jeffro503
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It does! It really does!
If you're an American , French , Great Britain , Australia, Russia, Sweden, ....or any other team that isn't Germany or Belgium.....sit right down and start stuffing your cake hole. BUT....if you're a proud American like me.......you get the biggest helping because we talked the most shit ( some of us on here anyways )......
So dig right in and swallow it down with a big ol' cup of pride.
" I think " we did great this past weekend with a 3rd O/A......some of you others don't see it that way and start slamming on Roger , the riders...the whole team.......it really sucks to read that! I see that we were on par with most of the other riders out there......but AC , Herlings , Roczen , Leok and a few others gave us and everyone else a clinic on how to ride in sand.
AC and Herlings weren't only on a different level....they were on a different planet!
Some really dumb excuses floating around through all these threads......and some of you guys need to learn how to swallow a little pride and admit we were out classed this past weekend.
Everyone else had to eat the humble pie over the past 7 years....it's our turn now......so live with it....and get ready to keep eating for the next 363 more days.
Hey.....look on the bright side dudes....we have next year.....this year just wasn't ours to be had. The German's and Belgians rode their ass off and deserve it.
And BTW......Italy and the Netherlands get a pass! AC and Herlings rode well enough that their countries deserve it!
Flame suit on.
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Man, your butt really seems to hurt...
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It was tough to watch but we got beat, simple as that.
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jeffro503
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jeffro503 wrote: It does! It really does!
If you're an American , French , Great Britain , Australia, Russia, Sweden, ....or any other team that isn't Germany or Belgium.....sit right down and start stuffing your cake hole. BUT....if you're a proud American like me.......you get the biggest helping because we talked the most shit ( some of us on here anyways )......
So dig right in and swallow it down with a big ol' cup of pride.
" I think " we did great this past weekend with a 3rd O/A......some of you others don't see it that way and start slamming on Roger , the riders...the whole team.......it really sucks to read that! I see that we were on par with most of the other riders out there......but AC , Herlings , Roczen , Leok and a few others gave us and everyone else a clinic on how to ride in sand.
AC and Herlings weren't only on a different level....they were on a different planet!
Some really dumb excuses floating around through all these threads......and some of you guys need to learn how to swallow a little pride and admit we were out classed this past weekend.
Everyone else had to eat the humble pie over the past 7 years....it's our turn now......so live with it....and get ready to keep eating for the next 363 more days.
Hey.....look on the bright side dudes....we have next year.....this year just wasn't ours to be had. The German's and Belgians rode their ass off and deserve it.
And BTW......Italy and the Netherlands get a pass! AC and Herlings rode well enough that their countries deserve it!
Flame suit on.
brappster wrote: "If you're an American , French , Great Britain , Australia, Russia, Sweden, ....or any other team that isn't Germany or Belgium."
It was Germany, Belgium, and America that were on the podium, everyone else gets to stuff the hole. We did not walk away from the race with the trophy we wanted but we got one. The world has been outclassed by the Americans for years, the last 7 in a row, nothing to be ashamed of there. I watched Caroli lose to Dungey and Short, and he was the world champ. It is great that the Germans won, Roczen had a lot to do with that. Congrats, but just because we had a bad hair day and hit the podium atwith a 3rd does not mean we need to eat crow. I know I'm not. It is unrealistic to think the Americans can win every MXON.
I agree to a point. This mainly goes towards guys that were saying there was no way we were going to lose.....and our guys were going to lap Herlings and AC. It goes to the guys who are " Still " in denial about the whole thing.
Like I said....I am very proud of what our guys did. Then I read through some of these threads here , and there are " Americans" slamming on Bagget , Barcia and RD.
Barcia did the best of the three.......and RD and Bagget are returning former Champions ( RD helped us win 3 of them for Pete's sake )........and yet there are people on here slamming on him and the rest of our team? Saying Roger didn't know how to pick a team and so forth?
Katoom72 : maybe you misunderstood what i said above? If you re-read it , you'll see were on the same side here.
