Interesting heart rate stuff from tonight

GuyB
Posts
35700
Joined
7/10/2006
Location
Aliso Viejo, CA US
Fantasy
1215th
Edited Date/Time 10/23/2013 10:26am
Check out this shot of Ken Roczen from the final main. This gives you an idea of how gnarly these guys are. A heart rate of 190? That's pretty wild. I talked to someone last week that said his rider is usually at about 200 bpm during a main event.

Any way, if you've used a heart rate monitor before, you know how hard you're working when it's that high.

|
Grizz
Posts
3110
Joined
7/2/2012
Location
Los Angeles, CA US
10/19/2013 10:56pm
I'm more interested in that bar pad... That's what happens to mine from racing, but you would think factory KTM would put a new one on?
GuyB
Posts
35700
Joined
7/10/2006
Location
Aliso Viejo, CA US
Fantasy
1215th
10/19/2013 10:59pm
I could probably get you a deal on that one. The roost on the start straight was pretty gnarly.
10/19/2013 11:00pm
Holy crap how did his bar pad get so shreded? Did he crash or was that from roost? If roost did that... Ouch.
Nighttrain
Posts
2631
Joined
12/5/2011
Location
Charleston, SC US
10/19/2013 11:02pm
Without knowing his max heart rate, 190 is still likely at or over 90%. Those guys are spending the entire moto in a anaerobic state. Pretty amazing.

The Shop

WhipMeister
Posts
5092
Joined
8/15/2006
Location
Big D, TX US
Fantasy
4434th
10/19/2013 11:07pm
They really need to put real time HRM telemetry on the telecast. It would rope in a new audience who've always figured it was like riding a lawn tractor. That and G's would drive the physical aspect home. JMO.
MX45
Posts
1099
Joined
11/14/2008
Location
Phoenix, AZ US
10/19/2013 11:16pm
I was in the stands and I think my heart rate was close to that! Great racing tonight!
Brent
Posts
5308
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Party in Temecula, CA US
10/19/2013 11:18pm
HR max is 220 minus your age, right?
689
Posts
804
Joined
12/10/2010
Location
AU
10/19/2013 11:24pm
Yes 220 minus your age is a good guide. Not 100% correct however
Nighttrain
Posts
2631
Joined
12/5/2011
Location
Charleston, SC US
10/19/2013 11:24pm
Brent wrote:
HR max is 220 minus your age, right?
That's a rough guideline but genetic factors effect the max HR. The MHR number does not mean much toward fitness but what percentage of the MHR an athlete can maintain before going anaerobic is a major factor.
Motodave15
Posts
4260
Joined
8/7/2010
Location
Temple City, CA US
10/19/2013 11:25pm
Hold up, We can zoom in on kennys watch and see his heart rate... But nobody can get quality shots of chad reeds bike, at a test track,.... Im claiming shenanigans!!!

On another note, I Will be trying to ride at my max heart rate tomorrow at milestone.

Unreal pic btw gibby.
jeffro503
Posts
27442
Joined
7/22/2007
Location
St Helens, OR US
10/19/2013 11:46pm
I think Kens MHR rate would probably be up around 200-205 with the condition he is in. It's not "super hard" to get your heart rate up to the maximum for a short period........but a whole SX main or a 30min + 2 lap race at 90-95% is friggin' brutal!! It just goes to show what kind of conditioning these guys can be in. I've always wanted to be able to look at a HRM graph of someone like RD , RV and so forth for an entire race. Would be really , really interesting to study.
jock
Posts
1591
Joined
9/25/2006
Location
Postmans Ridge, QLD AU
Fantasy
1st
10/19/2013 11:56pm
GuyB wrote:
Check out this shot of Ken Roczen from the final main. This gives you an idea of how gnarly these guys are. A heart rate of...
Check out this shot of Ken Roczen from the final main. This gives you an idea of how gnarly these guys are. A heart rate of 190? That's pretty wild. I talked to someone last week that said his rider is usually at about 200 bpm during a main event.

Any way, if you've used a heart rate monitor before, you know how hard you're working when it's that high.

Awesome Instamatic pic Gibby. Laughing
lostboy819
Posts
11520
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
Somewhere, CO US
Fantasy
1342nd
10/20/2013 12:40am
Damn, when my heart rate was 190 I ended up in the hospital for a week because my heart was in A-Fib.
TomZ
Posts
707
Joined
7/24/2008
Location
West Bloomfield, MI US
Fantasy
4428th
10/20/2013 5:48am
Brent wrote:
HR max is 220 minus your age, right?
That theoretical number works in a general sense. Athletes tend to blow those theories away.
I am 51 yrs old so in theory my MHR should be about 170. In a 5k race I can hold a steady 174-177 HR (appx 19-20mins). My max HR is 190 on a pretty good day. Roughly the same HR in a 20 min moto as well but have to back down a bit to avoid death.

