I wonder how Kawasaki is feeling...

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….about their ambassadors RV and MC and all the social media about them riding two strokes. They both have been posting about their excitement on ripping around on them. Now don't get me wrong, I'm still down with two strokes of fury and that those boys are digging them as well, but it's hard not to ignore the obvious….Kawasaki doesn't make them in big sizes any more. Sign of things to come?
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10/14/2015 6:25am
Kawasaki doesn't give a shit about selling a few dirt bikes to a bunch of cheapasses.




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10/14/2015 8:07am
Yeah with the size of the stuff Kawasaki makes, I've figured that their motorcycle business was set up as a good place to use up the scrap material from their main business. The casting flash off of some of the big aluminum parts they mold could probably be re-melted and produce several motorcycle engine blocks Smile
10/14/2015 8:17am
Beast666 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/10/14/107984/s1200_p1.jpg[/img]


Good thing Harley doesn't start making planes.
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10/14/2015 8:35am
If you have flown on a Boeing 767, 777, 787 or Embraer 170, 175, 190, 195 you have flown on a plane that Kawasaki made major components produced.

Motorcycles, ATV's, Jet-Ski's are just a drop in the bucket for Kawasaki.
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10/14/2015 9:33am
Beast666 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/10/14/107984/s1200_p1.jpg[/img]


Good thing Harley doesn't start making planes.
Had a tshirt a awhile back that said "if Harley made an airplane would you fly in it?"
Only a couple scraggly ol bikes said yes.
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10/14/2015 10:10am
Brand recognition. Getting green dirt bikes in the news is what it is about. It does not have to be 2T vs 4T.
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10/14/2015 10:41am
probably pretty damn good as they are both doing exactly what a "brand" ambassador should be doing.

funny that you leave out specific words to satisfy your agenda...

or not
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10/14/2015 10:41am
Someone want to tell me how many 2T MX bikes sold in the US, last year?
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10/14/2015 10:53am
TeamGreen wrote:
Someone want to tell me how many 2T MX bikes sold in the US, last year?
You tell us.
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10/14/2015 11:11am
TeamGreen wrote:
Someone want to tell me how many 2T MX bikes sold in the US, last year?
ATKpilot99 wrote:
You tell us.
Well, for comaprison and to show the Tin-Foil-2T guys the actuals...

Yamaha YZ250 Less than 1,400
KTM SX250 Less than 900
Less than 2,300 combined.

Versus...450s...

Yamaha, Kawasaki, Honda, Suzuki, KTM (No Husky data avail, yet)
More than 12,100.

That's 5.3:1 in favor of 450s...

So...where's the reasoning...again...?
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10/14/2015 11:14am
Can't tell if Dumbgeon?
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10/14/2015 11:18am
TeamGreen wrote:
Someone want to tell me how many 2T MX bikes sold in the US, last year?
ATKpilot99 wrote:
You tell us.
TeamGreen wrote:
Well, for comaprison and to show the Tin-Foil-2T guys the actuals... Yamaha YZ250 Less than 1,400 KTM SX250 Less than 900 Less than 2,300 combined. Versus...450s...
Well, for comaprison and to show the Tin-Foil-2T guys the actuals...

Yamaha YZ250 Less than 1,400
KTM SX250 Less than 900
Less than 2,300 combined.

Versus...450s...

Yamaha, Kawasaki, Honda, Suzuki, KTM (No Husky data avail, yet)
More than 12,100.

That's 5.3:1 in favor of 450s...

So...where's the reasoning...again...?
Good question . Those are some pretty poor numbers. How about off road model 2 strokes . XCs etc.
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10/14/2015 11:27am
dunno, but i'd sure like to take a rip on that 2-stroke that RV is riding.

i'm flying full staff just thinking about it
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10/14/2015 11:39am
brocster wrote:
probably pretty damn good as they are both doing exactly what a "brand" ambassador should be doing. funny that you leave out specific words to satisfy...
probably pretty damn good as they are both doing exactly what a "brand" ambassador should be doing.

funny that you leave out specific words to satisfy your agenda...

or not
Brocster, I don't quite follow what you are saying there, specifically 'funny that you leave out specific words to satisfy your agenda...or not'

I have no agenda, just an observation and a thought.

I agree with you that they are doing a great job of bringing attention to the brand, but in this particular case, bringing attention to a product they do not have available.
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10/14/2015 11:46am
I like the two-stroke videos. They're basically two-stroke porn for the guys who are into that kind of thing. Smile
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10/14/2015 11:54am
TeamGreen wrote:
Well, for comaprison and to show the Tin-Foil-2T guys the actuals... Yamaha YZ250 Less than 1,400 KTM SX250 Less than 900 Less than 2,300 combined. Versus...450s...
Well, for comaprison and to show the Tin-Foil-2T guys the actuals...

Yamaha YZ250 Less than 1,400
KTM SX250 Less than 900
Less than 2,300 combined.

Versus...450s...

Yamaha, Kawasaki, Honda, Suzuki, KTM (No Husky data avail, yet)
More than 12,100.

That's 5.3:1 in favor of 450s...

