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Edited Date/Time 11/21/2014 2:35pm
is worth more that 100 fourth places. I mean for your career. What do you think?
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crusty_xx 11/21/2014 1:45am
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hmm depends.
if you have one guy like herlings that wins everything and you beat him, it might be.
But I think Guillod (usually 4th or worse) had a much better season than Anstie who won a GP.
Could have been different if Anstie had won that GP with Herlings racing and he beat him straight up.
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S.Loyer 11/21/2014 2:06am
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Maybe, but Ill take my paycheck for 100 4th places and I imagine my factory ride salary or close too all day over just one win.
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Crush 11/21/2014 2:15am
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Would you prefer Mike Craig's bank career (and bank balance) or Andrew Shorts/Tim Ferry etc?

I'd take Shorty's all damn day!

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jock 11/21/2014 2:51am
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I guess a team would take the win, a rider the 100 4th's.
Could it be the reason CR22 hired JG33? Wink
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Gazza 11/21/2014 5:08am
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That's a tricky one, we all race to win, everyone of those top riders is out there to with one goal. 100 4th's means that over the course of multiple years / championships the rider was NEVER good enough to get on the podium, that must hurt!

Sure yes, in monetary values, someone like Short is going to be better off than 1 guy that got 1 win once and nothing else. But with money being so poor in general, knowing you get bugger all, would you not trade it for a win? No one remembers who consistently was 4th years later, but winners go in history books,

If 100 is too high, how many would you trade for a 1st? My number has to be in the 20's I think. After that it really depends on the earning potential...
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TannerMxer 11/21/2014 6:49am
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Without question for me, one win over a hundred fourths. I look at it this way. If I were still pitching in baseball, I would prefer to have 10 terrible seasons and 1 good season with a Cy Young. Reaching the pinnacle (without a title) in SX/MX would let me know that for one day, if only one day, I was the best guy on the track.

And to me, that is an irreplaceable feeling.
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hvaughn88 11/21/2014 7:14am
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why is everyone using shorty as an example? He has a supercross win.
Mchenault499 11/21/2014 7:19am
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hvaughn88 wrote:
why is everyone using shorty as an example? He has a supercross win.
100 fourth places, good attitude, and marketability is greater than 1 win if the guy is difficult to work with. See Shorty, Wilbur...and Pourcel
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hvaughn88 11/21/2014 7:20am
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hvaughn88 wrote:
why is everyone using shorty as an example? He has a supercross win.
Mchenault499 wrote:
100 fourth places, good attitude, and marketability is greater than 1 win if the guy is difficult to work with. See Shorty, Wilbur...and Pourcel
I understand that. I'm not arguing against shorty, I would take shorty on my team all day. What I was getting at is I think people forget that shorty has a win.
TripleFive 11/21/2014 7:25am
11/21/2014 7:25am
Over the last five SX series, fourth place finishes would have scored three second place overall finishes in points.

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seth505 11/21/2014 7:35am
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Thought this was gonna be about the Raiders. Silver n Black!! Tongue
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kongols 11/21/2014 7:37am
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hvaughn88 wrote:
why is everyone using shorty as an example? He has a supercross win.
Mchenault499 wrote:
100 fourth places, good attitude, and marketability is greater than 1 win if the guy is difficult to work with. See Shorty, Wilbur...and Pourcel
hvaughn88 wrote:
I understand that. I'm not arguing against shorty, I would take shorty on my team all day. What I was getting at is I think people...
I understand that. I'm not arguing against shorty, I would take shorty on my team all day. What I was getting at is I think people forget that shorty has a win.
Wilbur has wins and championship.
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MarkF 11/21/2014 8:04am
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hvaughn88 wrote:
why is everyone using shorty as an example? He has a supercross win.
Andrew has multiple wins. I think 8 to be exact.
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Ardfarkl 11/21/2014 8:08am
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I would say no. If you only ever had one someone would have a reason to "asterrisk" it. He only won that time because.....
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hvaughn88 11/21/2014 8:58am
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I was assuming we were talking big bike stats. My mistake
TripleFive 11/21/2014 9:12am
11/21/2014 9:12am
Let's ask Josh Grant if he would prefer to have a couple of solo victories over always being a fourth place guy.
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TailSoHard 11/21/2014 9:19am
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For me, it would depend on where you are in your career. If you just turned pro, you are probably going to try and push for that win as had as you possibly can, which you should; that's the whole point of racing. But if you've been a pro racer for 10+ years, you may dial it back a bit and settle for 4th place finishes in order to pay the bills and help insure that you'll have a job from year to year

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2WheelsForTheMasses 11/21/2014 9:24am
11/21/2014 9:24am Edited Date/Time 11/21/2014 9:24am
Ill take the 100 4th place finishes over a single win...

Seriously being the 4th fastest guy on the track year in and year out is to me more than a life acheivement...not too mention worth its weight in gold!
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TDeath21 11/21/2014 9:37am
11/21/2014 9:37am
Sort of a similar situation here:

Who had the better career: Grant Langston or Kevin Windham?
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Falcon 11/21/2014 9:39am
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There are lots of guys who are in the position to keep riding each year for top-10s because of their one win. Josh Hill comes to mind. No disrespect to the guy, but without a SX main event win under his belt, I'm not so sure he would have had the rides he enjoyed since.
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visser62 11/21/2014 10:26am
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TDeath21 wrote:
Sort of a similar situation here:

Who had the better career: Grant Langston or Kevin Windham?
Langston has a 450 championship, but Windham has more wins and more longevity. That one's a little too easy.
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ratonmacias 11/21/2014 10:34am
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Speaking of 80s and 90s 250 supercross Guy Cooper never won a main. still a great champion Bradshaw on the other hand no national or sx championships but many main wins.

who would you prefer to be?
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mxb2 11/21/2014 10:47am
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Titles mean more than race wins, alot of riders win races, not many win titles.
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Crush 11/21/2014 1:22pm
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hvaughn88 wrote:
why is everyone using shorty as an example? He has a supercross win.
MarkF wrote:
Andrew has multiple wins. I think 8 to be exact.
After I wrote it I remembered Seattle, but his career has definitely been built on his consistency. Don't think he's been hired as a full threat race or championship guy since lites days and even then...
JamesOliver 11/21/2014 2:35pm
11/21/2014 2:35pm Edited Date/Time 11/21/2014 2:36pm
TripleFive wrote:
Let's ask Josh Grant if he would prefer to have a couple of solo victories over always being a fourth place guy.
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