How would YOU get the riders more money?

leakypipe23
Edited Date/Time 2/9/2013 8:06am
I see a lot of complaining about how little the riders make, but not many solutions.

Increase the payouts?

Around $98k disbursed each round. $350k point fund for season points. List here: http://www.amasupercross.com/rules/pdf/2012/purse%20and%20points%20fund…

By how much?

How else can the riders make more money?
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Red Bull/Oakley/Monster

The money is in the endorsements if you're a top rider.
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First and above all, the riders need to either unionize or for a Riders Association. Then they can speak with a single voice to try and adress safety, money and health insurance. Until that happens, they are at the mercy of the man.
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For SX, I think all riders that make the night show should be paid by the promoter......a salary in a sense. They ARE the show and entertainment for all the fans. In a way, they would be employees of Feld Motor Sports during the SX season as they travel from event to event.

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Take to finding more outside sponsors, the fad energy drinks can only foot the bill for so long. After all Home Depot and UPS don't make a single part on a NASCAR but damn they have dumped some money into that sport. Also increase the fan base, and core demographic while your at it. Or you could allow riders to sell their products in the pits with all funds going directly to support their cause.

Union, really doubt that will help with pay, by the way how is hostess doing with there union?

Only thing I could see a union helping is with safety and insurance, but not pay.
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TeamGreen 2/7/2013 1:01pm
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I, for one, ain't fallin' for this...

You can figure out a way to put a program together or you can't.

YES, it ain't cheap.

But, here's the thing...

PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE...Not Socialist Athlete racing for the Soviet Union.

I, too, LOVE the Privateer that's out there racing out of the back of his truck...and we'll always find a way to get them a buck or two.

But, Who needs to PAY What is a problem that resolves itself when it's TRULY a Problem.
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I'd eliminate the BS that says a competing sponsor such as Red Bull, can only be mentioned X amount of times on the brodcast so riders could market themselves a bit easier to outside sponsors.

Anyone in the top ten should get introduced during opening ceremonies as well as the team and sponsors involved. Hopefully this would make more sponsors join and also make sponsors pay more for any rider in the top ten. Not just a podium contender.

Allow riders and teams to sell merchandise for themselves and sponsors in the pits.

Cut out all the things they make riders and teams pay for such as entry fee, and credentials.
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TeamGreen 2/7/2013 1:09pm
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Allow riders and teams to sell merchandise for themselves and sponsors in the pits.

Cut out all the things they make riders and teams pay for such as entry fee, and credentials.

Well, you got me on these...I've gotta agree with these points...
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mtl 2/7/2013 1:12pm
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Until the races, including the broadcast, are run by someone neutral this will never change.

Basically Monster is pulling the strings of Feld, who pulls the AMA strings. Felds top tier sponsors pay to have a monopoly in terms of presence at the races and can also be considered string pullers.

I.e. toyota not allowing a honda car in the pits, gopro not allowing contour helmet cams on the track.

Everyone is in bed with everyone else, only the outsiders want anything to change.
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BobbyM 2/7/2013 1:31pm
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Tell them to win more...it worked for al davis..
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TeamGreen 2/7/2013 1:32pm
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BobbyM wrote:
Tell them to win more...it worked for al davis..
OUCH!

Ya mean Thruthful-Bastard

I like it...

"Just WIN, Baby!"
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Choppy wrote:
I'd eliminate the BS that says a competing sponsor such as Red Bull, can only be mentioned X amount of times on the brodcast so riders...
I'd eliminate the BS that says a competing sponsor such as Red Bull, can only be mentioned X amount of times on the brodcast so riders could market themselves a bit easier to outside sponsors.

Anyone in the top ten should get introduced during opening ceremonies as well as the team and sponsors involved. Hopefully this would make more sponsors join and also make sponsors pay more for any rider in the top ten. Not just a podium contender.

Allow riders and teams to sell merchandise for themselves and sponsors in the pits.

