James Stewart: How do you think this plays out?

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Edited Date/Time 4/15/2015 10:24am
Yep, the appeal is done, and we should have an answer by the 15th. In talking with some folks this weekend, apparently one thing that the FIM was really unhappy about was that James kept racing after they handed down the provisional suspension, and that they found it "disrespectful," even though there was nothing in the rules that would have prevented him from continuing to race.

It also sounds like all the other hurdles have been cleared, and that there's now a mechanism now to allow for a retroactive TUE.

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CR250Rider 4/12/2015 10:40pm
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Hopefully we see him out there racing VERY SOON.

Are there guidelines for disrespectful behavior? lol
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Grizz 4/12/2015 10:42pm
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Damn, I've never read anything about the FIM that made me think, "I really like them and what they're doing."
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JM485 4/12/2015 10:46pm
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Seems a little unprofessional to base a major decision off of a few people being butt hurt, but maybe it's just me.
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GuyB wrote:
Yep, the appeal is done, and we should have an answer by the 15th. In talking with some folks this weekend, apparently one thing that the...
Yep, the appeal is done, and we should have an answer by the 15th. In talking with some folks this weekend, apparently one thing that the FIM was really unhappy about was that James kept racing after they handed down the provisional suspension, and that they found it "disrespectful," even though there was nothing in the rules that would have prevented him from continuing to race.

It also sounds like all the other hurdles have been cleared, and that there's now a mechanism now to allow for a retroactive TUE.

it will be interesting, since the CAS court was the one that handed Ant West the big ban after FIM handed out a small one which lead to the big suspension for James,

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KennyT 4/12/2015 10:57pm
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I think we will see him in August.
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Rotaholic 4/12/2015 11:07pm
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As long as he is on the gate at Washougal round 8, cause im flying out from New Zealand to see him. Actually he will probably be out injured by round 8 if he gets the all clear
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bvm111 4/12/2015 11:20pm
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Oh boo friggity hoo FIM!

Edit: I do not have any faith in the system regarding all of this Wanda/usada kangaroo court stuff... I think he is out until August but hope we see him at the first round!
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zehn 4/12/2015 11:25pm
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I expect to see JS7 line up for Hangtown on May 16th.
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JM485 wrote:
Seems a little unprofessional to base a major decision off of a few people being butt hurt, but maybe it's just me.
This.
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Xeno 4/12/2015 11:35pm
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Why was John Gallagher wearing an AMA shirt on the podium at Houston? I thought he works for the FIM?
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jeffro503 4/12/2015 11:44pm
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JM485 wrote:
Seems a little unprofessional to base a major decision off of a few people being butt hurt, but maybe it's just me.
Dx3moto wrote:
This.
This again. They should not be using anyone's personal feelings in the matter , just the same as what a real court room should do. Follow the evidence , or lack of evidence and go with guilty or non-guilty. I'm with the other guys that said " I hope we see James at Hangtown! ". Lets get this thing over with , either good or bad.
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kongols 4/12/2015 11:55pm
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I hope he sues the shit out of FIM for this whole fiasco.
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agn5009 4/13/2015 12:16am
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kongols wrote:
I hope he sues the shit out of FIM for this whole fiasco.
I want James out there as much as anyone but sue them for what? They have established guidelines that they follow. This isn't a witch hunt like some believe.
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harescrambled 4/13/2015 12:43am
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GuyB wrote:
Yep, the appeal is done, and we should have an answer by the 15th. In talking with some folks this weekend, apparently one thing that the...
Yep, the appeal is done, and we should have an answer by the 15th. In talking with some folks this weekend, apparently one thing that the FIM was really unhappy about was that James kept racing after they handed down the provisional suspension, and that they found it "disrespectful," even though there was nothing in the rules that would have prevented him from continuing to race.

It also sounds like all the other hurdles have been cleared, and that there's now a mechanism now to allow for a retroactive TUE.