The point being that conditioning, genetics and will power can make a huge difference in each person.

I think what is really lost in this post is that these elite athletes not only maintain a crazy heart rate but in MX/SX you are performing highly athletic feats that require enormous concentration while at that high heart rate. Unlike running which requires a minimum level of coordination, racing a motorcycle requires a huge level of concentration while operating over 90% MHR. If you have done hard core interval training you know your brain is not thinking really well when you are tapped out...........now try going REALLY fast on your bike while in that state...........pretty awesome. A mental lapse in a running race means you stumble, a mental lapse in MX and the Asterisk crew carries you off the track.

Huge respect for what these guys do. I wish more was made of this in the broadcasts. The idea of putting this telemetry on the TV screen and explaining it to the fans would be great.
slipdog
Posts
10044
Joined
7/25/2009
Location
Nor Cal, CA US
10/20/2013 5:55am
Brent wrote:
HR max is 220 minus your age, right?
Nighttrain wrote:
That's a rough guideline but genetic factors effect the max HR. The MHR number does not mean much toward fitness but what percentage of the MHR...
That's a rough guideline but genetic factors effect the max HR. The MHR number does not mean much toward fitness but what percentage of the MHR an athlete can maintain before going anaerobic is a major factor.
Exactly, the 220-age guide is not even close for me, I'm 40 and my average when I moto is in the high 180's to low 190's. My monitor doesn't record a max, but when I'm over exerted and have to back down I'll usually look to see where I'm at and this summer the highest I saw was 202.

What I find interesting is, when I began road bike riding again back in May(sacking on exercise the last few years) my resting HR dropped from the mid 60's to the low 50's by July.
Crush
Posts
20962
Joined
4/26/2009
Location
Sydney AU
10/20/2013 5:58am
They really need to put real time HRM telemetry on the telecast. It would rope in a new audience who've always figured it was like riding...
They really need to put real time HRM telemetry on the telecast. It would rope in a new audience who've always figured it was like riding a lawn tractor. That and G's would drive the physical aspect home. JMO.
That would be sick!

But you're talking about a sport that has athletes and teams that won't divulge if someone has the flu! No way they'd release TOP SECRET info like that hahaha...
tmauto769
Posts
718
Joined
12/25/2011
Location
TN US
Fantasy
1001st
10/20/2013 6:02am
44 here and my HR during a 15min moto was low 145, avg 171, hi 198.
Tim507
Posts
3147
Joined
6/8/2010
Location
Oregon City, OR US
10/20/2013 7:22am
I us my HRM all the time......on my bicycles and in the gym...not so much on my dirt bike. At 61 I try to keep my HR in the gym about 120 plus for a good cardio workout. On my bicycles push it up to the high 140 to mid 150. I have no need to go to my max or even consider going anaerobic.
For me the goal is to maintain a strong heart that will take me years into the futureSmile I have had several heart scans as PM and some blockage has always shown up.....however by working my heart muscle extensively all these years the cardiologist says that the extra blood flow helps to keep build up down.

For the pro mx ride my guess is that SX gets them the highest HR readings and outdoors a bit less.

For those that do understand anaerobic ....this is when the demand for fuel is so excessive that the body starts getting fuel from the consumption of muscle.
level
Posts
6185
Joined
8/27/2006
Location
Acworth, GA US
10/20/2013 7:28am
I ride 1 to 2 laps around my track in my back yard and I have to stop because my heart is beating so fast. ha. It's amazing how quick it climbs.
captmoto
Posts
5153
Joined
4/22/2009
Location
Rancho Cucamonga, CA US
10/20/2013 7:38am
HR is related some what to your body size too. Men have slightly slower heart rates than women. Women slightly slower than little kids. I know I don't push my heart rate unless I'm racing. It's too easy to back down in a gym or even on my bicycle. I've seen 146 for about 12-15 minutes on an elliptical trainer screen for what that's worth. At 56 y.o. I'd probably scare myself at 160+.
newmann
Posts
24444
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
US
10/20/2013 7:53am
Damn kids. That's about what my son was clocking last week while running. He had a max 195. Of course he's extremely fit unlike me. Myself? There was a pool of sweat starting to from around the treadmill while the doc was trying to get my heart rate up to 170 for a stress test. I told him, "we're gonna be here a while". Treadmill was damn near vertical when I told them they might just want to unplug it and let me turn it over manually. My resting heart rate is 32-34 bpm.
holeshot100
Posts
1176
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
Billings, MO US
10/20/2013 7:55am
Brent wrote:
HR max is 220 minus your age, right?
TomZ wrote:
That theoretical number works in a general sense. Athletes tend to blow those theories away. I am 51 yrs old so in theory my MHR should...
That theoretical number works in a general sense. Athletes tend to blow those theories away.
I am 51 yrs old so in theory my MHR should be about 170. In a 5k race I can hold a steady 174-177 HR (appx 19-20mins). My max HR is 190 on a pretty good day. Roughly the same HR in a 20 min moto as well but have to back down a bit to avoid death.

