How will Bubba's World get around this ?

toroP wrote:

"• Agrees that Feld Motor Sports, Inc. and there affiliates and designees"

oops. Feld fits right in here at Vital

flarider wrote:

Feld is only retaining their rights. As media, like GuyB, I am sure he can videotape an interview at the event without any problem, so long...

Feld is only retaining their rights.

As media, like GuyB, I am sure he can videotape an interview at the event without any problem, so long as Feld is aware, which they will be since GuyB is media.

That said, Feld is saying that even though GuyB/VitalMX videotaped the interview, they still have rights to it (use).



Doesn't say GuyB/Vital is out of business and can no longer conduct video interviews.

Want to use race footage? No problem, ask permission and/or pay rights.

Media, like ESPN, get free use. A TV show, like Holigan's or Bubba's World would pay for the right



nothing unusual



No different than any other major sporting event and those who own it and invested in it should have every right to protect their holdings.

500guy wrote:

Agreement on the entry form. Talk about being kept down by the Man. By submitting this Entry Form, the participant (rider and team): • Agrees that...

Agreement on the entry form.

Talk about being kept down by the Man.


By submitting this Entry Form, the participant (rider and team):
• Agrees that he will not videotape, film or otherwise record his/her performance in the Event(s) or any other portion of the Event (s) (or any practices or qualifying activities or any other
activities associated or connected with such Event(s)), in whole or in part, nor will he authorize or license any third party to do so, except that the undersigned shall be permitted to take still
photographs of the Event(s) (and/or such practices or related activities), provided that his use of any resulting photographs will be solely for his own non-profit purpose;
• Agrees that Feld Motor Sports, Inc. and there affiliates and designees shall have the right, in perpetuity throughout the world, to use the name, likeness and/or biography of the
undersigned in connection with the Event(s) and all advertising and promotion of Feld Motor Sports, Inc. and/or any motor sports event or exhibition produced, presented or promoted by
Feld Motor Sports, Inc.;
• Grants to Feld Motor Sports, Inc. and their designees, in perpetuity and throughout the world, and without further compensation or consideration, the exclusive right to photograph, film,
videotape, or otherwise record and to use, reuse, license the right to use and reuse and to otherwise exploit in any manner whatsoever by means of print and any and all forms of electronic
media distribution now existing or hereafter created (including without limitation standard and non-standard television and home video distribution);
(i) The undersigned's name and performance in the Event(s) (and/or any personal interviews granted by him and his practice or qualifying activities in preparation for the Event(s);
(ii) The name(s), likeness (s), logo(s), design(s), artwork and other creative elements of the motorcycle(s) and/or vehicle(s) the undersigned is driving in the Event(s) and/or owns (and
allows another person to drive in the Event(s), including without limitation, in connection with the creation of a character or character appearing and performing at this Event(s) and/or
other motor sport events at which the undersigned's motorcycle(s) and/or vehicle(s) has appeared or will appear (or in any television programs relating to the Event(s) or such other
events).
• Warrants and represents that he is the owner of all rights granted hereunder or has been duly authorized by the owner of such rights to grant same.

WORCSRacer wrote:

Just curious Dave, because I don't recall having seen a video from Guyb shot at a SX race, do you know that Steve can film interviews...

Just curious Dave, because I don't recall having seen a video from Guyb shot at a SX race, do you know that Steve can film interviews and and footage? How come the race footage isn't on ESPN?

WORCSRacer wrote:

Just curious Dave, because I don't recall having seen a video from Guyb shot at a SX race, do you know that Steve can film interviews...

Just curious Dave, because I don't recall having seen a video from Guyb shot at a SX race, do you know that Steve can film interviews and and footage? How come the race footage isn't on ESPN?

Spinner wrote:

I've seen clips on Sportscenter a few times.
At the top of the screen, it usually says "Footage Courtesy of SpeedTV".

iudi2006 wrote:

Damn, Guess we won't get Shorty's videos anymore.

Damn, Guess we won't get Shorty's videos anymore.

jmar wrote:

Shorty's videos will be fine, he is backed by an OEM. That's the entire point of rules like this. If a small team comes along, steals...

Shorty's videos will be fine, he is backed by an OEM.

That's the entire point of rules like this. If a small team comes along, steals some of the major teams thunder, and financially gains some ground against some of the larger teams, they can be shut down.

