How come Europe doesn't have a supercross series?

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Edited Date/Time 3/20/2014 1:30pm
Reading through Rocks thread about an SXoN's got me thinking......why doesn't Europe have an SX series? Seriously. This isn't one of my long winded posts of the night.......just a simple question here.

Does Europe in a whole have any ( or enough ) big stadiums to do SX events? You would think it could be a great revenue for the sport over there during the winter months.

You guys who live across the pond.....what's your theory on this subject?
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Not as many enclosed stadiums, majority are out door, and the elements are highly unpredictable.

The flip side, football is year-round, so there isn't a real time to close them for supercross.
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3/14/2014 9:13pm Edited Date/Time 3/14/2014 9:15pm
My thoughts (opinions)

* the high regard with which they hold their soccer (football) stadiums. Throwing in a bunch of plywood and dirt would be frowned upon by a lot of rabid FC-[insert euro city] fans. Major hurdle there IMO.

*ROI. I'm willing to bet it costs a bit more to rent Camp Nou in Barcelona or Wimbley in England, than it costs to rent Ford Field or O.Co. Somebody smarter than us Vitards is probably doing some market research to determine if a stadium like that would fill up for a SX.

* Who would race? I doubt RV and Stewie are going to race a European SX series. So who will be your marquee guys? Who are you going to use in all your marketing paraphernalia? Some local French or German ArenaSuperCross specialists? Are they going to fill stadiums?

* Schedule. The first GP was this month (March). The series runs until the end of summer. The Euros have grown accustomed to a real off-season. So how do you schedule the Euro SX series? Oct - Feb? Who's showing up for that? The GP dudes will be resting and preparing for GPs.

* The EU. In addition to all the local regulations, there is a secondary level of bureaucracy in the European Union.


These are just my opinions. I'm not saying it's impossible, but there are some hurdles, man. It's no slam dunk.
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Why don't they have a baseball series on par with MLB? Why doesn't the US have an auto-racing series on par with F1?

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3/14/2014 9:26pm
visser62 wrote:
Why don't they have a baseball series on par with MLB? Why doesn't the US have an auto-racing series on par with F1?
With that logic, there wouldn't be a Major League Soccer in the USA. Soccer in other parts of the world blows the USA away.
Nevertheless, there is.MLS And people are showing up to games. And athletes are making money....
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3/14/2014 9:38pm Edited Date/Time 3/14/2014 9:40pm
mx_563 wrote:
With that logic, there wouldn't be a Major League Soccer in the USA. Soccer in other parts of the world blows the USA away. Nevertheless, there...
With that logic, there wouldn't be a Major League Soccer in the USA. Soccer in other parts of the world blows the USA away.
Nevertheless, there is.MLS And people are showing up to games. And athletes are making money....
There are dozens of SX races in Europe over the winter. I believe there is German championship. European SX championship. Bercy, Geneva, Genova etc.
It`s just not as big as in USA and best guy`s don`t race it cause they are not getting paid to do it. Their job is GP`s. It might change if the right promoter comes along.
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3/14/2014 9:47pm
I could only imagine how it would be with youthstream.
3/14/2014 9:48pm
jeffro503 wrote:
Reading through Rocks thread about an SXoN's got me thinking......why doesn't Europe have an SX series? Seriously. This isn't one of my long winded posts of...
Reading through Rocks thread about an SXoN's got me thinking......why doesn't Europe have an SX series? Seriously. This isn't one of my long winded posts of the night.......just a simple question here.

Does Europe in a whole have any ( or enough ) big stadiums to do SX events? You would think it could be a great revenue for the sport over there during the winter months.

You guys who live across the pond.....what's your theory on this subject?
There is the European SX series every winter. Usually 3-5 rounds (including Bercy)

There is also the German SX series.

Nothing like ours but they dont have the network of venues like we do. The soccer stadiums will not let someone come in and trash the pitch. The grass is too fragile and valuable to the soccer industry.
3/14/2014 9:50pm
sharkey wrote:
I could only imagine how it would be with youthstream.
Cant be any worse than dealing with Clear Channel.

And there in lies the other rub.

Here, Clear Channel has a lock on all the venues. The FIM/AMA simply has to only go thru one entity to lock down a nation's worth of stadiums.

