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Love him or hate him, he has been the epicentre of news the last few years. I enjoy the behind the scene news and insight to the industry.
He just posted a few tweets on line that brought up a very interesting scenario:
Kenny Roczen is notoriously leaving Factory KTM for RCH Soaring Eagle/Dodge?/Fox Suzuki.
Matthes' point is that as a rider, it's much more secure to remain at a Factory funded race program opposed to a privately funded one for the following reasons:
-technology, and likelihood to share info
-funding
-reliance on sponsors/results etc
If Muscle Milk says 'I'm out' at Honda, they're fine, Monster says 'I'm out' at Kawi they're hurt, but fine. If that happens at RCH, TWO TWO and the like, they are in a world of hurt.
Other than the base salary Kenny in getting from RCH, he is giving up security in the program, factory tech and ease of availability to that tech, and the stress to keep key sponsors happy all the time (CR22). It begs the question at what point it's worth the switch to privately funded team?
So to come full circle, I'll give this thought experiment full credit to Matthes.... Keep up the good work!
On a side note: I think RCH is as solid as you can get as a private team aside from JGR, but still deserves discussion.
He just posted a few tweets on line that brought up a very interesting scenario:
Kenny Roczen is notoriously leaving Factory KTM for RCH Soaring Eagle/Dodge?/Fox Suzuki.
Matthes' point is that as a rider, it's much more secure to remain at a Factory funded race program opposed to a privately funded one for the following reasons:
-technology, and likelihood to share info
-funding
-reliance on sponsors/results etc
If Muscle Milk says 'I'm out' at Honda, they're fine, Monster says 'I'm out' at Kawi they're hurt, but fine. If that happens at RCH, TWO TWO and the like, they are in a world of hurt.
Other than the base salary Kenny in getting from RCH, he is giving up security in the program, factory tech and ease of availability to that tech, and the stress to keep key sponsors happy all the time (CR22). It begs the question at what point it's worth the switch to privately funded team?
So to come full circle, I'll give this thought experiment full credit to Matthes.... Keep up the good work!
On a side note: I think RCH is as solid as you can get as a private team aside from JGR, but still deserves discussion.
this aint da 70's 80's or 90's no mo' ...
The Shop
The 1st and craziest is the one where we think that In-House Factory Teams will be "fine" w/out sponsorship $. That's not how it is, these days. Especially with the Teams that hire the expensive talent that you see winning championships.
The 2nd, and almost as crazy as the 1st: That a Team like RCH or JGR doesn't have the "security" to offer a rider like a Factory Team does. The "Private Teams" are paying someone a salary higher than a Factory Team could offer to a certain rider that's currently running around with a Red Plate. The OEM said so, themsleves, in a recent German interview. Where's Factory Yamaha? (Tho, they may return...sorta), Where's Factory Suzuki? One type of team is on the rise and another type is on the decline. Hart and the Gibbs have been INCREASING their Investment. There are more and more "Private" teams that are grabbing wins and championships. Rockstar just got their 1st and Star is looking pretty good, too.
The 3rd: Factory Teams/OEMs have the settings and the Privateer Teams don't?
Best handling Suzuki I saw, all year? Weston's SX bike. Seems those JGR Yamaha's looked pretty damn good, too. Geico Hondas? It's true that the OEM "Factory" Teams have a lot of direct support; but, that doesn't seem to mean "the best settings" these days. KTM is it's own situation: WP has all the Teams covered.
The OEM's Leaning on Support Teams to get a certain rider? Absolutely. Been there, seen it...participated. But, it's the exact same way with "Sponsors", too...RV's latest debacle...is that bewteen him and Kawi or him and....?
I'm jus' sayin'...
Btw, did anyone notice how Nice-n-Stock Davi's New Works bike looks?
RCH is just some make shift wanna bees....haha....
I don't think they are sub-par, or at risk to fail... But it's a valid point to a top tier rider. Just interesting to contemplate.
We r used to the factory teams being the end all in this sport, but I just can't see them having the cash to do it anymore... I would speculate that a private team with a big casino and a sport drink sponsor would have loads more cash to throw at a rider, and on technology, than one of the big four right now...
He was one of the 1st to grab the concept of "New Media" and he's making a good run of it.
Didn't Dungey have trouble getting his bonus money in 2010?
Pit Row
but yes, i did hear he had problems getting bonus money (heard it on the interwebz)
The one thing you could say is that the yellow bikes seem like they've had a few more issues since the whole back team went to Orange. Not that Orange hasn't had some issues since....
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