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10/21/2014 11:14pm
10/21/2014 11:14pm
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10/23/2014 6:36pm
http://pulpmxshow.com/sites/pulpmxshow.com/files/podcasts/141020_pulpmx…
26:12 in the broadcast. Exactly what I said months ago, and was ridiculed for. MX Sports' announcement of the 2014 USADA test program to racers a week before Glen Helen did not allow for a reasonable period to apply for TUEs for existing legitimate prescriptions. The USADA / WADA TUE process can take up to 4 months. As a consequence, no outdoor drug testing results were going to be valid and enforceable for 2014.
26:12 in the broadcast. Exactly what I said months ago, and was ridiculed for. MX Sports' announcement of the 2014 USADA test program to racers a week before Glen Helen did not allow for a reasonable period to apply for TUEs for existing legitimate prescriptions. The USADA / WADA TUE process can take up to 4 months. As a consequence, no outdoor drug testing results were going to be valid and enforceable for 2014.
I've almost reached the point that I think moto will just always fit in more with the entertainment field as opposed to the professional sports field.
A knee jerk reaction to spend money in a way that could only harm the sport! It's ok to do things slow in this regard, they know how to be slow in many things, like raising rider payouts!
The Shop
Why did the AMA decide to go this route? It's beyond me. I think the accusations were getting piled on. Tony might have been the most visibly vocal person screaming about PED's but you know there were some other heavy hitters pressing the issue too.
1. Does having drug testing bring in more outside sponsorship dollars and create a larger fan base? Why? Proven Examples?
2. Does having a sport with a credible drug testing program in place seen as value to outside sponsors?
The benefit from my view for drug testing is for the younger riders/their families / trainers as a deterrent to use performance enhancing drugs while maintaining "cleanliness" at the top level. A very worthwhile cause.
Not sure how incurring more expenses from a promoters point of view leads to higher payouts. Just saying. I really don't have an answer. Every kid can own a baseball, basketball, soccer ball, bicycle, football, but how many own motorcycles? Most things start from the ground up, and the foundation has gotten much smaller since the recession.
If you use an organization for your Doping Tests, are their rules the only rules to follow in regards to punishment?
Is it possible to make rules that won't affect the sport so badly, although the consequences are steep enough to adhere to the given policies?
If Championship contender rider missed 3-4 races(instead of a year or two) due to violating the rules, he would not have a chance of winning a championship and most likely not even a top three. If a racer outside the top 6 or 7 guys was found guilty, his chances of retaining a top tier ride would be significantly reduced. Some people might call it a slap on the wrist, but jeopardizing a top ride or championship would be enough to discourage the use.
A TUE does take time, and because we announced it three weeks before the first race (not the week of), that's why they waited to test until Colorado, and we were considered a "national"-level as a first-year program by USADA in regards to TUE-related offenses.
Regardless, any positive test for steroids and blood-doping or any other illegal item that could not be defended by a TUE would have resulted in that person being immediately penalized. No one failed a test for that sort of PED.
Next year, it all counts from the start, full-status, and not having a TUE in time for something like a prescribed medication will not be a defense with USADA or WADA.
DC
MX Sports
Let's face it DC, the Stewart situation has demonstrated that something was wrong in the implementation OR they are just plain ignorant to the facts of the testing
rooobie roobie roooooo
We held an open meeting at Glen Helen on Friday for all riders and teams, invited them to set up personal meetings with race and testing officials and their team managers and trainers, and each of the top five guys were brought into the trailer with their managers and trainers (if they were available) to discuss what a TUE is, what additives and supplements they may need to check out the ingredients on, and provided a vast website to answer all of their questions.
At some point the athlete and his team have to take responsibility for educating themselves, and we did a lot to help them in these matters.
DC
MX Sports
I do (as an outsider looking in) think this is a waste of energy and resources for Mx.......purely from a business standpoint.
And we did testing because all major teams asked for it, and we will continue.
DC
MX Sports
Pit Row
Sorry, so you mean you guys didn't test till Colorado to give time to get TUEs sorted if need be?
And if so, did no one fail because TUEs were successfully lodged? Or did no one test positive at all regardless?
I'm pretty sure I read/listened to something saying that potentially James was thought to have tested positive again at Colorado for the same or similar thing....Maybe JT/Weege/Matthes mentioned it in a pod? But there was the thing of once you test positive it's all on hold till the first is resolved...
Is it chicken or egg? And why did he cross the road?
"We never have time to do it right, But we always have time to redo it"
Fickle.
I mean you're a student of history right.....lol.
James didn't race the MEC Voluntarily ? And what about the whole deal with getting IV's between moto's ?
Seems about that time James and Malcolm both stopped racing.
Again, there was a late ramp-up because implementing the program took a great deal of time and resources, but I believe we did it right and it will be even better and easier to understand moving forward. But the WADA test results from way back in April and the FIM's provisional suspension brought into question the jurisdiction of that organization over a non-FIM series and the legal concepts of due process in U.S. law. When the decision was made to allow James to race so long as he had a license, it allowed him to compete in the AMA Pro Racing-sanctioned series. By that point he had a TUE from USADA and he now has one from WADA, for the same prescribed medication. What happens from here is up to the hearing that I believe is coming any day now, and I personally am hopeful we will see him back on the gate in January.
But back to the initial point: Regardless of what was said on PulpMX last night (and I am sure Steve had some sources that understood this differently than the reality of the process) the tests were valid and the penalties would have been valid for anyone who failed a USADA test (blood and urine) and either of the two races that they tested, for HGH, steroids, doping or any other of PED infractions that were beyond the prescription level.
DC
MX Sports
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