Whereas in Europe I dont think their is some sort of conglomerate tying all the stadiums in the various countries together. Making a multi-round series a nightmare to organize for a sanctioning body.
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euro riders dont have high enough skills for sx all they do is just twist the throttle and flap off the back in their wide open mx tracks.... Wink
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3/14/2014 9:59pm
lostboy819 wrote:
But speedway is way better racing than SX
They are both racing motorcycles on dirt. A win in my eyes. Both forms of racing have their high points and are fun to watch. In my humble opinion.
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lostboy819 wrote:
But speedway is way better racing than SX
Bultaco wrote:
They are both racing motorcycles on dirt. A win in my eyes. Both forms of racing have their high points and are fun to watch. In...
They are both racing motorcycles on dirt. A win in my eyes. Both forms of racing have their high points and are fun to watch. In my humble opinion.
When I raced speedway its 4 laps balls out 6-10 times a night, no time to get behind.Cool
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3/15/2014 12:27am
visser62 wrote:
Why don't they have a baseball series on par with MLB? Why doesn't the US have an auto-racing series on par with F1?
mx_563 wrote:
With that logic, there wouldn't be a Major League Soccer in the USA. Soccer in other parts of the world blows the USA away. Nevertheless, there...
With that logic, there wouldn't be a Major League Soccer in the USA. Soccer in other parts of the world blows the USA away.
Nevertheless, there is.MLS And people are showing up to games. And athletes are making money....
We have soccer here? Blink

Zzzzzz
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No one cares about full blown supercross in Europe. Outdoors is way more important and begins in Februay anyway which doesn't leave much time for supercross. It's best left to one off events like Bercy for those that like it.

Supercross is really only big in the US when it comes to participation, everywhere else motocross takes priority.

There are plenty of big stadiums but they are used for football, which is played in the winter so couldn't be used.
3/15/2014 1:03am
visser62 wrote:
Why don't they have a baseball series on par with MLB? Why doesn't the US have an auto-racing series on par with F1?
mx_563 wrote:
With that logic, there wouldn't be a Major League Soccer in the USA. Soccer in other parts of the world blows the USA away. Nevertheless, there...
With that logic, there wouldn't be a Major League Soccer in the USA. Soccer in other parts of the world blows the USA away.
Nevertheless, there is.MLS And people are showing up to games. And athletes are making money....
Hut wrote:
We have soccer here? Blink

Zzzzzz
You also have Nascar and Stickball ZzzZzz
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mx_563 wrote:
My thoughts (opinions) * the high regard with which they hold their soccer (football) stadiums. Throwing in a bunch of plywood and dirt would be frowned...
My thoughts (opinions)

* the high regard with which they hold their soccer (football) stadiums. Throwing in a bunch of plywood and dirt would be frowned upon by a lot of rabid FC-[insert euro city] fans. Major hurdle there IMO.

*ROI. I'm willing to bet it costs a bit more to rent Camp Nou in Barcelona or Wimbley in England, than it costs to rent Ford Field or O.Co. Somebody smarter than us Vitards is probably doing some market research to determine if a stadium like that would fill up for a SX.

* Who would race? I doubt RV and Stewie are going to race a European SX series. So who will be your marquee guys? Who are you going to use in all your marketing paraphernalia? Some local French or German ArenaSuperCross specialists? Are they going to fill stadiums?

* Schedule. The first GP was this month (March). The series runs until the end of summer. The Euros have grown accustomed to a real off-season. So how do you schedule the Euro SX series? Oct - Feb? Who's showing up for that? The GP dudes will be resting and preparing for GPs.

* The EU. In addition to all the local regulations, there is a secondary level of bureaucracy in the European Union.


These are just my opinions. I'm not saying it's impossible, but there are some hurdles, man. It's no slam dunk.
I think these are the major reasons as well. It's never going to happen.
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3/15/2014 1:21am Edited Date/Time 3/15/2014 1:22am
mx_563 pretty much explained why. That being said, I believe a major step is about to be taken with the Bercy Supercross moving to the Lille football stadium for this year.

Because as much as the Bercy supercross has this aura around it and all the history, in reality it could never be more than a glorified arenacross because of the lack of space. And as much as they try to spice things up with all of the different racing formats, there is rarely any actual racing going on because of how narrow everything is.

I just hope that with the added income from all of the extra seats, the promotors go all out and get some of the top dogs from both sides of the pond.