Cut out all the things they make riders and teams pay for such as entry fee, and credentials.
Dude I can't agree with you more. Your on point with it. That's some of the same things Mike Genova was saying on the pulpmx, and it all made sense!
We need to do something or our sport is never gonna grow, get better, evolve, and teams are gonna keep on shutting down! We need to start a team league, like the NFL, and get tv rights, not have to pay for tv time and let all the teams split up the $$ evenly, and they will all stay financially strong, their sponsors will get tv time, and in the end the riders will get paid more, especially if the team is financially strong. It's gotta start with the team first, so they can take care if the riders.
There needs to be a privateer points/purse as well. So those guys can get paid more to. There used to be something like that back in the 90s/early 00s when I was growing up watching MX on speed world on Espn.
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WhKnuckle 2/7/2013 2:02pm
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Divide the total purse equally among all the riders who make the main event. The guys who finish in the top 5 are the guys who need purse money the least, and without the other 15 riders there's no show.
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TeamGreen wrote:
[b]Allow riders and teams to sell merchandise for themselves and sponsors in the pits. Cut out all the things they make riders and teams pay for...
Allow riders and teams to sell merchandise for themselves and sponsors in the pits.

Cut out all the things they make riders and teams pay for such as entry fee, and credentials.

Well, you got me on these...I've gotta agree with these points...
Exactly, they should be able to sell their own hats and T-shirts. Sell Hot Tub covers and insurance by the proper parties.
I know of a popular flattrack racer that used to make about $1,500 a race off his sales.
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TeamGreen 2/7/2013 2:12pm
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WhKnuckle wrote:
Divide the total purse equally among all the riders who make the main event. The guys who finish in the top 5 are the guys who...
Divide the total purse equally among all the riders who make the main event. The guys who finish in the top 5 are the guys who need purse money the least, and without the other 15 riders there's no show.
I see what you are saying; but, you're painting the issue with a VERY Broad Brush...
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joltonjay 2/7/2013 2:21pm
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Ticketmaster charges us $8.40/ticket for a "convenience fee". Just add another buck or two that goes directly to the rider purse.
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Joelessi 2/7/2013 2:36pm
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All the monster girls need to become high end escorts and then all that money can be spit between the riders.
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Bret 2/7/2013 2:44pm
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I second the motion to allow teams and sponsors to sell merchandise.

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Drtbykr 2/7/2013 2:48pm
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At SX, 50/50 draw. 50% goes to the lucky winner, 50% goes evenly to all riders entered.
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I think the spotlight is way to small.If you are a solid 8th to 15th place guy you get very little exposure,yet ,it cost your team roughly the same amount to get you on the line as a top 5 guy,not counting rider salary.Why would an outside the industry bussiness want to sponsor some one thats not one of the elite guys?There is very little exposure for the mid pack guys.One way to change this would be to bring back the semis,it would give more guys a chance to be in the spotlight. I also agree with choppy's ideas,why cant these teams cant sell stuff to promote themselves????As it is now Bob's suggestion is the only one thats going to work.
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lostboy819 2/7/2013 3:03pm
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I would do nothing, Let the market determine the pay. MX is a contest, the best get paid the others should give it a shot and if they are not good enough its time to move on. There will always be someone ready to take their place.
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17 rounds, lets say 40k average attendance, $40 average ticket price... that's around 27 million bucks... There are huge costs involved for Feld to do the series and of course they need to make a nice profit... but every rider that makes the night show should at least have their expenses covered...

