KTM sells more 250/300 two strokes than anything

The Rock
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Just got my new MXA and read this. The new 2017 250 SX only weighs 211 pounds. Put a 300 kit on it and sign me up.

Given KTM sells the most bikes of any OEM, this two stroke sales factoid is even more telling.
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My 300XC is the best bike I've ever purchased. Though, my 525EXC is a very very close second
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It's just too bad the Jap's won't pull their heads out of the sand
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I went to the KTM ride day and rode the 300...liked it

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The thing that you don't get about a 300 till you ride one, its not a big 250, its a small 500.

The delivery is totally different to a 250 , much more manageable and fun to ride.

We run a TM300 SMX in German supermoto, and its will run with a good 450 in a straight line with just a pipe and port work . And im 225 pounds., so its not like I have a weight advantage.
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8/3/2016 12:55am Edited Date/Time 8/3/2016 12:57am
kiwifan wrote:
I went to the KTM ride day and rode the 300...liked it
Wasn't that a Katie Perry song "I rode a 300 and I liked it"

PhilG knows of what he speaks
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8/3/2016 2:03am Edited Date/Time 8/3/2016 2:06am
A few years ago my local KTM dealer told me he could easily sell many more 2-strokes than 4-strokes, but KTM limits the number of 2's they gave him each year because they're trying to push 4-strokes. Said KTM will send all the 4's he wants. He begs for more 250 & 300 2-strokes each year, but KTM supposedly doesn't want to hear of it. Not sure if this is common for all dealers, but I was a little surprised to hear it.
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I've been riding for about 28 years and got the 16 300XC this past February. Hands down best bike I've ever owned. Granted I now do mostly woods. It still works when I get to tracks but you do have to be precise with jumping due to it being soft. In the woods though it's unreal. Can't imagine owning a different bike.
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8/3/2016 4:42am Edited Date/Time 8/3/2016 4:43am
300 top ends last forever too especially if you're in the woods Whistling

Now anyone have 10k laying around I can borrow? I promise I'll pay it back




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The Rock wrote:
Just got my new MXA and read this. The new 2017 250 SX only weighs 211 pounds. Put a 300 kit on it and sign me...
Just got my new MXA and read this. The new 2017 250 SX only weighs 211 pounds. Put a 300 kit on it and sign me up.

Given KTM sells the most bikes of any OEM, this two stroke sales factoid is even more telling.
Does this include enduro? Looking at what i see over here at the motocross track (races & practice) i would estimate that they sell the KTM 125 SX at least 3 to 5 times as many as the 250 SX.
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8/3/2016 5:53am
The evil plan to get everyone on 4stks is falling apart, the truth shall set you free, stop cheating and sell that 4strk.
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8/3/2016 5:59am
Maybe a little off topic but what are the EMX class guys running? YZs with big bores or modded KTM300XCs?
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Frodad78 wrote:
Maybe a little off topic but what are the EMX class guys running? YZs with big bores or modded KTM300XCs?
Mostly KTM, 30% Yamaha, plus the rare TM or Suzuki.
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8/3/2016 6:10am Edited Date/Time 8/3/2016 6:14am
The same story at Beta. Top seller is the low priced (and seat height) and gentle 300 Xtrainer with oil injectiion, then the 300rr's which are typically pre sold and finding one in stock can be very tough.
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Frodad78 wrote:
Maybe a little off topic but what are the EMX class guys running? YZs with big bores or modded KTM300XCs?
Sas Squach wrote:
Mostly KTM, 30% Yamaha, plus the rare TM or Suzuki.
I wonder if that 300XC jug bolts on to the 250SX?
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8/3/2016 6:39am
Our local dealer let us borrow one for the day for our vid.
Big mistake, all the guys wanted to do was take the bike out for a ride.
In all seriousness, there are enough 2T loyalists that will support a company like
KTM that has done VERY well giving the consumer what they want, but if they had to split the pie
5 ways (red, blue,green, yellow, orange) not sure they could still invest the kind of money they do.
Can you imagine just 15 years ago how insignificant KTM was to what they are now?
How can anyone not be impressed by what they have done?

https://youtu.be/rrlMCQxHVCY
8/3/2016 6:44am
I rode a i think 94 or 95 300 . Wow that was a crazy fast bike. Would love to try a 16.
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Frodad78 wrote:
Maybe a little off topic but what are the EMX class guys running? YZs with big bores or modded KTM300XCs?
Sas Squach wrote:
Mostly KTM, 30% Yamaha, plus the rare TM or Suzuki.
Frodad78 wrote:
I wonder if that 300XC jug bolts on to the 250SX?
Yes it does. KTM sells the kit.
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Wow censorship... U are truly clueless... U just love to regurgitate whatever the marketing machines tell u...
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Sas Squach wrote:
Mostly KTM, 30% Yamaha, plus the rare TM or Suzuki.
Frodad78 wrote:
I wonder if that 300XC jug bolts on to the 250SX?
3D wrote:
Yes it does. KTM sells the kit.
The 300XC cylinder will fit on to the motocross 250SX but there are some slight differences in the cylinder. The motocross specific kit for the 250SX is different than just taking a 300cc cylinder from an XC.