The point being that conditioning, genetics and will power can make a huge difference in each person.

I think what is really lost in this post is that these elite athletes not only maintain a crazy heart rate but in MX/SX you are performing highly athletic feats that require enormous concentration while at that high heart rate. Unlike running which requires a minimum level of coordination, racing a motorcycle requires a huge level of concentration while operating over 90% MHR. If you have done hard core interval training you know your brain is not thinking really well when you are tapped out...........now try going REALLY fast on your bike while in that state...........pretty awesome. A mental lapse in a running race means you stumble, a mental lapse in MX and the Asterisk crew carries you off the track.

Huge respect for what these guys do. I wish more was made of this in the broadcasts. The idea of putting this telemetry on the TV screen and explaining it to the fans would be great.
Well said...Nice post ......instead of the usual dribble on here.
Roscoe33
Posts
942
Joined
12/10/2009
Location
London CA
10/20/2013 8:03am
689 wrote:
Yes 220 minus your age is a good guide. Not 100% correct however
if you live on the couch and your resting heart rate is 72 of a mere mortal vs gifted elite MX pro racer with a resting heart rate in the low 30's.
level
Posts
6185
Joined
8/27/2006
Location
Acworth, GA US
10/20/2013 8:10am Edited Date/Time 10/20/2013 8:11am
Not being in shape is one of a few reason I don't ride much anymore and my track is collecting weeds and my bike dust. I just can't ride not being in shape. For one I feel it's just not safe. It's my own damn fault and not enjoying my bike because of it. May need to just hang it up. Getting kinda old-40 now. lol
35smom
Posts
1428
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
Asbury US
10/20/2013 8:17am
689 wrote:
Yes 220 minus your age is a good guide. Not 100% correct however
Roscoe33 wrote:
if you live on the couch and your resting heart rate is 72 of a mere mortal vs gifted elite MX pro racer with a resting...
if you live on the couch and your resting heart rate is 72 of a mere mortal vs gifted elite MX pro racer with a resting heart rate in the low 30's.
After Hangtown 2012, Dr. Navarro suggested Joey go to the hospital for 2 IV's on his drive to Freestone (he suffered Heat Exhaustion the first round)). They stopped outside of Phoenix and Joey called me in a panic. The ER doctor told him he had something wrong with his heart as his resting heart rate was 34, and he should stay for testing. I quickly looked it up on the internet, and told him it was fine. Scary for a 17 year old, and me! Now I read and learn as much as possible.
Gabriel J
Posts
367
Joined
11/15/2011
Location
MA US
10/20/2013 8:38am
190bpm is on par with what I would do for a 20min moto...But the HUGE difference is I'm traveling at 1/5th their speed so the bike is fighting me more because it wants to tip over than because I'm scrubbing 100ft jumps at 65mph.....

I use the HRM on road/mountain biking, running, and moto. Moto easily gives me the highest overall average heart rates for an activity, with running coming a close second. I have had a 200bpm average for 2miles at the finish of a road race, which was the highest I have personally been able to do. Running at your heart's redline is exponentially easier than trying to pilot an MX bike at your heart's redline, that for sure! These guys are amazing
motokid40
Posts
846
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
Sacramento, CA US
10/20/2013 8:45am
I'm 57 and the highest I've had mine is 170!
jeffro503
Posts
27442
Joined
7/22/2007
Location
St Helens, OR US
10/20/2013 10:03am
Let me ask you guys this..........

If a guy was wanting to train cardio to help in his MX performance ( say like 20 min motos ) and he wanted to be able to push to about 90% MHR........what would be your training schedule for that?

Do you train in the gym to hit about 90%.....or more? And if you were training for 20 min motos.......what is the duration you would train at? Like an hour every other day , every day. Should you push past that 90% on your workouts?

Post a reply to: Interesting heart rate stuff from tonight

The Latest