and I've never heard... what is the status of health insurance for these guys??
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lostboy819 wrote:
I would do nothing, Let the market determine the pay. MX is a contest, the best get paid the others should give it a shot and...
I would do nothing, Let the market determine the pay. MX is a contest, the best get paid the others should give it a shot and if they are not good enough its time to move on. There will always be someone ready to take their place.
So you'd be willing to risk your own life and work your ass off for someone else to make millions off it (all the while paying for the right to do so)?? i should call your boss and tell him he's got it all wrong, he should start charging you to come into work......
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Drtbykr wrote:
At SX, 50/50 draw. 50% goes to the lucky winner, 50% goes evenly to all riders entered.
X2. The NHL 50/50 winner averages, $40-50,000.00/ game. The rest of the $$ cash goes to help, minor hockey. Same can be done for supercross/ motocross. That is in a 18000 seat arena. Just an idea.
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qtrracer 2/7/2013 3:33pm
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WhKnuckle wrote:
Divide the total purse equally among all the riders who make the main event. The guys who finish in the top 5 are the guys who...
Divide the total purse equally among all the riders who make the main event. The guys who finish in the top 5 are the guys who need purse money the least, and without the other 15 riders there's no show.
That has got to be the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard. I have an idea have the fastest qualifier start backwards while you're at it. Make the riders show their tax returns and have a sliding scale who ever made more money last year get paid less than the guys who made less. Lets even things out. Lets make the top 10 in points run with flat tires so the slower guys have a chance.
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72kiteboarder wrote:
First and above all, the riders need to either unionize or for a Riders Association. Then they can speak with a single voice to try and...
First and above all, the riders need to either unionize or for a Riders Association. Then they can speak with a single voice to try and adress safety, money and health insurance. Until that happens, they are at the mercy of the man.
I've always thought this but even some big name riders disagree (maybe to keep the money selfishly to themselves?). It's way easier to have a group of say 100 people be spoken for by 2-3 people than it is to have 100 people all try and do the talking themselves. Just let top 100 be eligible. They earned the number and the rights.
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qtrracer 2/7/2013 3:43pm
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72kiteboarder wrote:
First and above all, the riders need to either unionize or for a Riders Association. Then they can speak with a single voice to try and...
First and above all, the riders need to either unionize or for a Riders Association. Then they can speak with a single voice to try and adress safety, money and health insurance. Until that happens, they are at the mercy of the man.
They tried that in nascar. Nascar banned all the drivers that signed the drivers union agreement. Look it up. If the riders did try and unionize it would spell the end of sx racing, they'd run nuclear cowboyz at every date.
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lostboy819 2/7/2013 3:46pm
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lostboy819 wrote:
I would do nothing, Let the market determine the pay. MX is a contest, the best get paid the others should give it a shot and...
I would do nothing, Let the market determine the pay. MX is a contest, the best get paid the others should give it a shot and if they are not good enough its time to move on. There will always be someone ready to take their place.
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So you'd be willing to risk your own life and work your ass off for someone else to make millions off it (all the while paying...
So you'd be willing to risk your own life and work your ass off for someone else to make millions off it (all the while paying for the right to do so)?? i should call your boss and tell him he's got it all wrong, he should start charging you to come into work......
No one is making them do anything. The good ones make money the rest don't. Everyone who ever raced risked their life but its by choice and if you are good enough you get paid. When was the last time Stewart, Reed , Dungey or any racer ever gave a shit about how much money you make? NEVER so why is there always people on Vital whining on how much money they make? So if you get them more are they going to share with you? Hell No. Feld puts on a show to make money, don't think they pay enough then start your own series and you can pay whatever the hell you want until then quit crying about how much money the riders don't make.
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lostboy819 2/7/2013 3:50pm
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aFACEdismembered wrote:
I've always thought this but even some big name riders disagree (maybe to keep the money selfishly to themselves?). It's way easier to have a group...
I've always thought this but even some big name riders disagree (maybe to keep the money selfishly to themselves?). It's way easier to have a group of say 100 people be spoken for by 2-3 people than it is to have 100 people all try and do the talking themselves. Just let top 100 be eligible. They earned the number and the rights.
"(maybe to keep the money selfishly to themselves?)" I guess being the best and getting the big money is selfish WoohooWoohoo You guys are pathetic. Lets give everyone a trophy.
GeorgiePorgie 2/7/2013 3:55pm
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Have them organize a union.

Then have all the poor saps sit on the gate during the main and strike. And see how exciting that first turn is with 5 bikes going through. Watch as the people leave. Watch as they don't buy tickets to the next event and watch as the ratings plummet.

And if it they don't agree to pay these guys what they're worth, well then feld , speed and NBC sports can all lose money on the deal and feel the punishment to the pocketbook.

Someone's getting rich at the expense of the riders. They aren't unskilled employees tossing you some curly fries from the drive-through, so stop treating them like they are.

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