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I've been around here a long time. Was on some of the old fresh dirt and original motodrive sites as well.
Just an observation.....but the " Pack mentality " is kinda strong here.
For example : Lately , when certain topics come up , and it seems like a hot topic , I'll read the original post , and reply with what " I feel " as far as a reply to the original topic. I do this to give an honest response to the actual topic at hand.
You ever notice how threads can " shift "? Like everyone is on one side of the fence on a certain topic , then some guy posts a logical ( Or some times illogical ) response , and then the thread changes direction. Either going negative or positive.
What I have been doing lately is , reading the OP , and replying.....not going through the countless posts on the subject , as to give an honest answer. Instead of having my mind swayed one way or another....I just give my honest opinion. Weather anyone agrees with it or not....it's still what was going through my mind at the time I posted the reply to the original topic.
Kind of a weird post I know , but was wondering if any of you guys notice the same thing? As in seeing threads derail or sway back and forth depending on who is replying?
I guess what I'm saying here is , don't join the pack , just reply honestly to what you think is right. Don't agree , if you really don't agree. Just my $.02.
Just an observation.....but the " Pack mentality " is kinda strong here.
For example : Lately , when certain topics come up , and it seems like a hot topic , I'll read the original post , and reply with what " I feel " as far as a reply to the original topic. I do this to give an honest response to the actual topic at hand.
You ever notice how threads can " shift "? Like everyone is on one side of the fence on a certain topic , then some guy posts a logical ( Or some times illogical ) response , and then the thread changes direction. Either going negative or positive.
What I have been doing lately is , reading the OP , and replying.....not going through the countless posts on the subject , as to give an honest answer. Instead of having my mind swayed one way or another....I just give my honest opinion. Weather anyone agrees with it or not....it's still what was going through my mind at the time I posted the reply to the original topic.
Kind of a weird post I know , but was wondering if any of you guys notice the same thing? As in seeing threads derail or sway back and forth depending on who is replying?
I guess what I'm saying here is , don't join the pack , just reply honestly to what you think is right. Don't agree , if you really don't agree. Just my $.02.
Certain topics are notorious for rabbitt holes. To me, the real issue lies with the topic subject, however, I dont know of a solution.
The Shop
The pack mentality was more or less what i was getting at. Just seems real hostile around here lately. Riders and forum members being attacked all the time. You can't have a different opinion on certain things because the same little group comes in and just looks to pick a fight.
To many people here try to force their opinion on you. If your opinion differs...you either get lectured or attacked. That's how it usually works anyways.
Let's take bikes for example. For a while everyone hated the Suzuki because it was old and heavy. Now, the second anyone on a Yamaha has a bad night or crashes its instantly because of the bike and now the Suzuki is great. Most of this is coming from people who have never ridden either bike but are "experts" based on what they're read in other threads or reviews from their couches on Saturday. I don't know exactly when it started, but it's just follow the leader. It's already happening with the new Honda, KR hits one kicker and suddenly the bike has a shock problem. Seriously?
The forearm Strong device is another great example. The theory behind it sounds solid to me, but I'm by no means a doctor or possess the knowledge of muscle tissue or fascia to know if the claims are valid or not, so I don't claim to know whether it works or not. There's very few guys on here who do possess that knowledge, but 100s of guys piling on with "opinions" that it can't work because they somehow know it doesn't.
Final example I'll give is when it comes to the Yamaha two strokes. The second anyone asks about getting one its "oh ya, make sure you get 06+", and it's the same rehashed crap over and over about SSS forks being magic. I hate to rain on the parade of everyone suggesting that who hasn't actually ridden the bike, but the forks are not magic, and they sure as hell aren't as good as people just keep blindly stating. If you have the bike and have ridden them, by all means tell about your experience, but if you're just reposting then what's the point? Some of the stuff is just so predictable around here it's kind of crazy.
I think what people fail to realize is if you have no facts or relevant knowledge to back up your statements, that isn't an opinion, that's just spouting off bs that benefits absolutely nobody. If you haven't ridden a bike, why the hell would you give an "opinion" on how it handles or rides, or if you haven't tried a product or have any relevant experience in the field, why would you give an "opinion" about that either? Perpetuating false information doesn't do anybody any good, and it just makes it hard to differentiate who actually has their shit straight and who's full of crap.
It also seems to be more of the recent accounts with low post counts... sort of the trying to establish dominance thing. I get it and it's sort of what makes it interesting in here, however, it's starting to wear on me a little. I used to constantly post during all the race threads both SX and Nationals, shit I was posting from AFG on my last deployment, but, after Saturday's I think Ill take a break for awhile.
Just kidding
i totally agree with you on this, every time something big happens i come one here thinking vital will go crazy about this and every time it ends up in a stewart thread.
I spend more time in the bike builds and old school forum because we are just talking about building bikes instead of racers, and debating which bike is better than the other. We aren't complaining about the broadcast, or debating who should ride for which team. We are just building cool bikes.
It is always funny to see how many threads are just titled with a riders name after each weekend. Sometimes the forum will just look like a list of riders names.
Reed
Wilson
Webb
Roczen
Dungey
Seely
Anderson
A couple of my thoughts. If there a structured collaboration behind this, they've carried it too far with the Roczen incident. That shook me up to the point, l had thoughts of that happening to me or someone I care about. Roczen is actually a very lucky young man if he has no other serious conditions. It isn't good for him either way, but there was very possible worse case scenarios.
JM45, this response is for you. I'm not sure if the SSS suspension you're referring to is the same as what was on my 2016 YZ250F or not, but if so, my suspension was dang good.
These people need to realise they need to put a bit more in the subject to generate more views. It ain't hard.
Oh an OP, general rule of thumb if the thread is longer than roughly 3 pages, anything after that is usually pointless bitching, or bears.
Pit Row
Post a reply to: Hey Vital guys.....when we reply to a thread.