The most awesome thing I could imagine is if they used used the Lille Supercross as part of the AMA series, kind of like they did in 2003.
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3/15/2014 1:43am
visser62 wrote:
Why don't they have a baseball series on par with MLB? Why doesn't the US have an auto-racing series on par with F1?
As for the auto racing, we have much more exciting auto racing in the US than F1. Then was the last time you saw 80+ lead changes in an entire F1 season? Nascar had that in 1 race at Talladega a couple years back. F1 is awesome because of the cars and technology. The racing however is somewhat lacking.
3/15/2014 1:58am
visser62 wrote:
Why don't they have a baseball series on par with MLB? Why doesn't the US have an auto-racing series on par with F1?
mx757 wrote:
As for the auto racing, we have much more exciting auto racing in the US than F1. Then was the last time you saw 80+ lead...
As for the auto racing, we have much more exciting auto racing in the US than F1. Then was the last time you saw 80+ lead changes in an entire F1 season? Nascar had that in 1 race at Talladega a couple years back. F1 is awesome because of the cars and technology. The racing however is somewhat lacking.
Your opinion is not fact, if you find cars racing around a oval more exciting then those going around a proper circuit well good for you, That is your OPINION. A series that doesn't have proper scoring, relies on caution flags and who your daddy is may not be exiting to those across the pond so to speak.
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There is the European SX series every winter. Usually 3-5 rounds (including Bercy) There is also the German SX series. Nothing like ours but they dont...
There is the European SX series every winter. Usually 3-5 rounds (including Bercy)

There is also the German SX series.

Nothing like ours but they dont have the network of venues like we do. The soccer stadiums will not let someone come in and trash the pitch. The grass is too fragile and valuable to the soccer industry.
They should call this "world supercross series" then claim they have the best series and riders in the world Dry
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3/15/2014 2:30am Edited Date/Time 3/15/2014 2:37am
mx_563 wrote:
My thoughts (opinions) * the high regard with which they hold their soccer (football) stadiums. Throwing in a bunch of plywood and dirt would be frowned...
My thoughts (opinions)

* the high regard with which they hold their soccer (football) stadiums. Throwing in a bunch of plywood and dirt would be frowned upon by a lot of rabid FC-[insert euro city] fans. Major hurdle there IMO.

*ROI. I'm willing to bet it costs a bit more to rent Camp Nou in Barcelona or Wimbley in England, than it costs to rent Ford Field or O.Co. Somebody smarter than us Vitards is probably doing some market research to determine if a stadium like that would fill up for a SX.

* Who would race? I doubt RV and Stewie are going to race a European SX series. So who will be your marquee guys? Who are you going to use in all your marketing paraphernalia? Some local French or German ArenaSuperCross specialists? Are they going to fill stadiums?

* Schedule. The first GP was this month (March). The series runs until the end of summer. The Euros have grown accustomed to a real off-season. So how do you schedule the Euro SX series? Oct - Feb? Who's showing up for that? The GP dudes will be resting and preparing for GPs.

* The EU. In addition to all the local regulations, there is a secondary level of bureaucracy in the European Union.


These are just my opinions. I'm not saying it's impossible, but there are some hurdles, man. It's no slam dunk.
I agree with most of what you said, except for "who would race?" I think what Jeffro means is if Europe had a SX series on par with their GP series, where all the GP guys race the "european SX series championship" just like all our pros race both series in the states (SX and MX)

Your points are valid, but I think it would be really cool to see a big time European SX series as well. I know it's not their fault, and I know the dudes across the pond haul ass, but in my mind, I give our guys the edge because they are able to ride both disciplines. Imagine if RV spent his whole life, year round, racing outdoors only. No SX. So all the time RV has spent on SX training/racing/etc he could have spent that on outdoors all year (sand,choppy,smooth,etc) I know it's not fair to AC222 but I tend to think RV would smoke him if all RV had to focus on was riding MX. In my mind RV is just as good or better than AC222 outdoors and that's with the half of the year RV has spent riding and training SX since 2006.
3/15/2014 2:45am Edited Date/Time 3/15/2014 2:46am
mx_563 wrote:
My thoughts (opinions) * the high regard with which they hold their soccer (football) stadiums. Throwing in a bunch of plywood and dirt would be frowned...
My thoughts (opinions)

* the high regard with which they hold their soccer (football) stadiums. Throwing in a bunch of plywood and dirt would be frowned upon by a lot of rabid FC-[insert euro city] fans. Major hurdle there IMO.

*ROI. I'm willing to bet it costs a bit more to rent Camp Nou in Barcelona or Wimbley in England, than it costs to rent Ford Field or O.Co. Somebody smarter than us Vitards is probably doing some market research to determine if a stadium like that would fill up for a SX.

* Who would race? I doubt RV and Stewie are going to race a European SX series. So who will be your marquee guys? Who are you going to use in all your marketing paraphernalia? Some local French or German ArenaSuperCross specialists? Are they going to fill stadiums?

* Schedule. The first GP was this month (March). The series runs until the end of summer. The Euros have grown accustomed to a real off-season. So how do you schedule the Euro SX series? Oct - Feb? Who's showing up for that? The GP dudes will be resting and preparing for GPs.