It's rules like this that really keep the sport from growing. The OEMs love money from outside of the industry, that is, as long as it's going into their pockets. The last thing they want is a level playing field, where others have the ability to do the same.

Nothing new here, it's been this way for as long as I can remember.

BTW: If Jame Stewart Entertainment wants to film at a supercross, they will.

500guy wrote:

Agreement on the entry form. Talk about being kept down by the Man. By submitting this Entry Form, the participant (rider and team): • Agrees that...

Agreement on the entry form.

Talk about being kept down by the Man.


By submitting this Entry Form, the participant (rider and team):
• Agrees that he will not videotape, film or otherwise record his/her performance in the Event(s) or any other portion of the Event (s) (or any practices or qualifying activities or any other
activities associated or connected with such Event(s)), in whole or in part, nor will he authorize or license any third party to do so, except that the undersigned shall be permitted to take still
photographs of the Event(s) (and/or such practices or related activities), provided that his use of any resulting photographs will be solely for his own non-profit purpose;
• Agrees that Feld Motor Sports, Inc. and there affiliates and designees shall have the right, in perpetuity throughout the world, to use the name, likeness and/or biography of the
undersigned in connection with the Event(s) and all advertising and promotion of Feld Motor Sports, Inc. and/or any motor sports event or exhibition produced, presented or promoted by
Feld Motor Sports, Inc.;
• Grants to Feld Motor Sports, Inc. and their designees, in perpetuity and throughout the world, and without further compensation or consideration, the exclusive right to photograph, film,
videotape, or otherwise record and to use, reuse, license the right to use and reuse and to otherwise exploit in any manner whatsoever by means of print and any and all forms of electronic
media distribution now existing or hereafter created (including without limitation standard and non-standard television and home video distribution);
(i) The undersigned's name and performance in the Event(s) (and/or any personal interviews granted by him and his practice or qualifying activities in preparation for the Event(s);
(ii) The name(s), likeness (s), logo(s), design(s), artwork and other creative elements of the motorcycle(s) and/or vehicle(s) the undersigned is driving in the Event(s) and/or owns (and
allows another person to drive in the Event(s), including without limitation, in connection with the creation of a character or character appearing and performing at this Event(s) and/or
other motor sport events at which the undersigned's motorcycle(s) and/or vehicle(s) has appeared or will appear (or in any television programs relating to the Event(s) or such other
events).
• Warrants and represents that he is the owner of all rights granted hereunder or has been duly authorized by the owner of such rights to grant same.

iudi2006 wrote:

Damn, Guess we won't get Shorty's videos anymore.

Damn, Guess we won't get Shorty's videos anymore.

jmar wrote:

Shorty's videos will be fine, he is backed by an OEM. That's the entire point of rules like this. If a small team comes along, steals...

Shorty's videos will be fine, he is backed by an OEM.

That's the entire point of rules like this. If a small team comes along, steals some of the major teams thunder, and financially gains some ground against some of the larger teams, they can be shut down.

It's rules like this that really keep the sport from growing. The OEMs love money from outside of the industry, that is, as long as it's going into their pockets. The last thing they want is a level playing field, where others have the ability to do the same.

Nothing new here, it's been this way for as long as I can remember.

BTW: If Jame Stewart Entertainment wants to film at a supercross, they will.

SteveS wrote:

Media rules like these have nothing to do with "keeping the little man down". It has to do with the promoter making all the entertainment money...

Media rules like these have nothing to do with "keeping the little man down". It has to do with the promoter making all the entertainment money in the venue. It's the same with NFL, MLB, etc. They do allow others to film and produce specials. But you have to pay for that right.

jmar wrote:

Go out, invest your own money, and try to manage your own team, and your opinion will change. The paddock rules are set up to control...

Go out, invest your own money, and try to manage your own team, and your opinion will change.

The paddock rules are set up to control who can, and who can't effectively promote their sponsors.

500guy wrote:

Who would have thought that a Rider with the most risk and least gain wouldn't be allowed to promote himself.

500guy wrote:

Who would have thought that a Rider with the most risk and least gain wouldn't be allowed to promote himself.

downandup wrote:

Am sooooooo with you on that, 500guy! Feld just rapes these riders, financially that is. Feld needs to pony up some of the money and at...