Some part numbers:

SXS12300000 - Motocross specific 300cc kit for the KTM 250SX (2007-2013)

SXS12300100 - 300cc kit for converting a 250 XC/XC-W into a 300 XC-W. (2008-2015), Husqvarna TE 250 14-16, Also fits Husaberg TE 250 11-15.

SXS14300000 - Motocross specific 300cc kit for the KTM 250SX (2014-2016) or Husqvarna TC250 '14-16.
8/3/2016 8:11am
I don't think anyone is denying that 4 strokes especially the 450 out perform the 2 stroke MX options.
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I get some of what you're saying but I don't think it's really that simple.

I'm a member of the 2-stroke taliban. Have always owned a 2-stroke, will continue to buy one until I'm dead, and simply can not comprehend how anyone would choose a 4-stroke over a 2-stroke.

That said, I agree with you on this part. The market still wants 4-strokes, and if a 4-stroke makes you happier than a 2-stroke, I am all for it.

However, you can not deny that the market is pushed heavily towards 4-strokes from all angles: No 2-strokes in pro racing, no advertisements, no R&D (except KTM/Husky and boutique brands), CC advantage,...The list goes on.

I'm not saying 2-strokes would become dominant again, but if here was no 4-stroke propaganda, the 2-stroke market share would would grow exponentially.

As for technology...Please remember that thousands of people are still buying brand new 10+ year old YZ250's to this day, because it is a great race bike.
The current RM-Z450 is now 9 years old.. How many 2017 models will you see at your local track? I'm guessing not many. People look at that bike like it's a dinosaur. My point is, 'technological advancement' in MX Bikes is directly related to which other bike you're comparing it to.
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8/3/2016 8:55am
Totally agree. Spent the first 20 years of my moto life on two strokes . Haven't owned one for 10 years. Recently completely rebuilt a YZ250 for myself as a second bike. Rode it three times and sold it! Yah it was fun. Yah It was nostalgic. But guess what, I couldn't wait to get back on my YZ450!! hahaha The 2 stroke has it's place in the market, but for a die hard go fast on the moto track guy like me? 450 4 stroke all the way!! All that being said, I'm currently restoring an '87 CR250. I figure if I'm gonna ride a 2T for nostalgic purposes, might as well get a nostalgic bike!
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8/3/2016 9:27am
You will realize that logic and facts are no match for nostalgia! Lol. You won't win this argument with the die hards! Every time I start thinking about getting another two stroke I have to remind myself how they rattle, smoke and stink. They got fuck all for low end power, always fanning the clutch, shitty fuel economy and range. Once I think about all those negatives it makes it much easier to leave the past in the past!
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8/3/2016 9:35am
I am getting two more two strokes. TE300 and TC125. Can't have enough of them two strokes.
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I agree that there are people, may be a great many, that prefer the four stroke to two-stroke, but some of your arguments here or a little flawed. I am not knocking the 4T or anyone who rides, and prefers them, but I am willing to bet if there was no cc advantage, the majority of pros would be racing the 2T. The problem is they are not allowed to, and thereby don't. The cc advantage killed the two stroke, and I wish they would change the rules to make it equal displacement, but they never will.

As to 4Ts being more expensive, yes their initial purchase is within a few hundred dollars, but the cost of maintenance, and repairs are exponentially greater, and that is the reference to them being cheaper.

I agree today there are more 4Ts sold than 2Ts overall, but isn't that a factor of what the manufacturers, and race associations are pushing? How did we get here? The AMA allowed a significant cc advantage to the 4ts, so every manufacturer jumped on board, because how could any rider compete with what was essentially a 50% reduction in cc's? If Yamaha doesn't have that advantage, racing a 400 versus 250's, and instead had to compete equal displacement, does the 4stroke even come about in MX racing? All the R&D money that went into developing these 4 strokes could have been spent pushing the 2T even further ahead then where it is today. And yet even with their dated Technology, the race associations won't allow a 250 two stroke to go head to head with a four stroke, because the 10 year old technology would still probably have the advantage.

I have no problem with people riding what they prefer. It's great that there is choice, but to say that the 4 stroke is not a direct product of what the manufacturers want you to ride is just not true.
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8/3/2016 9:52am
I didn't read the MXA article but I thought this was only true considering all off-road and mx models that KTM sells. I could be wrong but the mx only sales are probably different.
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EEE299 wrote:
300 top ends last forever too especially if you're in the woods :whistle: Now anyone have 10k laying around I can borrow? I promise I'll pay...
300 top ends last forever too especially if you're in the woods Whistling

Now anyone have 10k laying around I can borrow? I promise I'll pay it back




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quoted for truth

my 300 currently has over 2600 miles and about 150 hours on the same top end. she's ready for a refresh, no doubt, but it's unreal the life-span. i don't think my YZ250 ever made it past 20 hours without needing to be replaced.

i've done a 1400 mile trip and a 280 mile trip on it. the rest have been 80-100 mile rides all variable speeds and some highway thrown in for good measure.

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