Let's be serious here...

Braap19 wrote:

I had the chance to ride every major brands 2017 250fs this last week. Except TM. (For reference I am a top 5 B rider at...

I had the chance to ride every major brands 2017 250fs this last week. Except TM. (For reference I am a top 5 B rider at most any AMA race)

Honest opinion after about 25 laps on each bike...

They are all about the same.

Major differences I could feel is the ergonomics, the sound and power delivery. (If anyone has any questions about any bikes specific item like power delivery or turning I'll try to answer)

So my question is, based upon my experience on completely stock suspension on completely stock bikes that are set at the completely stock clicker settings, how are you guys finding differences in the bikes suspension's to nitpick about? I really couldn't find anything to complain about even without changing a single clicker.

All the bikes I did motos on handled about the same, soaked up bumps about the same and did everything the suspension is supposed to do. They all worked flawlessly to my experience.

My average lap times were within a second or two on each bike with exception of being faster on the Kawi 250 by around 3.5 seconds a lap. (I ride kawis lately so I was immediately comfortable on the bike) I was slowest on the Yamaha surprisingly, I could never get comfortable on it, I felt too tall to grab with my knees.

Also I thought the stock Honda sounded the best.

I thought the KTM was the nicest overall packaged bike I rode even though I was not the fastest on it.

I felt the Kawasaki had the best motor package but worst brakes but by so very little that it didn't matter. This is just because I am used to the power delivery, there are other bikes that are faster.


But really, how do you guys find little shit to nitpick about ever bike? Like air shocks vs spring and whatnot. I couldn't tell the difference really if I'm being honest and I don't think most of you can either.

Ask me some questions about them. I don't know what you guys want to know.

Braap19 wrote:

The RMZ was the motor I felt was lacking extremely. A Jump I was clearing easily in the bottom of fourth gear on other bikes, I...

The RMZ was the motor I felt was lacking extremely. A Jump I was clearing easily in the bottom of fourth gear on other bikes, I kept coming up short on with the RMZ, lap after lap to the point where I quit jumping it for that moto and just scrubbed and doubled it.

I had the thought it may have been a gearing issue from other bikes and maybe that's why but after riding another bike and riding the RM after, it definitely is lacking in motor. It felt like going from a 250 to a clapped out moped.

Braap19 wrote:

I had the chance to ride every major brands 2017 250fs this last week. Except TM. (For reference I am a top 5 B rider at...

I had the chance to ride every major brands 2017 250fs this last week. Except TM. (For reference I am a top 5 B rider at most any AMA race)

Honest opinion after about 25 laps on each bike...

They are all about the same.

Major differences I could feel is the ergonomics, the sound and power delivery. (If anyone has any questions about any bikes specific item like power delivery or turning I'll try to answer)

So my question is, based upon my experience on completely stock suspension on completely stock bikes that are set at the completely stock clicker settings, how are you guys finding differences in the bikes suspension's to nitpick about? I really couldn't find anything to complain about even without changing a single clicker.

All the bikes I did motos on handled about the same, soaked up bumps about the same and did everything the suspension is supposed to do. They all worked flawlessly to my experience.

My average lap times were within a second or two on each bike with exception of being faster on the Kawi 250 by around 3.5 seconds a lap. (I ride kawis lately so I was immediately comfortable on the bike) I was slowest on the Yamaha surprisingly, I could never get comfortable on it, I felt too tall to grab with my knees.

Also I thought the stock Honda sounded the best.

I thought the KTM was the nicest overall packaged bike I rode even though I was not the fastest on it.

I felt the Kawasaki had the best motor package but worst brakes but by so very little that it didn't matter. This is just because I am used to the power delivery, there are other bikes that are faster.


But really, how do you guys find little shit to nitpick about ever bike? Like air shocks vs spring and whatnot. I couldn't tell the difference really if I'm being honest and I don't think most of you can either.

Ask me some questions about them. I don't know what you guys want to know.

Braap19 wrote:

If I had to rank overall bike, not including my comfort level on them. I would go KTM Yamaha Husky Kawasaki Honda Suzuki Now if I...

If I had to rank overall bike, not including my comfort level on them. I would go

KTM
Yamaha
Husky
Kawasaki
Honda
Suzuki

Now if I were to rank them as to how likely I would purchase one, with respect to cost and parts and overall likeability of the bike it would be, for me at least,

Kawasaki
KTM
Honda
Yamaha
Husky
Suzuki


Now if I rank them by motor, overall packaging

Yamaha
KTM
Husky
Kawasaki
Honda
Suzuki

Braap19 wrote:

If I had to rank overall bike, not including my comfort level on them. I would go KTM Yamaha Husky Kawasaki Honda Suzuki Now if I...

If I had to rank overall bike, not including my comfort level on them. I would go

KTM
Yamaha
Husky
Kawasaki
Honda
Suzuki

Now if I were to rank them as to how likely I would purchase one, with respect to cost and parts and overall likeability of the bike it would be, for me at least,

Kawasaki
KTM
Honda
Yamaha
Husky
Suzuki


Now if I rank them by motor, overall packaging

Yamaha
KTM
Husky
Kawasaki
Honda
Suzuki

Braap19 wrote:

The RMZ was the motor I felt was lacking extremely. A Jump I was clearing easily in the bottom of fourth gear on other bikes, I...

The RMZ was the motor I felt was lacking extremely. A Jump I was clearing easily in the bottom of fourth gear on other bikes, I kept coming up short on with the RMZ, lap after lap to the point where I quit jumping it for that moto and just scrubbed and doubled it.

I had the thought it may have been a gearing issue from other bikes and maybe that's why but after riding another bike and riding the RM after, it definitely is lacking in motor. It felt like going from a 250 to a clapped out moped.

Lawrence929 wrote:

So one bike was so much slower you couldn't jump something but they all ran the same?

GTFO

Braap19 wrote:

I said about the same, what it lacked in power on sections like that, it made up for it in the turning area.

kkawboy14 wrote:

If I'm 3.5 seconds faster on a bike, that's the bike for me. That's a big differance

WRH wrote:

If I were to buy brand new.. a 2015 KX450F for 5899. or a 2016 KTM250sx for 6099. Which one do I get? 57 Y.O. at...

If I were to buy brand new.. a 2015 KX450F for 5899. or a 2016 KTM250sx for 6099. Which one do I get? 57 Y.O. at 240lbs. It will be use to ride and use for exercise to further reduce my weight. And just roost around.

Braap19 wrote:

The RMZ was the motor I felt was lacking extremely. A Jump I was clearing easily in the bottom of fourth gear on other bikes, I...

The RMZ was the motor I felt was lacking extremely. A Jump I was clearing easily in the bottom of fourth gear on other bikes, I kept coming up short on with the RMZ, lap after lap to the point where I quit jumping it for that moto and just scrubbed and doubled it.

I had the thought it may have been a gearing issue from other bikes and maybe that's why but after riding another bike and riding the RM after, it definitely is lacking in motor. It felt like going from a 250 to a clapped out moped.

Lawrence929 wrote:

So one bike was so much slower you couldn't jump something but they all ran the same?

GTFO

Braap19 wrote:

I said about the same, what it lacked in power on sections like that, it made up for it in the turning area.