My slam was on the " Butt-hurt" Americans that can seem to comprehend that we lost fair and sqaure , and keep trying to make excuses of why we lost.
Bottom line........be gracious in defeat. It is what a true champion does. Learn from it and come back stronger next time.
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*starts slow clap
thats a first for me, seeing an american graciously admit defeat. kudos to you sir and better luck next year
hopefully Canada gets their shit together and puts in a team for next year
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Here ya go Jeff, take 2 and call me in the morning
Just trying to help ya out and get through this tough time dude.
Crush
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I for sure thought the USA would win and really a lot of that was I thought Dunge would do better... He's normally great in the sand, I think people are saying the track was the main factor, but he's better than that, I really think he didn't have a good day, the track might not have mattered...
Logic for this is he's had Barcia pretty much covered each time they've lined up and Barcia looked way faster...
In fact I've never seen Dunge go backwards... Ever.
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No doubt about it that we got outrun hands down. Before the race I never said one thing negative because you never know what can happen out there when we are on their home turf.
Jeffro,Look on the bright side,we have won it more times then them and chances are that we will get the next one and I doubt that when they come over here to race us on our home turf they will beat us.
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Said it wasn't going to be a cake walk for Team USA, but no one wanted to hear it.
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I think we knew it wasn't going to be a cakewalk. It never is. But not many of us expected to be that outgunned. We were. A tip of the cap to Cairoli, Roczen and Herlings in particular. I hope the rumors of him coming over in the next few years are true. And I think Roczen will be much better this year than last.
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It's not hard to 'own' something when there is no other option. Being gracious in defeat as opposed to what,,,, showing your butt, making excuses, blaming whomever? That just fuels the victors celebration and most everyone knows it so, it's not that difficult to say, 'yeah, we got spanked.' is it? Being gracious in victory,,,,maybe that's tougher. Especially when it goes your way a lot. Maybe, we have become overconfident. Even arrogant. In the future, when we're speculating on the outcome, I think I'll try to remember this loss and say, you know what,,,,, pride goeth before the fall.
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flarider wrote: Said it wasn't going to be a cake walk for Team USA, but no one wanted to hear it.
wow, going out on a limb......if we step back and look at it objectively, we still could have won that. No one was beating AC or Herlings for the individual races, but Dungey didnt ride up to his standards and once again Baggett let us down. Barcia gets a 5-3 if his wheel doesn't lock up on the last lap(and yes its his own fault, much like its was Cairoli's fault last year and in Italy). He still managed a 14th which tied BB for the worst score and Baggett didnt have a mechanical or any issues in that moto did he? If Bagget and Dungey rode up to their standards, we had just as good a chance to win it..
No excuses. The Germans and Belgiums were better. We got Third. For any other country that is a great day, but our standards are so much higher that its a bitter disappointment for most.....That is the price of success and domination.
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Exactly! The other teams had their usual bad luck, except Germnay ... lol
Lupino got injured in the go -karting race, breaking a ligament in his hand otherwise I am sure he would have got better than 25th in the moto he finished.
US actually got a bit lucky to be on the podium.
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flarider wrote: Said it wasn't going to be a cake walk for Team USA, but no one wanted to hear it.
Huckster wrote: wow, going out on a limb......if we step back and look at it objectively, we still could have won that. No one was beating AC or Herlings for the individual races, but Dungey didnt ride up to his standards and once again Baggett let us down. Barcia gets a 5-3 if his wheel doesn't lock up on the last lap(and yes its his own fault, much like its was Cairoli's fault last year and in Italy). He still managed a 14th which tied BB for the worst score and Baggett didnt have a mechanical or any issues in that moto did he? If Bagget and Dungey rode up to their standards, we had just as good a chance to win it..
