How many at Hangtown using spring forks?

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Edited Date/Time 5/26/2016 11:42am
Any rough Estimates?

When will the OEM's go back to the real deal? Grinning
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ML512 5/24/2016 11:42am
5/24/2016 11:42am Edited Date/Time 5/24/2016 12:08pm
G-man wrote:
Any rough Estimates?

When will the OEM's go back to the real deal? Grinning
450 Class:

Spring:
James Stewart
Blake Baggett
Eli Tomac
Ryan Dungey
Jason Anderson
Marvin Musquin
Christophe Pourcel
Justin Brayton
Benny Bloss
Noah McConahy
Jeremy Byrne
Kyle Chisholm
Cody Cooper
Tyler Encktinap
Carlen Gardner
John Short

Air:
Trey Canard
Cole Seely
Ken Roczen (winner)
Broc Tickle
Josh Grant
Justin Bogle
Justin Barcia
Phil Nicoletti
Weston Peick
Adnrew Short
Fredrick Noren
Toshiki Tomita
Tommy Hahn
Scott Champion
Dusitn Pipes
Jesse Wentland
Ronnie Stewart
Kevin Wiesburch
Kevin Rookstool
David Gassen
Riley Brough

250 class:

Spring:
Cooper Webb (sounds like he switched from air to spring for outdoors)
Jeremy Martin
Jessy Nelson
Shane McElrath
Mitchell Oldenburg
Justin Hill
Zach Osborne
Martin Davalos
Dillan Epstein
Branden Leith
Gared Steinke
Josh Osby
Jimmy Albertson
Luke Clout
Jackson Richardson
Vann Martin
Josh Mosiman
Alex Frye
Tevin Tapia
Kinser Eddicot

Air:
Aaron Plessinger
Alex Martin
Mitchell Harrison
Joey Savatgy (winner)
Austin Forkner
Arnaud Tonus
Adam Cianciarulo
Tristan Charboneau
Christian Craig
Jordon Smith
RJ Hampshire
Anthony Rodriguez
Gannon Audette
Zac Commans
Kyle Peters
Colt Nichols
Ryan Breece
Luke Renzland
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aeffertz 5/24/2016 11:44am
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I could've sworn Roczen switched back to spring forks during SX.

Thanks for that list though. Interesting to see!
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ML512 5/24/2016 11:46am
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aeffertz wrote:
I could've sworn Roczen switched back to spring forks during SX.

Thanks for that list though. Interesting to see!
Tomac did, after he won Daytona on air forks... Ken Roczen has been on KYB PSF1 air all SX season and now outdoors...
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ML512 5/24/2016 11:47am
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aeffertz wrote:
I could've sworn Roczen switched back to spring forks during SX.

Thanks for that list though. Interesting to see!
I'm updating the list... Attempting to do the top 40 from both classes.

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dazzlindino 5/24/2016 11:47am
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...by that list it seems you should run a spring in 1 fork and air in the other...
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aeffertz 5/24/2016 12:14pm
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ML512 wrote:
Tomac did, after he won Daytona on air forks... Ken Roczen has been on KYB PSF1 air all SX season and now outdoors...
Right on, thanks for clearing that up for me.

Was Stewart on air forks at one point in his few SX races?
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ML512 5/24/2016 12:22pm
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aeffertz wrote:
Right on, thanks for clearing that up for me.

Was Stewart on air forks at one point in his few SX races?
He started with air, then both him and Baggett went to spring the same weekend... Considering the erratic amount of races he showed for, I can't remember which one it was off the top of my head.
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Winners running Air.. must be best option!
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Travis_Hudson 5/24/2016 12:33pm
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It looked like Champion had revalved stock spring forks on his 450? I could be wrong though and ML512 would know. On a side note David Gassin's forks had a leak in his schrader valve during practice making his forks drop all the way to the lower part of the stroke. I was there for the fire drill where we tried to find where his spring rate was escaping too. Blush Screw those air forks.
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Meanwhile, at the Air Fork factory...



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ML512 5/24/2016 12:50pm
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Travis_Hudson wrote:
It looked like Champion had revalved stock spring forks on his 450? I could be wrong though and ML512 would know. On a side note David...
It looked like Champion had revalved stock spring forks on his 450? I could be wrong though and ML512 would know. On a side note David Gassin's forks had a leak in his schrader valve during practice making his forks drop all the way to the lower part of the stroke. I was there for the fire drill where we tried to find where his spring rate was escaping too. Blush Screw those air forks.
He may have been on spring. I was going off memory from Supercross for a few of the back markers that I didn't look at closely enough during Hangtown.
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Kryan5 5/24/2016 12:56pm
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Wow, would have liked to have seen a little more confidence in the AER48.
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JBernard_401 5/24/2016 1:08pm
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ML512 wrote:
I'm updating the list... Attempting to do the top 40 from both classes.
I take it that you're putting the 250 class SFF fork in the spring category?
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FLmxer 5/24/2016 1:41pm
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aeffertz wrote:
I could've sworn Roczen switched back to spring forks during SX.