* The EU. In addition to all the local regulations, there is a secondary level of bureaucracy in the European Union.


These are just my opinions. I'm not saying it's impossible, but there are some hurdles, man. It's no slam dunk.
shredder22 wrote:
I agree with most of what you said, except for "who would race?" I think what Jeffro means is if Europe had a SX series on...
I agree with most of what you said, except for "who would race?" I think what Jeffro means is if Europe had a SX series on par with their GP series, where all the GP guys race the "european SX series championship" just like all our pros race both series in the states (SX and MX)

Your points are valid, but I think it would be really cool to see a big time European SX series as well. I know it's not their fault, and I know the dudes across the pond haul ass, but in my mind, I give our guys the edge because they are able to ride both disciplines. Imagine if RV spent his whole life, year round, racing outdoors only. No SX. So all the time RV has spent on SX training/racing/etc he could have spent that on outdoors all year (sand,choppy,smooth,etc) I know it's not fair to AC222 but I tend to think RV would smoke him if all RV had to focus on was riding MX. In my mind RV is just as good or better than AC222 outdoors and that's with the half of the year RV has spent riding and training SX since 2006.
RV has spent his whole amateur career racing "outdoors" just like all motocross riders do, where the hell did you construct this argument? Most European riders seem to be able to adapt to SX quite well after some experience just like a amateur racer in the USA have to because there is no AMATEUR SX series and riders grown up riding motocross (outdoors) and not in stadiums, your argument is so null and out of nowhere, seriously what the f*ck are you talking about??
3/15/2014 3:39am
We lack the facilities, fanbase and backing of the gouverment. Also, motocross is hardly acknowledged as a sport by the majority of the people here. Sx would be seen as a freakshow instead of a sport anyway.
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shredder22 wrote:
I agree with most of what you said, except for "who would race?" I think what Jeffro means is if Europe had a SX series on...
I agree with most of what you said, except for "who would race?" I think what Jeffro means is if Europe had a SX series on par with their GP series, where all the GP guys race the "european SX series championship" just like all our pros race both series in the states (SX and MX)

Your points are valid, but I think it would be really cool to see a big time European SX series as well. I know it's not their fault, and I know the dudes across the pond haul ass, but in my mind, I give our guys the edge because they are able to ride both disciplines. Imagine if RV spent his whole life, year round, racing outdoors only. No SX. So all the time RV has spent on SX training/racing/etc he could have spent that on outdoors all year (sand,choppy,smooth,etc) I know it's not fair to AC222 but I tend to think RV would smoke him if all RV had to focus on was riding MX. In my mind RV is just as good or better than AC222 outdoors and that's with the half of the year RV has spent riding and training SX since 2006.
You really think he would be THAT much better outdoors if he didn't race Supercross? I think the likes of RV are already riding bikes outdoors as fast as is humanly possible anyway. He won't get much quicker than he already is in my opinion and if anything Supercross probably sharpens him up for the outdoors.

The skill sets required for racing Supercross has certainly benefitted American riders over the years and it gave them the edge over everyone else, throughout the 90's at least.
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Some of you guys need to pull your flags out of your asses! He didn't ask who would be better, who is better, if nascar sucks, if F1 sucks, who would beat who, who loves/hates futbol. It was simply a question about why it's not a big deal in Europe. It's pretty obvious that y'all opened this thread wanting to argue, even if it wasn't about the original topic. Shit gets old
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Fearo wrote:
mx_563 pretty much explained why. That being said, I believe a major step is about to be taken with the Bercy Supercross moving to the Lille...
mx_563 pretty much explained why. That being said, I believe a major step is about to be taken with the Bercy Supercross moving to the Lille football stadium for this year.

Because as much as the Bercy supercross has this aura around it and all the history, in reality it could never be more than a glorified arenacross because of the lack of space. And as much as they try to spice things up with all of the different racing formats, there is rarely any actual racing going on because of how narrow everything is.

I just hope that with the added income from all of the extra seats, the promotors go all out and get some of the top dogs from both sides of the pond.

The most awesome thing I could imagine is if they used used the Lille Supercross as part of the AMA series, kind of like they did in 2003.
I'm really looking forward to seeing how this race turns out in the bigger stadium and I hope it becomes the permanent facility for it. Bercy is cool but you're correct, it never has been or will be a real SX.
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The other thing we really lack in Europe is any practice facility's to properly train for sx. I can only think of one in the south of the uk. The closest we get to supercross here is a couple tracks with the odd sx style jump in it but no real places to train for Sx of even arena cross.
Makes it very hard to develop any tallent when there is not even the chance to practice apart from the handful of races in the winter.

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