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5/11/2014 11:15am
5/11/2014 11:15am
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5/12/2014 8:01pm
As you all know Everts won 37 GP's in the 250cc World Championship from 1992 till 1999, Torsten Hallman won 37 in his career. Herlings today won his 37th GP in MX2 (250) at Talavera de la Reina, 27 of does came with both moto wins.
One trick pony...?
The Shop
It would be like counting 125/Lites/250 SX main events the same in the record book as a premier-class win.
DC
MX Sports
source (but it's dutch)
Still, hats off to Herlings for his riding and wins.
Also an MX2 World Championship is not comparable to E and W SX. It's comparable to the nationals which when counting an overall win talley they use.
The one thing this guy is completely incorrect about is comparing the old 250 2 stroke class to the current 250F class in Everts' time. In the 90s the 250 2 stroke class was the premiere class. In the case of Hallman it is pretty accurate as the 500 class was the premiere class until the late 80s early 90s. So the 125 class and 250 classes by the same standard were not premier class wins.
109, I don't understand the nationals comparison, unless you mean the numbers of events in a series, which I do understand. There were four 125 nationals in '74, and now there are 12 rounds.
I am a fan of Jeffrey's, he is a bad dude, but it's weird to see those numbers at age 20... Surely the absence of Roczen and Musquin to America, and Searle and Van Horebeek to the MXGP class have made those numbers easier to attain than they were for Hallman, Mikkola and DeCoster.
As for Everts, I do agree his double and (one) triple wins make his numbers bigger than anyone else can ever have a fair shot to reach, and that would make a fair comparison for AC222: take out Stefan'a unique opportunity to win multiple races in '03 (?) and see how they match up... But please be sure to include the number of rounds in a season too.
Bench racing is better than Stella Artois!
DC
MX Sports
The tracks were beat,or trails with no tractor or water truck in sight.
The beating one took back then is double or 3 times what the bike transfers to a rider today.
And the dust killed ones lungs.
The amount the riders sit down today is really amazing,I watch as guys kinda goon it with elbows down and shake my head.
The only time you sat back then was during a slow turn.
JH may have won back then just as much but those guys would raced more years on todays tracks.
Herlings is just a victim of his own success and high standards he has set. It is not indicative that his competition is slow it's that he is that good. At Leirop in 2012 his 2nd Moto race time was 39:23 for 19 laps, the fastest Cairoli was for 19 laps was 40:20 in the first Moto (smoother track).
How many time has Baggett, Wilson, tomac, Roczen done the same amount of laps as RV, Dungey, JS7 a minute faster or just faster at any track when in different classes? Did JS7 ever do it to RC when he was on a 125?
Side note: cairoli did his first GP season in 2002 and raced MX2 until 2008 (7 seasons) JH first GP season was 2010 he is now in his 5th MX2 season - if you want to level the playing field with Cairoli then JH should get 2 more years in MX2!
And, of course, Hallman raced Joel Robert throughout much of those two riders' careers, where the two of them pretty much had a stranglehold on the 250 title (Hallman 1962-63, 1966-67 ; Robert 1964, 1968-72). No disrespect to Herlings's impressive talent, but he's not facing that sort of challenge
If I were Herlings I would do whatever was right for myself and my team, no problem there. But its hard to compare his 37 wins in this class to Roger DeCoster's 37 wins during his era, when all of the best stayed in Europe (and many Americans joined them) and classes were not restricted by age, nor were there 17 rounds like there are now.
Nonetheless, he's beating the competition he has now in extremely dominant fashion, unlike anyone in motocross history anywhere since Carmichael's 27 450 Nationals wins in a row from 2003-2005. When he reaches that number (and he no doubt will) it's going to be just as hard to compare what Carmichael was up against to who Jeffrey is racing now.
Finally, comparing Herlings' times to anyone in the sand is difficult. He's amazing, no doubt, but he's had lifelong access to sand tracks and truly flies in it. But how do you think he would do in, say, the Georgia Dome? Because over here guys spend half their time practicing supercross, and without many sand tracks to race or even ride upon, the guys you mention don't get much work in the sand.
DC
MX Sports
But then again, is it because the rest of the field is not good enough, or because Herling is that much better?
Kind of like RC's and James' 24-0 seasons.
Pit Row
I think Herlings would still win the outdoors championship in the AMA but not in the same fashion as in the GPs
45-minute motos would be one big difference.
Time to move up Jeffery, Clement and Tony are waiting.
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