No TUE, no suspension

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Edited Date/Time 4/29/2016 3:22pm
Anyone read this story? I guess there are circumstances here that can be compared to Bubbagate. Here the team Dr has taken the rap and said it was his error that the rider hadn't filed a TUE. As a result he's not been suspended, clearly an asthma drug is not considered as suspect as an amphetamine. Although abuse of asthma drugs in cycling seems pretty universal given the fact that pro cyclists are 3x more likely to need asthma drugs compared to the general population. (7x in elite swimming)

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/apr/29/orica-green-simon-yates-po…
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Motofinne 4/29/2016 3:14am
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Asthma meds are abused in all sports that require endurance
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#76 4/29/2016 3:35am
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Motofinne wrote:
Asthma meds are abused in all sports that require endurance
From an Asthmatic for 35yrs+ explain please?....
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colonel 4/29/2016 3:58am
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WADA lists Terbutaline as "beta-2 agonist." Relaxes smooth muscle in lungs, dilates bronchial passages. Lung function test, TUE required.

It is not the same in any regard as Ventolin for example.

Also Orica are spinning this as a inhaler. Terbutaline is taken in tablet form, not inhaler.

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kkawboy14 4/29/2016 4:55am
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Motofinne wrote:
Asthma meds are abused in all sports that require endurance
#76 wrote:
From an Asthmatic for 35yrs+ explain please?....
It can do what nasal strips wished they could do!

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Fearo 4/29/2016 5:18am
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Motofinne wrote:
Asthma meds are abused in all sports that require endurance
This is the truth.

If you can not comprehend this, you are naive at best.
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kongols 4/29/2016 5:25am
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It`s nice to be in a sport where federation is behind you and not against you.
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#76 4/29/2016 5:36am
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I'm pretty sure Mookie does too?.
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kzizok 4/29/2016 6:54am
4/29/2016 6:54am Edited Date/Time 4/29/2016 7:16am
colonel wrote:
WADA lists Terbutaline as "beta-2 agonist." Relaxes smooth muscle in lungs, dilates bronchial passages. Lung function test, TUE required. It is not the same in any...
WADA lists Terbutaline as "beta-2 agonist." Relaxes smooth muscle in lungs, dilates bronchial passages. Lung function test, TUE required.

It is not the same in any regard as Ventolin for example.

Also Orica are spinning this as a inhaler. Terbutaline is taken in tablet form, not inhaler.

Terbutaline and ventolin are both beta 2 agonists. Both are used as fast acting bronchodilators. Terbutaline comes in pill and inhaler form. Both terbutaline and ventolin(albuterol) are used as fast acting rescue inhalers with efficacy being similar. Albuterol is the gold standard and is recommended as first line therapy for rescue relief.

As a side note, terbutaline is most widely used to slow/stop early labor in pregnant women. The pill form makes it convenient for this type of treatment.
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davistld01 4/29/2016 7:18am
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#76 wrote:
I'm pretty sure Mookie does too?.
I bet he has a TUE if he does.
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jeffro503 4/29/2016 11:49am
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I have to use inhalers as well some times. Had to use them for riding on really dusty days or high pollen. Mostly bugs me at night when I'm trying to sleep. Nothing like being up all night , and having to sit up every time you try and take a deep breath.
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kzizok 4/29/2016 11:54am
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GeorgiePorgie wrote:
Yea but your heart rate goes up too. Not safe. Run the risk of just collapsing.
Thats a great point, where HR's in the 180's, getting them in the 200's you run the risk of dangerous rhythm's like SVT, A or V FIB. A rider wouldnt know to pull in to be defibrillated. Could be fatal. As a fun fact, in movies and TV you see them "shock" asytole (flat line). It is not true in the real world.
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FreshTopEnd 4/29/2016 12:48pm
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Fraser wrote:
Anyone read this story? I guess there are circumstances here that can be compared to Bubbagate. Here the team Dr has taken the rap and said...
Anyone read this story? I guess there are circumstances here that can be compared to Bubbagate. Here the team Dr has taken the rap and said it was his error that the rider hadn't filed a TUE. As a result he's not been suspended, clearly an asthma drug is not considered as suspect as an amphetamine. Although abuse of asthma drugs in cycling seems pretty universal given the fact that pro cyclists are 3x more likely to need asthma drugs compared to the general population. (7x in elite swimming)

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/apr/29/orica-green-simon-yates-po…
The issue isn't whether it's suspect more or less than amphetamines, but how it is classified in the WADA code (reflecting its risk of abuse profile) together with the underlying circumstances. It's not really possible to meaningfully compare two given athletes' s experiences without the vetting those differences, if any.

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zehn 4/29/2016 2:06pm
4/29/2016 2:06pm Edited Date/Time 4/29/2016 2:10pm
Whenever I ride mtb with my friend who has asthma I'll take a puff off his albuterol inhaler before we ride or after a long climb. It can help a lot! It absolutely has the potential to be abused in endurance-based sports.

I've been prescribed them before for cold weather and exercise-induced asthma before anybody gets all up in arms.

And no, I don't race mtb or MX anymore so don't worry.
GeorgiePorgie 4/29/2016 3:22pm
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kzizok wrote:
Thats a great point, where HR's in the 180's, getting them in the 200's you run the risk of dangerous rhythm's like SVT, A or V...
Thats a great point, where HR's in the 180's, getting them in the 200's you run the risk of dangerous rhythm's like SVT, A or V FIB. A rider wouldnt know to pull in to be defibrillated. Could be fatal. As a fun fact, in movies and TV you see them "shock" asytole (flat line). It is not true in the real world.
This.

Asystole. Chest compressions and epi. No shocky.

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