As long as they follow their own rules and precedents, it shouldn't matter if he did something disrecpectful
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kiwifan 4/13/2015 1:03am
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kongols wrote:
I hope he sues the shit out of FIM for this whole fiasco.
agn5009 wrote:
I want James out there as much as anyone but sue them for what? They have established guidelines that they follow. This isn't a witch hunt...
I want James out there as much as anyone but sue them for what? They have established guidelines that they follow. This isn't a witch hunt like some believe.
this!
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FIREfish148 4/13/2015 1:30am
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The inconvenience of the whole thing is to blame really. What was he supposed to say? "Hey guys I know we budgeted for the whole summer already, but I think there's a pretty good chance I shouldn't race."? Then he whole team Suzuki is left out to dry for the summer? I have a feeling James would have been more willing to just sit out if they had Bagget on the team during the summer. The guy is/was under contract to race, it's time to let him.

This is two seasons of competition that he has missed out on because he didn't file his TUE. C'mon FIM throw the kid a bone.

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kongols 4/13/2015 1:53am
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kongols wrote:
I hope he sues the shit out of FIM for this whole fiasco.
agn5009 wrote:
I want James out there as much as anyone but sue them for what? They have established guidelines that they follow. This isn't a witch hunt...
I want James out there as much as anyone but sue them for what? They have established guidelines that they follow. This isn't a witch hunt like some believe.
The whole process was handled very poorly to say the least.
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jamma10 4/13/2015 2:21am
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kongols wrote:
I hope he sues the shit out of FIM for this whole fiasco.
agn5009 wrote:
I want James out there as much as anyone but sue them for what? They have established guidelines that they follow. This isn't a witch hunt...
I want James out there as much as anyone but sue them for what? They have established guidelines that they follow. This isn't a witch hunt like some believe.
kongols wrote:
The whole process was handled very poorly to say the least.
I'd like to know why James' Physician didn't highlight the potential risks involved when prescribing Adderall in the first place!

Presumably they knew that they were prescribing a particularly controversial, amphetemine based medication to a high profile sports star worth millions of dollars?

Im also intrigued to know why a keen sports fan - which James is - could have ignored the growing number of scandals involving Adderall in the NFL and Baseball and not have the foresight to approach the FIM, AMA or Feld to confirm that his own usage was permitted.
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ChrisB10 4/13/2015 2:38am
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i feel like we wont know by the 15th. This will drag on again
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kongols wrote:
I hope he sues the shit out of FIM for this whole fiasco.
Sue them for what?

Finding him a cheat for not abiding by the sports drugs policy and not filing the correct paperwork?

Picking on him, because he's a black athlete in a mainly white man's sport?

Singling him out cos he does the best scrubs?

Seriously Kongols, your statement has to be the stupidest I've read on Vital for ages!WinkTongue
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Markee 4/13/2015 2:55am
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agn5009 wrote:
I want James out there as much as anyone but sue them for what? They have established guidelines that they follow. This isn't a witch hunt...
I want James out there as much as anyone but sue them for what? They have established guidelines that they follow. This isn't a witch hunt like some believe.
kongols wrote:
The whole process was handled very poorly to say the least.
jamma10 wrote:
I'd like to know why James' Physician didn't highlight the potential risks involved when prescribing Adderall in the first place! Presumably they knew that they were...
I'd like to know why James' Physician didn't highlight the potential risks involved when prescribing Adderall in the first place!

Presumably they knew that they were prescribing a particularly controversial, amphetemine based medication to a high profile sports star worth millions of dollars?

Im also intrigued to know why a keen sports fan - which James is - could have ignored the growing number of scandals involving Adderall in the NFL and Baseball and not have the foresight to approach the FIM, AMA or Feld to confirm that his own usage was permitted.
James said his team knew nothing about a TUE. He was prescribed adderall and told them he was using it, thinking that was enough on Steve's podcast last week. I would have more questions on how this was handled on the other side. I'm no expert, but the NFL, NBA, Baseball etc... are not under the WADA deal and its book of codes, so its believable a high end sports doctor prescribing adderall to James would not know to say "now James, you need to go fill out your TUE ok?".

But to the original question. I have no faith in this operation, I think his penalty will stand. I think time has been served and everyone in the sport has got the message at James Stewart's expense. So I "hope" the CAS takes that in consideration and he is on the line at Hangtown.
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Wait a second the FIM is pissed because he continued racing? it is not up to the organisation of the sport that has signed up to WADA to decide whether he can ride or not during the investigation? if a rider/athlete has the OK to ride/compete he/she will do so.

