Off Season Talk... SX Changes?!

...., but apparently Arenacross is going to trial the points for heat wins etc this year...

How are the lineups for the the heat races picked?

Points for heat race wins would just make things worse in my opinion, as some of the heat races are are more stacked with the top riders than others.

It would seem more fair to me if they did extra points for the fastet heat race winner, that way the only issue would be which heat race that they were in and how far the track had detetiorated thus contributing to their lap times. But wait, what about caution flags, injuries, and such slowing down the heat race times. [i]And that is how they already get first gate pick for the main!

So, back to points for the heat race wins, if it isn't already in place, the need to have a seeding order for which heat race lineups, say Heat 1 gets the current point leaders in the odd positions and Heat 2 gets the current point leaders in the even positions.

Ahhh what the hell, thinking outside the box is great but sometimes in the end just makes things worse.

Just make the rules however they want, list them before hand, and let them run to get an eventual winner. I just want to see some great racing with injuries at the bare minimum.[/i]

Bring back the semi's in the 450 class.

Make the main a 20 minutes +2 race. I don't give a sh*t if it's confusing for the casual fan, they're only watching for the jumps and crashes anyway.

I'm torn on the amateur race. Although I like the premise, the thought of putting (relatively) inexperienced riders on a SX track is kinda frighting.

DoctorJD wrote: Bring back the semi's in the 450 class.

Make the main a 20 minutes +2 race. I don't give a sh*t if it's confusing for the casual fan, they're only watching for the jumps and crashes anyway.

I'm torn on the amateur race. Although I like the premise, the thought of putting (relatively) inexperienced riders on a SX track is kinda frighting.

Good ideas. I'd just add, make the rules, implement the rules and then lets try a novel approach of enforcing the rules.

No way should points EVER be given for a heat race win. That's just stupid. Definitely bring back the semis and 20+2 sounds like a much better idea than the 15 minute mains we have. I would also like to see the 450s go first in SX.

DoctorJD wrote: Bring back the semi's in the 450 class.

Make the main a 20 minutes +2 race. I don't give a sh*t if it's confusing for the casual fan, they're only watching for the jumps and crashes anyway.

I'm torn on the amateur race. Although I like the premise, the thought of putting (relatively) inexperienced riders on a SX track is kinda frighting.

the more racing the less track at the end of the night. 4 strokes destroy supercross tracks, you will not see semis involved as long as the predominant machine is a 4 stroke. Edit: Okay, let me put it this way, you SHOULDN'T see semis if we are racing 4 strokes. I can see tracks getting dangerous if they allow 4 more 6-8 laps races.

Id like to see the tracks at least 3 feet wider in sx and 5 feet wider in mx (sx could probably use more than that).

I would like to see sections that challenge the riders, but are also safer. Like jumps they cant make so they may have to single the last jump or roll the first jump going into a section to slow things down a little more. i.e. No triple, triple, triples, make the section so one of the jumps is too far so the riders have to slow down some and have to double somewhere.

Also, I too agree that heat race wins should not count for points.

I'm all for extending the race time. 15min mains are kind of stupid. They should be 20min....or 25 laps or whatever. I know it's been left that way because it fits a TV schedule better.....but they have a lot of bullshit filler in those broadcasts. They shouldn't have to shorten the viewing of the qualifiers or man.....just get rid of some of the stupid "behind the scene " type stuff.

Honestly......I love watching the race itself......it's all the glam , fireworks , monster chicks , monster truck type friggin' circus side show stuff I could do without.

Thank god for my DVR.....I can FFWD through all that stuff and just watch the damn races.

jeffro503 wrote: I'm all for extending the race time. 15min mains are kind of stupid. They should be 20min....or 25 laps or whatever. I know it's been left that way because it fits a TV schedule better.....but they have a lot of bullshit filler in those broadcasts. They shouldn't have to shorten the viewing of the qualifiers or man.....just get rid of some of the stupid "behind the scene " type stuff.

Honestly......I love watching the race itself......it's all the glam , fireworks , monster chicks , monster truck type friggin' circus side show stuff I could do without.

Thank god for my DVR.....I can FFWD through all that stuff and just watch the damn races.

Are you saying you don't enjoy watching Stewart order at a Taco Bell drive thru? What kind of fan are you anyway!?

DiRTY brings up a very good point that I hadn't considered and I think I'm persuaded -- the track would just be to ragged out and would become a serious hazard. Think of what happened to RV two years ago; he spun his back wheel on an exposed patch of concrete and it ruined his year. With Semi's the track would be exponentially worse.

jeffro503 wrote: I'm all for extending the race time. 15min mains are kind of stupid. They should be 20min....or 25 laps or whatever. I know it's been left that way because it fits a TV schedule better.....but they have a lot of bullshit filler in those broadcasts. They shouldn't have to shorten the viewing of the qualifiers or man.....just get rid of some of the stupid "behind the scene " type stuff.

