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To not see the top 10 of American racers is a complete joke. Think of all the guys who DIDN'T get to race because of the skewed system on MXoN teams.
Its time to change the format. Start a points system that rewards the entire years racing so the top 12-15 guys qualify. Allow 2-4 or 6 captains picks. Bubba races (as a captains pick), Morais races, Wiemer races, Alessi races.... the list goes on and ON. wake up people!
Next.... fund the damn thing. Allow the top american's (based on whole year points system) race against the top non-americans (also whole year points) stop the country madness!
Lining up one country, belguim or spain or italy or england against the American depth is a complete joke. Absolute joke. Wake the hell up.
Make this race mean something. Line 20 top Americans against 20 top NON-AMERICANS, and lets go at it.
Wake up!! This race in it's current form is a laugh fest. Only a true idiot would cheer this "AMERICAN" win.
Its time to change the format. Start a points system that rewards the entire years racing so the top 12-15 guys qualify. Allow 2-4 or 6 captains picks. Bubba races (as a captains pick), Morais races, Wiemer races, Alessi races.... the list goes on and ON. wake up people!
Next.... fund the damn thing. Allow the top american's (based on whole year points system) race against the top non-americans (also whole year points) stop the country madness!
Lining up one country, belguim or spain or italy or england against the American depth is a complete joke. Absolute joke. Wake the hell up.
Make this race mean something. Line 20 top Americans against 20 top NON-AMERICANS, and lets go at it.
Wake up!! This race in it's current form is a laugh fest. Only a true idiot would cheer this "AMERICAN" win.
Im saying next year, with Pourcel, Musquin and Paulin, France will be tough to beat and if thats tough, don't even think about leirop the year after.
American dominance, year in year out, depends on the lack of depth on a country by country basis. Townley taking down Short is the only way to give the non-americans a chance. My-oh-My... as an american, YUCK!! This race... In It's current form is a JOKE!
I see nothing to cheer as an American. American depth beating up poor... poor latvia. WOW!!! Let me wrap myself in a flag. This year is nothing more than a Dungey parade lap. Everyone watching and hoping his bike doesn't quit or he doesn't fall down. YUCK!!!
This race is a JOKE!
The Shop
It amazes me this is not obvious. It's a lousy race. The drama is completely manufactured, with nationalism run amok. People are blinded that a real contest COULD be waged. I don't take anything away from Dungey-Short-Canard. The form of this race is a joke, and those who support it are wasting thier money, year in-year out.
Only dolts and idiots think this is a real American victory.
Why not make it a real contest? Level the playing field. Top 20 (or so) Americans vs top 20 non Americans in a series of knock-out motos. Nationalism is served, American fair play is served, MX racing is served.
Without it? Count me out, it's a FARCE!!! Only stupid people think this was a real contest.
Why suddenly are the top 20 Americans the only riders you think the world wants to see?
Apart from Dungey, Canard , Villopoto, Short, Barcia etc, there isn't a lot of depth in US motocross at the moment, which is why the national top ten, particularly in the lites class is dominated by imported riders.
It is a WORLD Team championship and yes a lot of countries don't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning, but they have every right to be there!
Stick to watching WWF, NASCAR and Baseball World Series if all you are interested in is seeing homegrown talent.
I find it awesome that teams can compete against each other every weekend of the MX season and band together as a team for this race. The true joke is the lack of TV coverage and horrible live internet coverage.
Apparently there's enough to add an "etc."
Depth on an individual nation basis is relative. Five top talents may still be more than a smaller nation has.
MX1
1 5 Ryan Dungey
2 24 Brett Metcalfe
3 29 Andrew Short
4 101 Ben Townley
5 800 Mike Alessi
6 55 Kyle Chisholm
7 33 Josh Grant
8 46 Ryan Sipes
9 41 Kyle Regal
11 1 Chad Reed
12 23 Justin Brayton
13 10 Thomas Hahn
14 14 Kevin Windham
15 122 Daniel Reardon
16 32 Kyle Cunningham
17 35 Matthew Goerke
18 26 Michael Byrne
19 18 David Millsaps
20 42 Ben Evans
vs
1 222 Cairoli, A.
2 25 Desalle, C.
3 19 Philippaerts, D.
4 2 Nagl, M.
