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1/22/2012 8:58pm
From MXA -
http://www.motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/ASK-THE-MXPERTS-WHY-WASTE-T…
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ASK THE MXPERTS: WHY WASTE TIME WITH TWO-STROKE MOTOCROSS BIKES WHEN NO ONE MAKES THEM ANYMORE?
Why does MXA harp on two-strokes when Yamaha is the only Japanese manufacturer to make them?
Dear MXA,
MXA is the only magazine that even wastes time and space to test two-strokes anymore. Isn’t it obvious that the motorcycle manufacturers don’t make them anymore. Yamaha is the only Japanese two-stroke left. Give it up!
MXA is not telling you what to buy and we aren’t anti-four-stroke. We just want to see affordable motorcycles offered to the public (not to mention bikes that can be fixed in a garage by its owner for about one-fourth the cost of a four-stroke rebuild). If you don't want a two-stroke, or have some schizoid fear of them, don't buy one...but the motorcycle industry is rapidly pricing itself out of the budgets of the people who made this sport popular in the first place. And the costs aren't just the initial investment in the machine, but also its upkeep, labor costs and parts bill. We test every bike made and you don't have to be a high school graduate to see that the number of four-stroke tests and articles in MXA far outweigh the number of two-stroke stories. The interplay between the two types of engines seems to set people's nerves on end...and they want to defend their $9000 purchase by trying to stop people from buying the other type.
The 2011 Suzuki RM250 sells for 2000 British Pounds less than the RM-Z450 in England. That is $3146 less.
Additionally, Yamaha is not the only manufacturer to still make two-strokes. Suzuki still manufactures the RM125 and RM250—but U.S. Suzuki does not import them. We have included pages from Suzuki of Great Britain showing that they sell the bikes. You can go to www.suzuki-gb.co.uk to see for yourself.
Also, Italian manufacturer TM and British-brand Maico have new American importers. And, you conveniently forgot KTM, who sells more two-strokes than any other manufacturer and might well be on its way to being the number one selling brand for offroad motorcycles in the near future.
At 4288 British Pounds, the 2011 RM250 is a bargain over the 6331 pound RM-Z250. The RM125 costs $3313 less than the 250 four-stroke in Great Britain."
Let's not ape out like usual, just thought I'd throw this up for the Zook info. I also thought you could get KX two-strokes still outside the US?
http://www.motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/ASK-THE-MXPERTS-WHY-WASTE-T…
"
ASK THE MXPERTS: WHY WASTE TIME WITH TWO-STROKE MOTOCROSS BIKES WHEN NO ONE MAKES THEM ANYMORE?
Why does MXA harp on two-strokes when Yamaha is the only Japanese manufacturer to make them?
Dear MXA,
MXA is the only magazine that even wastes time and space to test two-strokes anymore. Isn’t it obvious that the motorcycle manufacturers don’t make them anymore. Yamaha is the only Japanese two-stroke left. Give it up!
MXA is not telling you what to buy and we aren’t anti-four-stroke. We just want to see affordable motorcycles offered to the public (not to mention bikes that can be fixed in a garage by its owner for about one-fourth the cost of a four-stroke rebuild). If you don't want a two-stroke, or have some schizoid fear of them, don't buy one...but the motorcycle industry is rapidly pricing itself out of the budgets of the people who made this sport popular in the first place. And the costs aren't just the initial investment in the machine, but also its upkeep, labor costs and parts bill. We test every bike made and you don't have to be a high school graduate to see that the number of four-stroke tests and articles in MXA far outweigh the number of two-stroke stories. The interplay between the two types of engines seems to set people's nerves on end...and they want to defend their $9000 purchase by trying to stop people from buying the other type.
The 2011 Suzuki RM250 sells for 2000 British Pounds less than the RM-Z450 in England. That is $3146 less.
Additionally, Yamaha is not the only manufacturer to still make two-strokes. Suzuki still manufactures the RM125 and RM250—but U.S. Suzuki does not import them. We have included pages from Suzuki of Great Britain showing that they sell the bikes. You can go to www.suzuki-gb.co.uk to see for yourself.
Also, Italian manufacturer TM and British-brand Maico have new American importers. And, you conveniently forgot KTM, who sells more two-strokes than any other manufacturer and might well be on its way to being the number one selling brand for offroad motorcycles in the near future.
At 4288 British Pounds, the 2011 RM250 is a bargain over the 6331 pound RM-Z250. The RM125 costs $3313 less than the 250 four-stroke in Great Britain."
Let's not ape out like usual, just thought I'd throw this up for the Zook info. I also thought you could get KX two-strokes still outside the US?
2011 RM250 in USD is $7286.29
2011 RM125 is USD is $6953.84
still not CHEAP by any means
for comparison my 2011 ktm150 cost about £5100, the 250sxf is £1000 more.
that £1000 is a big help through out the year,helping travelling,entry fees,tyres,oil ect.
but it is no way near as good as a 150ktm.
The Shop
a bike stand that costs more than $100-- and bike tests of exotic unobtanium bikes built just for MXA by their buddies in SoCal hop up shops (that none of us have a prayer of ever riding).
2011 RM250 in USD is $7259.77 - 4493 Pounds
2011 RM125 is USD is $6928.53 - 4288 Pounds
2011 RMZ250 in USD is $10, 229.60 - 6331 Pounds
2011 RMZ450 is USD is $10, 491.30 - 6493 Pounds
Hmmm. I wonder which one I would chose, or is cheaper?
Wow, look at that. That is a huge difference. Just think of what the YZ should be selling for if we compare apples to apples and the differences in prices. In USD, the difference between a RMZ450 and RM250 is $3,231.53. Wow! Just think if the YZ250 sold for 5,564.77 and YZ125 $4,500.
YZ450F $8,150
YZ250F $7,150
YZ250 $7,150
YZ125 $ 6,250
There are "duties", currency conversion issues and taxes in those British prices that don't really let you see the point that MXA is making (And, they're RIGHT about these things...Damn. Did I jus' say that?).
For Yamaha, SHAME on You!
For KTM, Thank you! Can we have some fully lit 125's, 150's, 200's, 250's & 300's...PLEASE? aka EXC-GS's
As for Suzuki: Reach down, grab a pair, and IMPORT THAT SHIZZLE!
Honda? Look, I ain't hatin'...but...yeah, I am: That Uni-Cam (In general) and those single-ring pistons in the X's jus' suck!
Kawi? You lost me when ya killed the KDX and the 500. Oh, and, U can keep all that Monster crap.
For Moto-East-Mag: Get over it. Some folks DO and WILL buy the trick bits. Some won't..."But, Stan, why are you so mad?" (Stolen from Eminem's best album). Oh, and, last time I checked: Don Emler's sellin' COMPLETE Systems for...$399.
Sincerely,
Not so Angry in California.
Pit Row
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