Honestly......I love watching the race itself......it's all the glam , fireworks , monster chicks , monster truck type friggin' circus side show stuff I could do without.

Thank god for my DVR.....I can FFWD through all that stuff and just watch the damn races.

I'm with jeffro, stop with the B.S. and give us more racing. Also,to the producer, sx fans don't want you to cut to footage from 5 yrs ago during the main event, show the live footage.Nothing pisses me off more than when they cut to old footage, or an interview during the race.

TDeath21 wrote: No way should points EVER be given for a heat race win. That's just stupid. Definitely bring back the semis and 20+2 sounds like a much better idea than the 15 minute mains we have. I would also like to see the 450s go first in SX.

why is that stupid? yer comment seems stupi..der

I know ill probably get flamed for this.....but I kinda like the idea of the monster lane,or some type of rule, event, obstacle, or lane that breaks up the usual 20 lap sprint. Kinda like the cautions, pit stops, lucky dog, or wavearoud in NASCAR.

TDeath21 wrote: No way should points EVER be given for a heat race win. That's just stupid. Definitely bring back the semis and 20+2 sounds like a much better idea than the 15 minute mains we have. I would also like to see the 450s go first in SX.

BobbyM wrote: why is that stupid? yer comment seems stupi..der

I hope you're joking. I don't think you really want points awarded to someone who wins an 8 lap heat race with only half the competition.

Semis and 20 + 2 lap mains? How much more do you want to stretch the show out? Already pushing it for live coverage at 3 hrs.

Fasten the tough block covers down?

^I sure hope FELD is reading this^ . Please fix the tuff blocks guys .

Move all the rounds to a morning schedule so I don't have to wake up at 4am British time to watch them!

TDeath21 wrote: No way should points EVER be given for a heat race win. That's just stupid. Definitely bring back the semis and 20+2 sounds like a much better idea than the 15 minute mains we have. I would also like to see the 450s go first in SX.

x2!

DoctorJD wrote: Bring back the semi's in the 450 class.

Make the main a 20 minutes +2 race. I don't give a sh*t if it's confusing for the casual fan, they're only watching for the jumps and crashes anyway.

I'm torn on the amateur race. Although I like the premise, the thought of putting (relatively) inexperienced riders on a SX track is kinda frighting.

Yea! 20 min +2 laps the 450's and 15 mins + 2 laps for the 250's (Lites).

This way Feld can build all the cheap, overly short, tracks they want and the fans will still get all the racing time they deserve for their money.

40 rider mains!!!

Kidding of course.

I'd like to see lappers get pulled at some point. Understood they are racing also but I like to watch races where lappers don't affect the outcome of the race too drastically. Maybe pull any rider that has been lapped by more than 5 riders. Or any rider that has been lapped at the 12 lap point. And enforce the rule. . .

IWreckALot wrote: 40 rider mains!!!

Kidding of course.

I'd like to see lappers get pulled at some point. Understood they are racing also but I like to watch races where lappers don't affect the outcome of the race too drastically. Maybe pull any rider that has been lapped by more than 5 riders. Or any rider that has been lapped at the 12 lap point. And enforce the rule. . .

If i was that lapper, why would i line up,

if i was to be pulled 1/2 way in the race, my sponsor/s would not get any exposure.

Then only 8 guys will line up at any SX event !!

No way, give my a full gate plaese.

longer sand sections, like make half the track out of deep lommel sand.

IWreckALot wrote: 40 rider mains!!!

Kidding of course.

I'd like to see lappers get pulled at some point. Understood they are racing also but I like to watch races where lappers don't affect the outcome of the race too drastically. Maybe pull any rider that has been lapped by more than 5 riders. Or any rider that has been lapped at the 12 lap point. And enforce the rule. . .

julienmark wrote: If i was that lapper, why would i line up,

if i was to be pulled 1/2 way in the race, my sponsor/s would not get any exposure.

Then only 8 guys will line up at any SX event !!

No way, give my a full gate plaese.

Tell that to VIllopoto, his team, and fans when he plugged his silencer off with dirt, got lapped and then came back to score valuable championship points.

As most people suggested, I think longer mains are in order. If track continuity is of concern, shorten the heat races. Tracks need to be wider, with more passing options. More often than not there is only one fast way around the track (with -50 second lap times) yet I see tons of unused space on the stadium floor. Put switchbacks on the inside lines if you have to!

Also, and this has improved greatly in the last few seasons, the landings to jumps always need to rounded, not peaky and more forgiving for hard cases. I think they can get away with keeping the jumps as big (or bigger) so long as someone's spine won't go through their helmet if a mistake is made. After all, these are professionals here.

