrote:
Why not score like the MXoN? Lowest score wins.

Edit: Found an MXA article that I saw awhile back:

http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/WHY-THE-NATIONALS-NEED-A-NEW-SCORING-SYSTEM-NOT-A-853.aspx
When the announcers (pretty much continually) don't know the overall finishing positions at the end of the second moto it is past time IMHO to go to Olympic scoring.

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