No excuses. The Germans and Belgiums were better. We got Third. For any other country that is a great day, but our standards are so much higher that its a bitter disappointment for most.....That is the price of success and domination.
kev472 wrote: You seem to forget that the other teams had there problems too
Belgium had a DNF with van Horebeek (mechanical)
Italy had a DNF with Lupino
Holland had a DNF with Coldenhoff
And both Herlings and de Reuver crashed at the start of moto 3
That's what I call objective
I pointed this out on another thread and got reamed ,Italy was missing David P and Lupino ( ineffective and injured beforehand) rode race 3 with a separated shoulder popped back and his hand injury and still took a 25th, If he had finished in the top 19 ( his usual) then USA was knocked off the podium, France was missing it's 2 top riders ( Frossard and Pourcel) and still within a easy position to knock off the USA, Netherlands had the DNF but that's Coldenhoff's track also so a 12th or better for him and that would have knocked the USA off the podium, I consider the USA"s 3rd a gift and really nothing they could call "Earned", Just a gift of racing misfortune.
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flarider wrote: Said it wasn't going to be a cake walk for Team USA, but no one wanted to hear it.
Huckster wrote: wow, going out on a limb......if we step back and look at it objectively, we still could have won that. No one was beating AC or Herlings for the individual races, but Dungey didnt ride up to his standards and once again Baggett let us down. Barcia gets a 5-3 if his wheel doesn't lock up on the last lap(and yes its his own fault, much like its was Cairoli's fault last year and in Italy). He still managed a 14th which tied BB for the worst score and Baggett didnt have a mechanical or any issues in that moto did he? If Bagget and Dungey rode up to their standards, we had just as good a chance to win it..
No excuses. The Germans and Belgiums were better. We got Third. For any other country that is a great day, but our standards are so much higher that its a bitter disappointment for most.....That is the price of success and domination.
kev472 wrote: You seem to forget that the other teams had there problems too
Belgium had a DNF with van Horebeek (mechanical)
Italy had a DNF with Lupino
Holland had a DNF with Coldenhoff
And both Herlings and de Reuver crashed at the start of moto 3
That's what I call objective
I never said other nations didnt have bad luck as well....All I said is that we could have been in it. In the end we werent and thats all that matters.....
I guess you decided to ignore the last paragraph were I said the Germans and Belgiums were better?
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a lot has changed in European motocross, every child scrub's these days
Germany will be too early but many 85cc talent already signed a factory contract
within a few years most European countries have three strong riders
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kev472 wrote: No but I love the fact that you said "we still could of won that"
Objectively,so could of 4 other nations
But you seemed to look past that fact
and I said that they couldnt have won it where? Why are you reading into my posts? I am not looking past anything. I was specifically talking about Team USA in response to flarider's post.
steed 2.0 wrote: a lot has changed in European motocross, every child scrub's these days
Germany will be too early but many 85cc talent already signed a factory contract
within a few years most European countries have three strong riders
That's true, Did you watch the FIM race spectacular at Matterley Basin? The 85's were amazing on the full GP track, and your are correct that they are being groomed and signed by the factories, The 125 class is the breeding ground and expect to see many of those kids going direct to MX2, The last crop of Roczen, Herlings,Charlier,Coldenhoff,Tixier,Kullas,Walkner,Gercar...etc is only a small stream compared to what's coming and as the FIM combines these classes more into the GP schedule it'll blossom, the future looks bright
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I wouldn't worry about this too much. Yeah it sucks to lose the streak, but sand and mud are the two great equalizers. That's the two conditions/surfaces where you can specialize in and just be tons better than everyone else.
Having said that, if Barcia hadn't gotten his wheel chopped in the 2nd moto, it would have made things really interesting in that 3rd moto. That's racing though and on one day, anything can happen.
They played the consistency card too much. Way too much. Dungey especially didn't look like he was trying to win until that 3rd moto. The ONLY time you should ever not go try to win the race is in the 3rd moto when you know exactly what you need to do to win. Playing the consistency card from moto 1 just doesn't work. It's like they admitted defeat for moto wins before they even took the track (all except Barcia anyway, and what do you know he was our best rider).
The Germans will be extremely tough to beat next year at their home track and with the red plates. There's no doubt in my mind that the US will again be the favorites, but if you think the Germans aren't here to stay, then you're wrong. Congratulations to them. They all three rode awesome.