So...where's the reasoning...again...?
I think you're missing the point a little. With the exception of KTM, there isn't a modern 250 two stroke so a lot of people think "why spend 7k on a new yz250 when I can get practically the same bike that's been properly maintained for a third of the price."

On the flip side, people who talk about two strokes being so much cheaper to buy get too caught up in the used bike market and forget how expensive they still are or would be to buy brand new.

Once I switched to a 250f in 2004 I never looked back or thought about riding a two stroke again. That was until the beginning of summer this year when I bought a 2003 KX250 and I absolutely love the thing. I had never owned a 250 two stroke before (was on 125s when the world decisively went thumper) and didn't realize how awesome the motor was! I really don't care about lap times anymore, I don't care about jumping things nobody else does or any of that stuff like I did when I was younger and taking it more serious. Now I just like to have fun, that's it, and a 250 two stroke is a lot of fun on a motocross track. I now rarely ever even ride my four stroke.
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10/14/2015 12:00pm
TeamGreen wrote:
Well, for comaprison and to show the Tin-Foil-2T guys the actuals... Yamaha YZ250 Less than 1,400 KTM SX250 Less than 900 Less than 2,300 combined. Versus...450s...
Well, for comaprison and to show the Tin-Foil-2T guys the actuals...

Yamaha YZ250 Less than 1,400
KTM SX250 Less than 900
Less than 2,300 combined.

Versus...450s...

Yamaha, Kawasaki, Honda, Suzuki, KTM (No Husky data avail, yet)
More than 12,100.

That's 5.3:1 in favor of 450s...

So...where's the reasoning...again...?
Reasoning for what?

450's should sell better than 250 2 strokes. I'm honestly surprised it's only a 5.3:1 ratio when all things are taken into consideration. It is naturally a 5:2 ratio simply based on availability(since Husky #'s aren't available). 450's are better race bikes for pure mx. They are also better at things like desert racing and high speed GNCC style riding if for no other reasoning than fuel economy, traction and stability. I don't think anybody argues that and if they do I don't agree with them. 2 strokes are just exciting and fun race/play bikes that inspire passion and are really simple to work on. It seems to really get under your skin for some reason and I just don't get why?

I also would be interested in if you have the data regarding 250 & 300 xc and xcf bikes? I guess if you had that you might also have info on the 450 offroad bikes as well. It would be interesting to see and I've always wondered why the industry keeps all these numbers under wrap so tightly.
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10/14/2015 12:11pm
TeamGreen wrote:
Someone want to tell me how many 2T MX bikes sold in the US, last year?
ATKpilot99 wrote:
You tell us.
TeamGreen wrote:
Well, for comaprison and to show the Tin-Foil-2T guys the actuals... Yamaha YZ250 Less than 1,400 KTM SX250 Less than 900 Less than 2,300 combined. Versus...450s...
Well, for comaprison and to show the Tin-Foil-2T guys the actuals...

Yamaha YZ250 Less than 1,400
KTM SX250 Less than 900
Less than 2,300 combined.

Versus...450s...

Yamaha, Kawasaki, Honda, Suzuki, KTM (No Husky data avail, yet)
More than 12,100.

That's 5.3:1 in favor of 450s...

So...where's the reasoning...again...?
Pull your data from Craigslist if you want to see 2 strokes dominate the market.

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10/14/2015 12:30pm
ATKpilot99 wrote:
You tell us.
TeamGreen wrote:
Well, for comaprison and to show the Tin-Foil-2T guys the actuals... Yamaha YZ250 Less than 1,400 KTM SX250 Less than 900 Less than 2,300 combined. Versus...450s...
Well, for comaprison and to show the Tin-Foil-2T guys the actuals...

Yamaha YZ250 Less than 1,400
KTM SX250 Less than 900
Less than 2,300 combined.

Versus...450s...

Yamaha, Kawasaki, Honda, Suzuki, KTM (No Husky data avail, yet)
More than 12,100.

That's 5.3:1 in favor of 450s...

So...where's the reasoning...again...?
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Good question . Those are some pretty poor numbers. How about off road model 2 strokes . XCs etc.
Also,Craigslist numbers could make this interesting...
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10/14/2015 12:45pm
RCB33 wrote:
Also,Craigslist numbers could make this interesting...
You mean people would rather ride an old 2 stroke versus a shiny new fooper?Shocked
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10/14/2015 12:46pm
TeamGreen wrote:
Someone want to tell me how many 2T MX bikes sold in the US, last year?
And how many 4 strokes are still sitting on the floor collecting dust?
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10/14/2015 12:51pm
What is with this board and this constant pipe dream of pros racing 2 strokes again?

I love 'em too, my personal bike is a 144, but they aren't competitive anymore. Until there's a rule change or a breakthrough in technology, no top guy trying to win a championship isn't going to set him up with a giant disadvantage.

People keep referring to the TWMX Premix teasers and start spouting TWOSTROKES ARE MAKING A CONEBACK GUYZ!!!!
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10/14/2015 12:55pm
I am betting that a 20 yr old two stroke will still run...(because I have one)

I am aldo betting that a 20 yr old four stroke doesn't exist...and won't...

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