Am sooooooo with you on that, 500guy!

Feld just rapes these riders, financially that is.

Feld needs to pony up some of the money and at least pay every rider who not only qualifies for the main, but is able to make it into the stadium at all. Plus, they should give them some premium insurance.(especially needed for the REAL privateers!)

downandup wrote:

In reality, they are employees! Without the racers, they (Feld) would have no job or nothing to promote!

500guy wrote:

Agreement on the entry form. Talk about being kept down by the Man. By submitting this Entry Form, the participant (rider and team): • Agrees that...

Agreement on the entry form.

Talk about being kept down by the Man.


By submitting this Entry Form, the participant (rider and team):
• Agrees that he will not videotape, film or otherwise record his/her performance in the Event(s) or any other portion of the Event (s) (or any practices or qualifying activities or any other
activities associated or connected with such Event(s)), in whole or in part, nor will he authorize or license any third party to do so, except that the undersigned shall be permitted to take still
photographs of the Event(s) (and/or such practices or related activities), provided that his use of any resulting photographs will be solely for his own non-profit purpose;
• Agrees that Feld Motor Sports, Inc. and there affiliates and designees shall have the right, in perpetuity throughout the world, to use the name, likeness and/or biography of the
undersigned in connection with the Event(s) and all advertising and promotion of Feld Motor Sports, Inc. and/or any motor sports event or exhibition produced, presented or promoted by
Feld Motor Sports, Inc.;
• Grants to Feld Motor Sports, Inc. and their designees, in perpetuity and throughout the world, and without further compensation or consideration, the exclusive right to photograph, film,
videotape, or otherwise record and to use, reuse, license the right to use and reuse and to otherwise exploit in any manner whatsoever by means of print and any and all forms of electronic
media distribution now existing or hereafter created (including without limitation standard and non-standard television and home video distribution);
(i) The undersigned's name and performance in the Event(s) (and/or any personal interviews granted by him and his practice or qualifying activities in preparation for the Event(s);
(ii) The name(s), likeness (s), logo(s), design(s), artwork and other creative elements of the motorcycle(s) and/or vehicle(s) the undersigned is driving in the Event(s) and/or owns (and
allows another person to drive in the Event(s), including without limitation, in connection with the creation of a character or character appearing and performing at this Event(s) and/or
other motor sport events at which the undersigned's motorcycle(s) and/or vehicle(s) has appeared or will appear (or in any television programs relating to the Event(s) or such other
events).
• Warrants and represents that he is the owner of all rights granted hereunder or has been duly authorized by the owner of such rights to grant same.

jmar wrote:

Go out, invest your own money, and try to manage your own team, and your opinion will change. The paddock rules are set up to control...

Go out, invest your own money, and try to manage your own team, and your opinion will change.

The paddock rules are set up to control who can, and who can't effectively promote their sponsors.

WORCSRacer wrote:

What he said.



SX runs the company store, housing and factory...

downandup wrote:

"They are independent contractors, they are employed only by their teams/sponsors or themselves, they are not employed by the promoters in any manner" OK, I see...

"They are independent contractors, they are employed only by their teams/sponsors or themselves, they are not employed by the promoters in any manner"

OK, I see your view.

They are independent contractors.

But, I still say Feld takes them to the cleaners. They deserve a much bigger pay off than they are getting for the risk they take.

DBerg wrote:

Ah, my bad, my source of info was incorrect then. Forget everything I just said, haha.

flarider wrote:

Since you're fairly new, I will assume you have never seen this question, and I would like you to answer it with your best estimation. Please...

Since you're fairly new, I will assume you have never seen this question, and I would like you to answer it with your best estimation.
Please list out, in as best detail you can think of, al of the expenses involved in operating a Supercross event

From the cost of the dirt (or dirt storage fees), to Dirt Wurx, trucking costs (incl depreciation of trucks), fuel, earth mover rentals, airfares, hotels, food, per diems, portacans, security, stadium rental for one week (time to put up to take down), airtime cost to Speed/CBS, production crew costs (including travel, hotel, per diems), salaries, stage equipment costs, talent (announcers, both stadium and TV), pyrotechnics and operators and anything else missed

Please estimate those costs as best you can

Thanks

jmar wrote:

Go out, invest your own money, and try to manage your own team, and your opinion will change. The paddock rules are set up to control...

