Impossible to compare eras....or is it?

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We always talk about who was better in their prime, MC vs JS7, Hannah vs MC, etc......and we always say it's impossible to say because there is no way to tell. Well, what if someone was to build say 5 exact replica tracks from the 93 supercross season or something like that. Then get 20 bikes from that time built to the same specs that the race bikes were back then and have the top 20 racers from today race all 5 tracks.

All the races from back then are recorded and on file and so are the lap times. If todays racers go out and beat all those lap times by like 5 or 6 seconds a lap and just blow away the times from the old race, then we can say that todays racers have progressed and are a lot faster than the guys back then, but if it's closer, we would have a pretty could argument on our hands. Or maybe I just took a few to many vicodins this morning and my mind is wandering a little.
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You've been doing a little boozin have ya? Been sipping grandpa's cough syrup?

You would think with technology today we could just simulate a race and put all the greats up against each other and see what happens.
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Impossible to do, unfortunatly its not like say F1 racing where they race on the exact same courses over the years and they can hold track record lap times.
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ocscottie wrote:
Impossible to do, unfortunatly its not like say F1 racing where they race on the exact same courses over the years and they can hold track...
Impossible to do, unfortunatly its not like say F1 racing where they race on the exact same courses over the years and they can hold track record lap times.
That's true, I guess you would have to have years of records at the exact same track rather than a supercross track that changes every year.
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Would be a great execrise, but the tracks in the late 70's thru to the early 90's weren't groomed anywhere near how they are today - and that in itself would be a heap of time per lap .

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Maybe in the next THQ MX vs. ATV game we can have a legends race.
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you would have to make the riders slack up on training and spend their time during the week at the lake doing beer bongs, then we could get a true comparison.
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Some of you get really bored don't you?
You have no idea.
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I would say the higher speeds are more a product of the equipment than anything. Guys like Ward, Bailey, Johnson etc. were in as good shape and just as strong as any of the riders today for example. I think they would be top riders now just like they were then. Its not like say football where today the athletes are clearly bigger, stronger and faster than their predecessors.
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I would say the higher speeds are more a product of the equipment than anything. Guys like Ward, Bailey, Johnson etc. were in as good shape...
I would say the higher speeds are more a product of the equipment than anything. Guys like Ward, Bailey, Johnson etc. were in as good shape and just as strong as any of the riders today for example. I think they would be top riders now just like they were then. Its not like say football where today the athletes are clearly bigger, stronger and faster than their predecessors.
i was somewhat joking.. guys like bailey, johnny o, wardy were for sure in shape. Hell, they were runnin 45 min motos outdoors. I was more refering to the mid/late 90's..MC and Fro and others who werent known as the hardest trainers
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I've got 27 points so far.
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jasonv43 wrote:
I've got 27 points so far.
Is that "Wash Out" by the way?
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Torco1 wrote:
We always talk about who was better in their prime, MC vs JS7, Hannah vs MC, etc......and we always say it's impossible to say because there...
We always talk about who was better in their prime, MC vs JS7, Hannah vs MC, etc......and we always say it's impossible to say because there is no way to tell. Well, what if someone was to build say 5 exact replica tracks from the 93 supercross season or something like that. Then get 20 bikes from that time built to the same specs that the race bikes were back then and have the top 20 racers from today race all 5 tracks.

All the races from back then are recorded and on file and so are the lap times. If todays racers go out and beat all those lap times by like 5 or 6 seconds a lap and just blow away the times from the old race, then we can say that todays racers have progressed and are a lot faster than the guys back then, but if it's closer, we would have a pretty could argument on our hands. Or maybe I just took a few to many vicodins this morning and my mind is wandering a little.
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Torco1 wrote:
We always talk about who was better in their prime, MC vs JS7, Hannah vs MC, etc......and we always say it's impossible to say because there...
We always talk about who was better in their prime, MC vs JS7, Hannah vs MC, etc......and we always say it's impossible to say because there is no way to tell. Well, what if someone was to build say 5 exact replica tracks from the 93 supercross season or something like that. Then get 20 bikes from that time built to the same specs that the race bikes were back then and have the top 20 racers from today race all 5 tracks.

All the races from back then are recorded and on file and so are the lap times. If todays racers go out and beat all those lap times by like 5 or 6 seconds a lap and just blow away the times from the old race, then we can say that todays racers have progressed and are a lot faster than the guys back then, but if it's closer, we would have a pretty could argument on our hands. Or maybe I just took a few to many vicodins this morning and my mind is wandering a little.
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Pinch
I'll go ahead and mark that down under the stupid idea column.
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jasonv43 wrote:
I've got 27 points so far.
Torco1 wrote:
Is that "Wash Out" by the way?
Jim 'Wash Out' Pfaffenbach
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jasonv43 wrote:
I've got 27 points so far.
Torco1 wrote:
Is that "Wash Out" by the way?
jasonv43 wrote:
Jim 'Wash Out' Pfaffenbach
My mother was a Pfaffenbach.
11/10/2010 2:17pm
ocscottie wrote:
Impossible to do, unfortunatly its not like say F1 racing where they race on the exact same courses over the years and they can hold track...
Impossible to do, unfortunatly its not like say F1 racing where they race on the exact same courses over the years and they can hold track record lap times.
Torco1 wrote:
That's true, I guess you would have to have years of records at the exact same track rather than a supercross track that changes every year.
That's still a stretch though. Drivers of the 70's had nowhere near the aero dependency they have now or sequential shift gearboxes among many other things. Different drivers for a different era. The driving styles were nothing like they are now due to the different characteristics of the car. Motocross is much the same.
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Torco1 wrote:
Is that "Wash Out" by the way?
jasonv43 wrote:
Jim 'Wash Out' Pfaffenbach
Torco1 wrote:
My mother was a Pfaffenbach.
Not Doreen Pfaffenbach? Then we're cousins!!!
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jasonv43 wrote:
Jim 'Wash Out' Pfaffenbach
Torco1 wrote:
My mother was a Pfaffenbach.
jasonv43 wrote:
Not Doreen Pfaffenbach? Then we're cousins!!!
We used to spend our summers down by Eagle River.
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ocscottie wrote:
Impossible to do, unfortunatly its not like say F1 racing where they race on the exact same courses over the years and they can hold track...
Impossible to do, unfortunatly its not like say F1 racing where they race on the exact same courses over the years and they can hold track record lap times.
Carlsbad is the only track i raced that you could probably compare times from different eras and get a fairly accurate database of laptimes...imho

do you think even stewart or rc or mc or dungey could go as fast as magoo did on the superbikers track almost 20 years ago riding their bikes on today? i highly doubt it scottie my boy...Smile

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