If they wanted to Cheat could the AMA catch them?

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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 11:09am
Traction control, GPS , radios you name it.

Is the AMA and FIM even prepared or capable of catching a Team with JGR's resources cheating ?

I say No
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peelout 1/26/2011 2:48pm
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via the dirt shark video, they couldn't even test hanny's exhaust properly and took away his practice time... i say no way in hell they are capable of handling electronics.
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mxdancer 1/26/2011 3:22pm
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peelout wrote:
via the dirt shark video, they couldn't even test hanny's exhaust properly and took away his practice time... i say no way in hell they are...
via the dirt shark video, they couldn't even test hanny's exhaust properly and took away his practice time... i say no way in hell they are capable of handling electronics.
Hanny wasn't the only guy that lost his practice time.

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Outsider 1/26/2011 4:02pm
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Guess you don't in free anymore huh?
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Outsider wrote:
Guess you don't in free anymore huh?
I don't and it pisses me off.
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Outsider wrote:
Guess you don't in free anymore huh?
oldx wrote:
I don't and it pisses me off.
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NO....they are to worried about sticker locations!
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The AMA at the pro level has been a joke for years now.
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500guy wrote:
Traction control, GPS , radios you name it. Is the AMA and FIM even prepared or capable of catching a Team with JGR's resources cheating...
Traction control, GPS , radios you name it.

Is the AMA and FIM even prepared or capable of catching a Team with JGR's resources cheating ?

I say No
Not sure why you worded it like that.......JGR seems like they are the most vocal team out there warning against all of this.

Now........do you think the AMA and FIM can catch the manufacturer supported teams?

I too say NO.
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no way they can monitor or catch anything electronic or otherwise (PEDS)..
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72kiteboarder 1/26/2011 5:38pm
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Even if they did they would not enforce the rules they have. Unless it is a no-name rider caught cheating.
aFACEdismembered 1/26/2011 10:09pm
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MXTR wrote:
Not sure why you worded it like that.......JGR seems like they are the most vocal team out there warning against all of this. Now........do you think...
Not sure why you worded it like that.......JGR seems like they are the most vocal team out there warning against all of this.

Now........do you think the AMA and FIM can catch the manufacturer supported teams?

I too say NO.
The same team using holeshot devices on their rear linkage. They do some questionable stuff too.
TripleFive 1/27/2011 12:15am
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When's the last time a motor has been protested and tore down?


The reason why JGR is vocal about is is because they have the innovative resources to drastically modify these bikes and make them insanely technical, hell they machine entire suspension components and test them with the suspension machine they use for car shocks. I'd venture to guess they have the best equipment in the pits.
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IceMan446 1/27/2011 12:36am
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Plus JGR comes from NAT-CAR those dudes are all about cheating and not getting caught so who's to say they wouldn't do the same in sx/mx
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if JGR can't even recognise data recording, what makes you think they would even know how to cheat ? TongueLaughingTongueLaughingWoohoo
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JB 19 1/27/2011 1:05am
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Nope. FI needs a crank angle sensor to work properly. This alone makes traction control possible. By measuring the rate of crank speed increase you can determine whether the rear tire is losing traction.



How do you prove that the software tuning the FI is just pulling timing to soften the power or for traction control. Reading the software is totally subjective. That's why every other form of motorsports that has went down this road made it legal.



Motocross would have to integrate suspension sensors to make it work. Guarantee there are computer gurus foaming at the mouth for the chance to take on this challenge.



The guys running the AMA probably don't even know what flashing an ecu means.



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kongols 1/27/2011 2:36am
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MXTR wrote:
Not sure why you worded it like that.......JGR seems like they are the most vocal team out there warning against all of this. Now........do you think...
Not sure why you worded it like that.......JGR seems like they are the most vocal team out there warning against all of this.

Now........do you think the AMA and FIM can catch the manufacturer supported teams?

I too say NO.
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FastEddy 1/27/2011 3:06am
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The AMA has always been about 10 years behind the times. Smile

I don't think they are capable,ask this same question 10 years from now and you may get a different answers. Wink

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ODB 1/27/2011 3:42am
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if they wanted too ........they alreay are ..............just the look on bubbas face when asked should tell us somethings up....JGR,knows like in NASCAR that cheating is dam expensive and they want to eliminate that technology to keep the playing field even..................do we really think that JGR and ALBRECHT don't know whats goin on there...................data aquisition ...what do they do with it all and gps ??????
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MXTR 1/27/2011 5:07am
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MXTR wrote:
Not sure why you worded it like that.......JGR seems like they are the most vocal team out there warning against all of this. Now........do you think...
Not sure why you worded it like that.......JGR seems like they are the most vocal team out there warning against all of this.

Now........do you think the AMA and FIM can catch the manufacturer supported teams?

I too say NO.
aFACEdismembered wrote:
The same team using holeshot devices on their rear linkage. They do some questionable stuff too.
Totally different........that is a perfectly legal mechanical part, not a mysterious electronic part.

Nice try buddy
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I doubt if there is anyone at the AMA who can do much beyond check an email, yet alone check computer code. Current technology allowed the Israelis to disrupt the Iranian nuclear program, so how the hell is the AMA supposed to monitor what is remotely sent to a black box.

Maybe I am old and set in my ways, but how is this going to make racing more fun? When I was a kid, you could buy a beater car or bike, whench on it, and make it usable. Now, if I pop open the hood of my car, I don;t have a clue. Maybe computer geeks are the super wrenches of the future.
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ImTheDude 1/27/2011 6:20am
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why would they even try
when they obviously don't care
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burn1986 1/27/2011 7:12am
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Heck No, expecially not an overbored motor.
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mxrose3 1/27/2011 8:14am
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Nascar uses carburetors to keep things simple, and also to keep people from playing around with sensors illegally. Something the AMA should probably look at doing. Here's one of NASCARS reasonings:

"They have decades of experience in regulating, inspecting and certifying Holley carburetors so they don't want to plow new territory with new fuel systems where the teams might find creative ways to be more competitive than they should be based on untested rules."

ESPN article on carburetors
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sesker15 1/27/2011 9:19am
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NO! AMA does not even know how to check for bore and stroke!

I will say the "random" sound testing they are doing is a step in the right direction! What do you guys think about that?
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Tbill 1/27/2011 9:39am
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When I started racing cars, I got an education on cheating. In car racing cheating is used for many different purposes. Sometimes its political, sometimes you are testing innovations, sometimes a form of obvious cheating is a smoke screen for other cheating on a completely unrelated part of your car. Once they find the obvious cheat, they stop looking. Sometimes it's just plain sport, the mechanics will brag just a little to get everybody (other teams or the media) talking.

Sometimes complaining about another teams cheating can get the inspectors and the media involved and distract the other team from their focus. This hopefully helps you gain an advantage.

Motocross has been pretty straight forward. Maybe the JGR boys are bringing a new dynamic to our sport.

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