Thanks for that list though. Interesting to see!
Kenny said he wished he was on spring on DMXS but he had found a great setting with his air and that's what he had to use. He said, "I don't care what any rider says to a camera, every single rider wishes they were on spring."
Then he goes on Pulp and Mathes says I hear your on spring forks. And Kenny says," NOOO! Why is everyone saying that?" Lol He must of got a little talking to especially after the, i would think a team would want their rider happy comment.
He sure does look comfy on the air forks now.
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kiwifan 5/24/2016 1:42pm
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tek14 wrote:
Winners running Air.. must be best option!
well if the winner were on spring you can guarantee thats what everyone would be saying....
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ML512 5/24/2016 8:08pm
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JBernard_401 wrote:
I take it that you're putting the 250 class SFF fork in the spring category?
If it has a spring, it's in the spring category... there's almost no one on that fork though.
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Kryan5 wrote:
Wow, would have liked to have seen a little more confidence in the AER48.
Only the 16 FEs were released with them, so not many bikes out there would have them. The KTM/Husqvarna's are all on kit/works stuff... Shorty's air fork is much different than the AER as well...
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G-man 5/24/2016 8:20pm
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ML512 wrote:
450 Class: Spring: James Stewart Blake Baggett Eli Tomac Ryan Dungey Jason Anderson Marvin Musquin Christophe Pourcel Justin Brayton Benny Bloss Noah McConahy Jeremy Byrne Kyle...
450 Class:

Spring:
James Stewart
Blake Baggett
Eli Tomac
Ryan Dungey
Jason Anderson
Marvin Musquin
Christophe Pourcel
Justin Brayton
Benny Bloss
Noah McConahy
Jeremy Byrne
Kyle Chisholm
Cody Cooper
Tyler Encktinap
Carlen Gardner
John Short

Air:
Trey Canard
Cole Seely
Ken Roczen (winner)
Broc Tickle
Josh Grant
Justin Bogle
Justin Barcia
Phil Nicoletti
Weston Peick
Adnrew Short
Fredrick Noren
Toshiki Tomita
Tommy Hahn
Scott Champion
Dusitn Pipes
Jesse Wentland
Ronnie Stewart
Kevin Wiesburch
Kevin Rookstool
David Gassen
Riley Brough

250 class:

Spring:
Cooper Webb (sounds like he switched from air to spring for outdoors)
Jeremy Martin
Jessy Nelson
Shane McElrath
Mitchell Oldenburg
Justin Hill
Zach Osborne
Martin Davalos
Dillan Epstein
Branden Leith
Gared Steinke
Josh Osby
Jimmy Albertson
Luke Clout
Jackson Richardson
Vann Martin
Josh Mosiman
Alex Frye
Tevin Tapia
Kinser Eddicot

Air:
Aaron Plessinger
Alex Martin
Mitchell Harrison
Joey Savatgy (winner)
Austin Forkner
Arnaud Tonus
Adam Cianciarulo
Tristan Charboneau
Christian Craig
Jordon Smith
RJ Hampshire
Anthony Rodriguez
Gannon Audette
Zac Commans
Kyle Peters
Colt Nichols
Ryan Breece
Luke Renzland
Thanks for the detailed reply ML.

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JBernard_401 5/24/2016 9:06pm
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ML512 wrote:
If it has a spring, it's in the spring category... there's almost no one on that fork though.
I thought all the PC team and everyone who was sponsored by factory connection in the 250 class was running sff a-kit?
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Kennys dad got shit sorted when he came over.. Germans are efficient.
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hellion 5/25/2016 4:06am
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aeffertz wrote:
I could've sworn Roczen switched back to spring forks during SX.

Thanks for that list though. Interesting to see!
FLmxer wrote:
Kenny said he wished he was on spring on DMXS but he had found a great setting with his air and that's what he had to...
Kenny said he wished he was on spring on DMXS but he had found a great setting with his air and that's what he had to use. He said, "I don't care what any rider says to a camera, every single rider wishes they were on spring."
Then he goes on Pulp and Mathes says I hear your on spring forks. And Kenny says," NOOO! Why is everyone saying that?" Lol He must of got a little talking to especially after the, i would think a team would want their rider happy comment.
He sure does look comfy on the air forks now.
I heard both interviews as well. It just goes to show that you can't put much faith in what a paid rider is saying about his equipment. Only Chad seems to be able to be honest and not suffer the repurcusions.
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Huckster 5/25/2016 4:15am
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JGR Yamaha on air forks? Did I miss something?
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I like threads like this, find this stuff much more interesting than most other stuff that gets posted here, thanks for the info ML
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JBernard_401 wrote:
I thought all the PC team and everyone who was sponsored by factory connection in the 250 class was running sff a-kit?
They are, but it's Showa SFF AIR TAC (PCR). FC guys are on KYB
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DPR250R 5/25/2016 6:12am
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Of the list... who has a choice?

For example... can the HRC guys switch to spring if they wanted to?
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gpracer36 5/25/2016 6:26am
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seeley is running spring, they put air stickers on them, but they are spring
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aeffertz wrote:
I could've sworn Roczen switched back to spring forks during SX.

Thanks for that list though. Interesting to see!
ML512 wrote:
Tomac did, after he won Daytona on air forks... Ken Roczen has been on KYB PSF1 air all SX season and now outdoors...
Finally got to the bottom of this. He did an interview where he said the springs were what he had preferred... and it kinda implied that he had changed, but he hadn't.
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Kryan5 5/25/2016 7:25am
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Kryan5 wrote:
Wow, would have liked to have seen a little more confidence in the AER48.
ML512 wrote:
Only the 16 FEs were released with them, so not many bikes out there would have them. The KTM/Husqvarna's are all on kit/works stuff... Shorty's air...
Only the 16 FEs were released with them, so not many bikes out there would have them. The KTM/Husqvarna's are all on kit/works stuff... Shorty's air fork is much different than the AER as well...
So is that the cone valves with trax shock?
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kawasa84 5/25/2016 7:26am
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ricko wrote:
I like threads like this, find this stuff much more interesting than most other stuff that gets posted here, thanks for the info ML
I agree, threads like this allow a lot of us who don't know about what technology works and what teams and pros are really using out there.
I would also like to know how many riders use some kind of steering stabilizers for outdoors?

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