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fader418

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12/23/2012 7:44 AM
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I know this a topic that NOBODY wants to talk about. I never thought these guys used that stuff until now...

That's a hard question to answer, I think racing has gotten better to watch from a fans perspective because there's so much depth in the classes but I also think we have more depth because 4 strokes have made it easier for a wide range of racers to be at that competitive level. Privateers these days can build good bikes with the support and money to have whatever they want on there bike, back in the day very few racers knew how to build a good bike and only factory racers had equipment that killed the competitions. Also two strokes were not easy to go fast on, it took skill to get them going fast and keeping momentum up around a track took talend and skill, 4 strokes don't take as much perfection on hitting everything perfect to keep going fast all you have to do is twist the throttle and have the strength to hold on. 4 strokes took the fun out of racing and made the sport an athletic sport where the strongest riders win. So yes our sport is more dangerous now because 4 strokes have given us more power then most people can handle, and yes it is much more expensive but we have a lot more technology to invested in the bike. Has it made racing any better? I think racing hasn't ever been this exciting ever for the fans to watch but at our risk its getting out of hand, nobody wants to see another sx season have the top 7 guys all get injured at some point. I think the biggest thing in our sport that needs to change is the performance enhancing drugs, at this point the only top riders not doing them is James Stewart and chad reed, the rest are being pumped full of crap that makes these guys monsters and its organized cheating and the sport knows its going on and does nothing about it to stop it.

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12/23/2012 7:53 AM

Nothing new.

PED's have been around for a long time. Any time you mix results and money it is going to happen, in any sport.

"I think you're pretty slow, everyone else on here knew that for years."

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12/23/2012 7:58 AM

is he stating facts? or just throwing accusations out?

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12/23/2012 8:06 AM

Color me not surprised.

"Stewart is the very last of a generation raised on 2-strokes so, naturally, he's going to have more skills than all these 4stroke kids coming up today." - Spotted Marley

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12/23/2012 8:09 AM

Regis wrote:

Nothing new.

PED's have been around for a long time. Any time you mix results and money it is going to happen, in any sport.

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12/23/2012 8:12 AM

Regis wrote:

Nothing new.

PED's have been around for a long time. Any time you mix results and money it is going to happen, in any sport.

clungey wrote:

X 2

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12/23/2012 8:15 AM
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So ma800 IS then I guess. A close member of that group just made that statement.

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12/23/2012 8:22 AM
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Win with PED's or Don't clean...
Your choice????????????? I'm ridin dirty, wanna see me.............

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12/23/2012 8:24 AM

No Mikey is not. Jeff posted that as well. Its on another thread.. It may not be nothing new, but nobody that really "knows" would ever talk about it before...

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12/23/2012 8:26 AM

Can you just take off the 'Jeff alessi wrote' part. I'm not really interested in that phone call ill get if my dad knows I said that. Lol. But iv stated my brother doesn't take anything and he has no reason to, he works hard and does everything he can do have the best natural body for racing.

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12/23/2012 8:34 AM

who cares really... its called Professional Motocross... not the olympics of motocross. These guys get paid to race motorcycles... enough said!

Never try to argue with idiots; they will only bring you down to their level.....and being more experienced, they will beat you at their own game!

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12/23/2012 8:37 AM

bvm111 wrote:

who cares really... its called Professional Motocross... not the olympics of motocross. These guys get paid to race motorcycles... enough said!

Me.

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12/23/2012 8:37 AM

bvm111 wrote:

who cares really... its called Professional Motocross... not the olympics of motocross. These guys get paid to race motorcycles... enough said!

Enough said ?!!!

If you're standing with one foot in the past and one foot in the future you're pissing on the present.

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12/23/2012 8:41 AM

bvm111 wrote:

who cares really... its called Professional Motocross... not the olympics of motocross. These guys get paid to race motorcycles... enough said!

kongols wrote:

Enough said ?!!!

well I can hope can't I?

Never try to argue with idiots; they will only bring you down to their level.....and being more experienced, they will beat you at their own game!

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12/23/2012 8:50 AM

Jeff alessi wrote:

Can you just take off the 'Jeff alessi wrote' part. I'm not really interested in that phone call ill get if my dad knows I said that. Lol. But iv stated my brother doesn't take anything and he has no reason to, he works hard and does everything he can do have the best natural body for racing.

Done! Wasn't trying to make you look bad, it was just the first time anyone has ever said anything about such a secret topic. Maybe A mod can just delete this thread...

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12/23/2012 8:53 AM

Aside from the argument of whether or not the athletes using PEDs are cheating or not, aren't they and the trainers supplying and administering them operating outside the law? No one seems to care or take that into consideration.