5 11 Ramon, Steve
6 40 Leok, Tanel
7 121 Boog, Xavier
8 9 de Dycker, Ken
9 39 Guarneri, D.
10 777 Bobryshev, E.
11 22 Goncalves, Rui
12 6 Coppins, J.
14 8 Swanepoel, G
15 90 Pourcel, S.
16 10 Boissiere, A.
17 702 Albertson, J.
18 7 Barragan, J.
19 14 de Reuver, M.
20 331 Aubin, Nicolas
MX2
1 38 Trey Canard
2 28 Tyla Rattray
3 377 Christophe Pourcel
4 108 Dean Wilson
5 17 Justin Barcia
6 243 Eli Tomac
7 20 Broc Tickle
8 21 Blake Wharton
9 577 Martin Davalos
10 49 William Hahn
11 12 Jake Weimer
12 200 Cole Seely
13 36 Darryn Durham
14 19 Tommy Searle
15 341 Nico Izzi
16 87 Les Smith
17 61 Vince Friese
18 50 Alex Martin
19 31 Matthew Lemoine
20 48 Max Anstie
vs
1 1 Musquin, M.
2 94 Roczen, Ken
3 183 Frossard, S.
4 338 Osborne, Zach
5 34 Roelants, Joel
6 111 Herlings, J.
7 23 Tonus, Arnaud
8 11 Simpson, Shaun
9 89 van Horebeek, J.
10 21 Paulin, G.
11 151 Kullas, Harri
12 430 Charlier, C.
13 45 Nicholls, Jake
14 77 Lupino, A.
15 335 Verbruggen, D.
16 91 Karro, Matiss
17 37 Teillet, V.
18 35 Larsen, N.
19 170 Leib, Michael
20 75 Triest, Nick
But, can you imagine trying to figure out the points, and which team is leading?
It's hard enough as it is.
Maybe they should also split the Olympics up have a USA team sent, A European team, and Asian team, a team from China, A combined Commenwealth team, dont worry about national pride for the rest of the countries!!!
It is called the MXoN for a reason, it is a race of Country V Country a team race where the best from each country come to race, and it should NEVER change.
Want to see the top American riders race, watch the freeking great AMA series you already have! Want to watch the top Euros battle it out Watch the World GPs!,
If you dont like the concept of the MXoN dont watch it, leave the rest of us to enjoy it, better yet enjoy the American run of wins, it will not always last, they will be beaten again one day and it only takes a generation of top riders from one country to come along and it will be someone elses turn to dominate for awhile.
This is where the whole argument/debate always gets totally confused because which series is best and which country has the best riders are two completely different things.
Pit Row
Just for the record, I'm not saying that it will take bad luck to beat the US. France's team next year and 2012 looks really good. If Ramon can stay at a top level and VanHorebeek (sp?) steps it up just a bit, they could beat us. If Germany finds a MX3 rider.
Yes, it would be fun to watch the race order you listed. No, they should not change the MXoN, which is the best race of the year. If MXoN is a joke, WTF is supercross?
If Americans want to race in an individual world championship they know where to come...
A ryder cup style European born riders v American (not AMA v FIM) born riders would be great... but not to replace the MXDN it would be in addition to it.
there's more where that came from
top 10 MX2 European riders v top 10 American riders
top 10 MX1 European riders v top 10 American riders
then you could have 10 ROW riders MX2 and MX1
2 35 plus 2lap motos... in their separate classes. 30 riders on each gate...simples.. or the USA guys could just race the GPs.....just a thought.
You make it sound like team america completey dominated and nobody else was even close. Go take another look at the results!
MX1 Dungey
MX2 Roczen
MX3 Desalle Doesn't look like an american white wash to me?
The reason america do so well is that you have enough talent to be able to take 3 riders all capable of top 5 in their respective class, even after faster riders have missed selection with injury. Lots of countries only have 1 or maybe 2 such riders. The overall difference between Dungey, Townley, Cairoli, Desalle etc is very small, they are all capable of winning or getting on the podium. But it's the 2nd and 3rd riders that other teams seem to be missing. France, Belgium, Australia, New Zealand, Germany and Italy all had riders that could or did win, but don't have the depth to secure top places in the other classes.
I don't think the overall speed of the fastest men from any country (or series) is greater than the ohter, just that america seems to have a lot more of them at the moment.
(Yes I'm aware of RV in 2007 winning, but in general)
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