Go out, invest your own money, and try to manage your own team, and your opinion will change.

The paddock rules are set up to control who can, and who can't effectively promote their sponsors.

WORCSRacer wrote:

What he said.



SX runs the company store, housing and factory...

SteveS wrote:

You can promote your sponsors. Just not by using their product for free. I don't get your specific axe you are trying to grind. Of course...

You can promote your sponsors. Just not by using their product for free.

I don't get your specific axe you are trying to grind.

Of course Feld owns and runs its own show. The rules about media don't have anything to do with factory vs privateer. They have to do with keeping their revenue stream intact by preventing people from stealing their product (the motion visuals of the race event) and thereby diluting their ability to sell that product.

flarider wrote:

Since you're fairly new, I will assume you have never seen this question, and I would like you to answer it with your best estimation. Please...

Since you're fairly new, I will assume you have never seen this question, and I would like you to answer it with your best estimation.
Please list out, in as best detail you can think of, al of the expenses involved in operating a Supercross event

From the cost of the dirt (or dirt storage fees), to Dirt Wurx, trucking costs (incl depreciation of trucks), fuel, earth mover rentals, airfares, hotels, food, per diems, portacans, security, stadium rental for one week (time to put up to take down), airtime cost to Speed/CBS, production crew costs (including travel, hotel, per diems), salaries, stage equipment costs, talent (announcers, both stadium and TV), pyrotechnics and operators and anything else missed

Please estimate those costs as best you can

Thanks

downandup wrote:

Sorry, I can't even begin to answer a question like that! The only thing I do know, is that they claim to have attracted over 5...

Sorry, I can't even begin to answer a question like that!

The only thing I do know, is that they claim to have attracted over 5 million fans in one year to Feld Motorsports, so I think they could dish out a bit more.

downandup wrote:

"They are independent contractors, they are employed only by their teams/sponsors or themselves, they are not employed by the promoters in any manner" OK, I see...

"They are independent contractors, they are employed only by their teams/sponsors or themselves, they are not employed by the promoters in any manner"

OK, I see your view.

They are independent contractors.

But, I still say Feld takes them to the cleaners. They deserve a much bigger pay off than they are getting for the risk they take.

flarider wrote:

Since you're fairly new, I will assume you have never seen this question, and I would like you to answer it with your best estimation. Please...

Since you're fairly new, I will assume you have never seen this question, and I would like you to answer it with your best estimation.
Please list out, in as best detail you can think of, al of the expenses involved in operating a Supercross event

From the cost of the dirt (or dirt storage fees), to Dirt Wurx, trucking costs (incl depreciation of trucks), fuel, earth mover rentals, airfares, hotels, food, per diems, portacans, security, stadium rental for one week (time to put up to take down), airtime cost to Speed/CBS, production crew costs (including travel, hotel, per diems), salaries, stage equipment costs, talent (announcers, both stadium and TV), pyrotechnics and operators and anything else missed

Please estimate those costs as best you can

Thanks

FastEddy wrote:

Also, remember when there was gonna be no more audio webcast because they couldn't afford it(or maybe fit in their budget),but then a sponsor jumped in...

Also, remember when there was gonna be no more audio webcast because they couldn't afford it(or maybe fit in their budget),but then a sponsor jumped in and helped and then it also went pay.

I wonder how tight things really are with them?
And if they really aren't making/profiting alot of money,maybe just trying to build the brand up as an asset for resale purposes possibly.

downandup wrote:

They can MAKE however much they want, but it would be nice to stop raping the riders. One day, the riders are going to form a...

They can MAKE however much they want, but it would be nice to stop raping the riders.


One day, the riders are going to form a union like the surfers did, and then Feld is going to have to have a bigger purse. Surfers make more money for winning than mxers do, and people don't even have to pay to watch the competition.

The mxers are not a circus act like the rest of Feld entertainment!

downandup wrote:

They can MAKE however much they want, but it would be nice to stop raping the riders. One day, the riders are going to form a...

They can MAKE however much they want, but it would be nice to stop raping the riders.


One day, the riders are going to form a union like the surfers did, and then Feld is going to have to have a bigger purse. Surfers make more money for winning than mxers do, and people don't even have to pay to watch the competition.

The mxers are not a circus act like the rest of Feld entertainment!