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12/23/2012 8:56 AM

So if the "anonymous" commentator says everyone is using them why are Stewart and Reed above suspicion?

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12/23/2012 8:57 AM

Jeff alessi wrote:

Can you just take off the 'Jeff alessi wrote' part. I'm not really interested in that phone call ill get if my dad knows I said that. Lol. But iv stated my brother doesn't take anything and he has no reason to, he works hard and does everything he can do have the best natural body for racing.

fader418 wrote:

Done! Wasn't trying to make you look bad, it was just the first time anyone has ever said anything about such a secret topic. Maybe A mod can just delete this thread...

Why cover it up?

I know I would not want my child taking part in a sport that resorts to pumping the stars full of drugs with who knows what kinds of side effects just in an attempt to win.

The people that allow this to go on should hang their heads in shame, but I guess you can't make a living with only JS7 and CR22 in the field now can you?

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12/23/2012 9:07 AM
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Thank you!

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12/23/2012 9:11 AM

Love this topic. I can only imagine how long it takes till it's being shut down.

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12/23/2012 9:11 AM

Now, this is a 20pager!!!

If you're standing with one foot in the past and one foot in the future you're pissing on the present.

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12/23/2012 9:13 AM

JackLHyde wrote:

Love this topic. I can only imagine how long it takes till it's being shut down.

Rings true in most sports so no real need to shut it down.

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12/23/2012 9:17 AM

clungey wrote:

Rings true in most sports so no real need to shut it down.

We'll see. Most of these have gone nowhere.
Shit goes down all over the place. GP riders aren't innocent, too.

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12/23/2012 9:20 AM

Dose the AMA carry out any sort of drug testing?

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12/23/2012 9:29 AM
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JackLHyde wrote:

Love this topic. I can only imagine how long it takes till it's being shut down.

clungey wrote:

Rings true in most sports so no real need to shut it down.

JackLHyde wrote:

We'll see. Most of these have gone nowhere.
Shit goes down all over the place. GP riders aren't innocent, too.

True, this goes on way lower in the ranks than the profo's, unfortunately!

Edit; fucking keyboard!

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12/23/2012 9:33 AM

Look at what these dudes put their bodies through....NFL playes, Lance and the cycling world, Moto, etc...... these guys do nothing but beat the shit out of themselves on a daily basis.....hell yes they need something to help them with recovery, stamina, etc...... How could they not? Honestly.

I think it is way better than the BAD drugs that I have heard about and seen riders over the years smoke and snort.....nothing new, been going on for years. Thats the shit they need to test for.

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12/23/2012 9:41 AM

I would love to know where Fader418 gets his facts from. Are you following these dudes into the bathroom and leaving with a cup of their piss? Chad and Stewie the only riders not doing them? Please.... You gotta get a clue white boy. If it can be done without trouble, they would be doing them to. I would love to see you ask this question to RD5 after a 30 plus 2. Next thread please!

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12/23/2012 9:50 AM
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Yes its here and yes very fast guys take them just like average guys take them.

Average recovery time for ACL for the average joe? Walking and biking—12 weeks ,running—6 months.

Average recovery time for ACL for factory Joe? walking and biking— 2-3 weeks, running—2 months .


A factory rider recently had his knee done and was bycycling 1 week later, can you do that?

Two factory riders have missed the Supercross season because of severe knee injuries just to come back stronger and faster then pre injury and destryoed the comp, both used the same trainer.

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12/23/2012 9:50 AM

Jeff alessi wrote:

Can you just take off the 'Jeff alessi wrote' part. I'm not really interested in that phone call ill get if my dad knows I said that. Lol. But iv stated my brother doesn't take anything and he has no reason to, he works hard and does everything he can do have the best natural body for racing.

As opposed to who? What other top riders don't work hard?

I don't doubt that there are riders that push the envelope, but there are times when an accusation sounds a bit like an excuse for why one rider can't beat another rider.....

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12/23/2012 9:54 AM

jhansen510 wrote:

I would love to know where Fader418 gets his facts from. Are you following these dudes into the bathroom and leaving with a cup of their piss? Chad and Stewie the only riders not doing them? Please.... You gotta get a clue white boy. If it can be done without trouble, they would be doing them to. I would love to see you ask this question to RD5 after a 30 plus 2. Next thread please!

It appears Fader stated that comment, however, he didn't. He stated the source originally as it was in another thread. That source asked his name be taken off this post and he did. Sot it appears it is his statement, it's not.

"I think you're pretty slow, everyone else on here knew that for years."