In Australia a football team was under investigation for 2 years and they continued and did not miss a game.

I fail to see how it's James fault here for continuing to ride.
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jamma10 4/13/2015 3:44am
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kongols wrote:
The whole process was handled very poorly to say the least.
jamma10 wrote:
I'd like to know why James' Physician didn't highlight the potential risks involved when prescribing Adderall in the first place! Presumably they knew that they were...
I'd like to know why James' Physician didn't highlight the potential risks involved when prescribing Adderall in the first place!

Presumably they knew that they were prescribing a particularly controversial, amphetemine based medication to a high profile sports star worth millions of dollars?

Im also intrigued to know why a keen sports fan - which James is - could have ignored the growing number of scandals involving Adderall in the NFL and Baseball and not have the foresight to approach the FIM, AMA or Feld to confirm that his own usage was permitted.
Markee wrote:
James said his team knew nothing about a TUE. He was prescribed adderall and told them he was using it, thinking that was enough on Steve's...
James said his team knew nothing about a TUE. He was prescribed adderall and told them he was using it, thinking that was enough on Steve's podcast last week. I would have more questions on how this was handled on the other side. I'm no expert, but the NFL, NBA, Baseball etc... are not under the WADA deal and its book of codes, so its believable a high end sports doctor prescribing adderall to James would not know to say "now James, you need to go fill out your TUE ok?".

But to the original question. I have no faith in this operation, I think his penalty will stand. I think time has been served and everyone in the sport has got the message at James Stewart's expense. So I "hope" the CAS takes that in consideration and he is on the line at Hangtown.
Actually nevermind.

I have my own theory about what might have happened but dont want to get into a big discussion about it all over again, I wasted too much of my life talking about it last time Smile

Bottom line is I hope Stewart is able to race outdoors.
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jamma10 wrote:
I'd like to know why James' Physician didn't highlight the potential risks involved when prescribing Adderall in the first place! Presumably they knew that they were...
I'd like to know why James' Physician didn't highlight the potential risks involved when prescribing Adderall in the first place!

Presumably they knew that they were prescribing a particularly controversial, amphetemine based medication to a high profile sports star worth millions of dollars?

Im also intrigued to know why a keen sports fan - which James is - could have ignored the growing number of scandals involving Adderall in the NFL and Baseball and not have the foresight to approach the FIM, AMA or Feld to confirm that his own usage was permitted.
Markee wrote:
James said his team knew nothing about a TUE. He was prescribed adderall and told them he was using it, thinking that was enough on Steve's...
James said his team knew nothing about a TUE. He was prescribed adderall and told them he was using it, thinking that was enough on Steve's podcast last week. I would have more questions on how this was handled on the other side. I'm no expert, but the NFL, NBA, Baseball etc... are not under the WADA deal and its book of codes, so its believable a high end sports doctor prescribing adderall to James would not know to say "now James, you need to go fill out your TUE ok?".

But to the original question. I have no faith in this operation, I think his penalty will stand. I think time has been served and everyone in the sport has got the message at James Stewart's expense. So I "hope" the CAS takes that in consideration and he is on the line at Hangtown.
jamma10 wrote:
Actually nevermind. I have my own theory about what might have happened but dont want to get into a big discussion about it all over again...
Actually nevermind.

I have my own theory about what might have happened but dont want to get into a big discussion about it all over again, I wasted too much of my life talking about it last time Smile

Bottom line is I hope Stewart is able to race outdoors.
It's so easy to get sucked back into that same old argument. I think we could all argue till we're blue in the face.

I hope we see him on the line in the outdoors also!
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Ask rick M, he has inside info...
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It was disrespectful for them to handle the situation the way that they did..
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ChrisB10 wrote:
i feel like we wont know by the 15th. This will drag on again
Exactly... They handled the situation so poorly
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Xracerdone 4/13/2015 5:13am
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As much as i like James I have no sympathy here. Anyone with a job that does randomS knows prescriptions for ADD or barbiuates will trigger a positive and you better have had your script into HR prior and they wont accept a retroactive script.. which is why so many call bullshit, don't tell me his team didn't know this

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