I guess Electric Start

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Edited Date/Time 7/21/2015 9:14pm
... might not be all it's cracked up to be.



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I don't the story of what happened, but I'll give you that one and I'll take all the other times where it's awesome
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Febvre's didn't seem to work so hot after his first turn crash last weekend either.
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that honda has a kick back up so there is more to this story
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No electric start, no hydraulic clutch, no sale.

With the weight of batteries available now, it's a no brainer.

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mx836 7/18/2015 6:56am
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I hope they don't start coming with Hydraulic clutches!!! Then I'll have to spend money to put a cable on.
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Ummm.....the prototype Honda also has a KS so there is obviously more to this story...has nothing to do with electric start...
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h&m_cycle wrote:
Well it's a 4 stroke & Honda...
LaughingLaughingLaughing What's the saying? "You can put 24k gold plated wheels on a VW bug but...it's still a bug."
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MxKing809 7/18/2015 9:55am
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DonM wrote:
Ummm.....the prototype Honda also has a KS so there is obviously more to this story...has nothing to do with electric start...
Yeah, and I've heard that it has a Kickstarter so there is probably something else going on........
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h&m_cycle wrote:
Well it's a 4 stroke & Honda...
moto0852 wrote:
LaughingLaughingLaughing What's the saying? "You can put 24k gold plated wheels on a VW bug but...it's still a bug."
Boooyyyyeeeeee!
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mx836 wrote:
I hope they don't start coming with Hydraulic clutches!!! Then I'll have to spend money to put a cable on.
you are joking right ? i rode a 15 yamaha 2 weeks ago and the clutch was shit compared to the KTM , how you ride with a cable is beyond me felt like i was riding a 10 year old bike
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kiwifan 7/19/2015 12:26am
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Waiting for someone to post a picture of Dungey pushing his electric start KTM......a few years back

clearly it doesnt happen to just honda (on a pre-prod development bike no less)
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mx836 7/21/2015 2:13pm
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shanes wrote:
you are joking right ? i rode a 15 yamaha 2 weeks ago and the clutch was shit compared to the KTM , how you ride...
you are joking right ? i rode a 15 yamaha 2 weeks ago and the clutch was shit compared to the KTM , how you ride with a cable is beyond me felt like i was riding a 10 year old bike
No, I'm not joking. It's quite simple really. A cable clutch gives a better feel for the actuation than a hydraulic clutch. Just because I like a cable doesn't mean you have to as well and I'm fully entitled to like whatever I damn feel like.
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shanes wrote:
you are joking right ? i rode a 15 yamaha 2 weeks ago and the clutch was shit compared to the KTM , how you ride...
you are joking right ? i rode a 15 yamaha 2 weeks ago and the clutch was shit compared to the KTM , how you ride with a cable is beyond me felt like i was riding a 10 year old bike
mx836 wrote:
No, I'm not joking. It's quite simple really. A cable clutch gives a better feel for the actuation than a hydraulic clutch. Just because I like...
No, I'm not joking. It's quite simple really. A cable clutch gives a better feel for the actuation than a hydraulic clutch. Just because I like a cable doesn't mean you have to as well and I'm fully entitled to like whatever I damn feel like.
damn right , and this time i agree with you Wink ... cable for better feel

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shanes wrote:
you are joking right ? i rode a 15 yamaha 2 weeks ago and the clutch was shit compared to the KTM , how you ride...
you are joking right ? i rode a 15 yamaha 2 weeks ago and the clutch was shit compared to the KTM , how you ride with a cable is beyond me felt like i was riding a 10 year old bike
I don't like hydro clutches either. I've ridden a new 15.5 factory edition 250f and liked it except for a few things. The clutch was one of them. I also use to have a BBR pitbike with a hydro clutch and didn't care for it. It was hard to feel the engagement of the clutch.
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FreshTopEnd 7/21/2015 2:42pm
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FGR01 wrote:
... might not be all it's cracked up to be. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/07/18/98000/s1200_11041115_893663620701203_4147949921480321570_n.jpg[/img]
... might not be all it's cracked up to be.



I guess you could say the same thing about Honda's depending on how far one wants to take it. Tongue
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loftyair 7/21/2015 2:48pm
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I'm sure most don't know the real way to use a clutch on a mx bike anyway...
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IceMan446 7/21/2015 3:26pm
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Drtbykr wrote:
No electric start, no hydraulic clutch, no sale.

With the weight of batteries available now, it's a no brainer.

Because a cable style clutch is sooo hard to pull.

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Drtbykr wrote:
No electric start, no hydraulic clutch, no sale.

With the weight of batteries available now, it's a no brainer.

IceMan446 wrote:
Because a cable style clutch is sooo hard to pull.

Hydraulic clutches never fade and are perfectly consistent everytime.
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Camp332 7/21/2015 3:46pm
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There is more to the story bro. Having that guy help push must mean that he doesn't even lift!
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Cygnus 7/21/2015 3:57pm
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BobPA wrote:
Hydraulic clutches never fade and are perfectly consistent everytime.
Bullshit !
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mx836 7/21/2015 4:23pm
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Drtbykr wrote:
No electric start, no hydraulic clutch, no sale.

With the weight of batteries available now, it's a no brainer.

IceMan446 wrote:
Because a cable style clutch is sooo hard to pull.

BobPA wrote:
Hydraulic clutches never fade and are perfectly consistent everytime.
LaughingLaughingLaughing Let's think about this for a minute. So, other than the way a clutch is actuated (hydraulic or mechanical), they are the same exact thing. Please describe to me how a metal cable fades while a fluid filled line and cylinder doesn't. This could be good.
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FGR01 wrote:
... might not be all it's cracked up to be. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/07/18/98000/s1200_11041115_893663620701203_4147949921480321570_n.jpg[/img]
... might not be all it's cracked up to be.



The dude pushing on the fender sure ain't helping much LOL. That's like trying to push a rope.
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IceMan446 wrote:
Because a cable style clutch is sooo hard to pull.

BobPA wrote:
Hydraulic clutches never fade and are perfectly consistent everytime.
mx836 wrote:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Let's think about this for a minute. So, other than the way a clutch is actuated (hydraulic or mechanical), they are the same...
LaughingLaughingLaughing Let's think about this for a minute. So, other than the way a clutch is actuated (hydraulic or mechanical), they are the same exact thing. Please describe to me how a metal cable fades while a fluid filled line and cylinder doesn't. This could be good.
Yes let us think about it for a moment.....How often do you adjust the brakes on your car? The pads wear...but you never have to adjust them.....hmm I wonder how that works? Not that difficult to understand.

A bit of common knowledge is more useful that your petty sarcasm...especially when you do not understand how simple machines work.

My Kawi cable operated clutches were always great. But I raced a '12 CRF 450 Honda that would lose feel in the lever after about 15 minutes. Why do you think bikes come equipped with quick adjust clutch perches now?

Was that everything you thought it would be Wink

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mx836 7/21/2015 5:03pm
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Clutches fade due to heat, not wear, like brakes in your example. I understand your logic, but feel they both fade the same. No amateur needs to worry about clutch fade in a 4 lap moto (6-8 if you're racing A), especially on a 450.
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TeamGreen 7/21/2015 5:07pm
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Whole lot of crazy going on in here!

If that bike, or a limited production version of it, were avail for the '16 racing season...

Who'd want one?

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