I would love to see another quad like in Atlanta in 2010. If I remember right the jump was made thoughtfully with plenty of run up, takeoff had enough lip so that 3rd gear pinned on a 450 wasn't necessary to make it, didn't go straight into a corner after the landing, and nobody crashed on it. We can go big if there's some planning involved and we don't end up with triples that the landing is TALLER than the takeoff, and peaky as hell like the one that ruined Tedesco and Villopoto's season in 2010.

I think an Amateur event at these races would be terrible. They need to stick to the MEC and Supercross test tracks while AMs, they don't need to kill themselves before they turn Pro (or even 16).

All in all, I think Supercoss is doing great and strikes a pretty good balance for the hardcore and casual spectators. Now if only everyone stays healthy this season... We need to outdo 2011!

TDeath21 wrote: No way should points EVER be given for a heat race win. That's just stupid. Definitely bring back the semis and 20+2 sounds like a much better idea than the 15 minute mains we have. I would also like to see the 450s go first in SX.

BobbyM wrote: why is that stupid? yer comment seems stupi..der

TDeath21 wrote: I hope you're joking. I don't think you really want points awarded to someone who wins an 8 lap heat race with only half the competition.

Most of the Teams have no problem throwing out bonuses to riders who win Heat Races.
They respect /recognize & reward for them.


If they gave 2 bonus point's or something like that to the fastest heat race winner of the night, that would be interesting.Also in a close championship points race it could/would put more pressure on the riders in the heats and shake things up a bit.
Especially the leaders who slow down in their heats to get second gate pick...rather then first pick (to be on the inside of a certain rider). In stadiums without roofs -even Mother Nature could come into play.
Dungey comes out and wins Heat 1 in Seattle -it starts a down pour on the last lap of Heat 1.
Heat 2 on gate the gate could have a very sloppy track - with much slower lap times.
It would be interesting to see how it played out.



However,I would like to see them bring back the semi's.
Rather then Two Heats & a LCQ - I enjoyed seeing more racing.

Track deterioration point is mute. Adding in laps would not affect it as bad as some as you guys think...

1. its mainly the corner's where they may get down to the concrete...mainly exiting, for that's the only place i have ever seen them reach the concrete because that's where they put out the most torque. (walk the track after, if you can.. its not as bad as somepeople believe it to be... unless its daytona)

2. Bring back Semis...Screw you guys i want to see more racing

3. Bring back day Qualifiers races... so we get more turnout pro rider wise... (and sometimes some of the best racing of the day/night was in these things)

4. Eliminate timed practice (we are not nascar)

5. Bring back the ktm 50s race.or let 80's race with restrictions

6. 25 Lap mains 450, 20 laps 250fs

7.All tracks rider designed with no restrictions! (any past rider who has won a 250/450 class race from 1988 - 2007, gets to design the tracks for the season... each race, different track designer)

8.bring back the parade lap damnit

9. make the rc cars clear the triple lol.. If they dont there worthless

10. Change the korn are you ready start song...TO pantera A new level

That's it.... If only this shit were to come true!

Maybe pull the lappers once they've been lapped twice?

mattmatt300 wrote: Maybe pull the lappers once they've been lapped twice?

I've got a feeling we will see Crocodile Pits on the tracks ,before we see them do that.
But I agree - I hate seeing them change the outcome of a race by getting in the way....always pisses me off.

Motodave15 wrote: Track deterioration point is mute. Adding in laps would not affect it as bad as some as you guys think...

1. its mainly the corner's where they may get down to the concrete...mainly exiting, for that's the only place i have ever seen them reach the concrete because that's where they put out the most torque. (walk the track after, if you can.. its not as bad as somepeople believe it to be... unless its daytona)

2. Bring back Semis...Screw you guys i want to see more racing

3. Bring back day Qualifiers races... so we get more turnout pro rider wise... (and sometimes some of the best racing of the day/night was in these things)

4. Eliminate timed practice (we are not nascar)

5. Bring back the ktm 50s race.or let 80's race with restrictions

6. 25 Lap mains 450, 20 laps 250fs

7.All tracks rider designed with no restrictions! (any past rider who has won a 250/450 class race from 1988 - 2007, gets to design the tracks for the season... each race, different track designer)

8.bring back the parade lap damnit

9. make the rc cars clear the triple lol.. If they dont there worthless

10. Change the korn are you ready start song...TO pantera A new level

That's it.... If only this shit were to come true!

Or better yet, a Pantera cover of "Get your ride on"!

Team points. Teams with 2-4 riders qualify for points. Championship winning teams get to run red backgrounds for the next season even if the riders dont earn #1.