~ GP's: Gossip , Rumours , Silly Season ~

Where is Rui going?

Good bike for Nagl, pumped for him.

Surprised Phillipaerts is getting the boot from that team, I thought he was still riding well. Who will replace him? Has Simpson earned a fulltime ride there?

Here was the latest news from French motoverte magazine

Monster Energy Yamaha Rinaldi : Steven Frossard, Joël Roelants
Honda World Motocross : Evgeny Bobryshev, Max Nagl
Rockstar Energy Suzuki World MX1 : Clément Desalle, Kevin Strijbos
Red Bull KTM Factory Racing : Antonio Cairoli, Ken De Dycker
Kawasaki Racing Team : Gautier Paulin, Jeremy Van Horebeek
Kawasaki Floride Racing : Tommy Searle
Kawasaki Ice One Racing : Xavier Boog ?, Rui Gonçalves ?, Dean Ferris ?, David Philippaerts ?
HM Plant KTM UK : Shaun Simpson
Yamaha JK Racing : Sébastien Pourcel ?
Honda Gariboldi : David Philippaerts ?
HM Plant KTM UK : Shaun Simpson
LS Honda Racing : Rui Gonçalves ?, Milko Potisek ?
Route77energy MVR-D Honda : Jason Dougan, Tanel Leok
TM : David Philippaerts ?
Kawasaki Ricci ? : ???
KTM Marchetti : Davide Guarneri
KTM STR : Jonathan Barragan, Matiss Karro ?

jo2910 wrote: Here was the latest news from French motoverte magazine

Monster Energy Yamaha Rinaldi : Steven Frossard, Joël Roelants
Honda World Motocross : Evgeny Bobryshev, Max Nagl
Rockstar Energy Suzuki World MX1 : Clément Desalle, Kevin Strijbos
Red Bull KTM Factory Racing : Antonio Cairoli, Ken De Dycker
Kawasaki Racing Team : Gautier Paulin, Jeremy Van Horebeek
Kawasaki Floride Racing : Tommy Searle
Kawasaki Ice One Racing : Xavier Boog ?, Rui Gonçalves ?, Dean Ferris ?, David Philippaerts ?
HM Plant KTM UK : Shaun Simpson
Yamaha JK Racing : Sébastien Pourcel ?
Honda Gariboldi : David Philippaerts ?
HM Plant KTM UK : Shaun Simpson
LS Honda Racing : Rui Gonçalves ?, Milko Potisek ?
Route77energy MVR-D Honda : Jason Dougan, Tanel Leok
TM : David Philippaerts ?
Kawasaki Ricci ? : ???
KTM Marchetti : Davide Guarneri
KTM STR : Jonathan Barragan, Matiss Karro ?

So not only is Searle and Roelants moving up next year, but Van Horebeek too.. Damn.. I had no idea.

Who the hell is going to take moto's away from Herlings now..?!! That class is going to suck!

MX1 Class however should be epic!! And still no ride for 377.. That sucks!

If Philippaerts goes to TM, that will be career suicide..

1-forty-8 wrote: If Philippaerts goes to TM, that will be career suicide..

That is what i was thinking!

...but (yea there is always a but) how badass would it be if they could put a bike together that was fully competitive? Those things sure look trick, if only that worked as good as they look lol

Who the hell is going to take moto's away from Herlings now..?!!

Nobody! and w/ how young he is, he could stay there and not only pile up the titles, prob make a pretty damn good dent in the record books. Isnt there like 7more years until he "ages out"?

1-forty-8 wrote: If Philippaerts goes to TM, that will be career suicide..

ocscottie wrote: That is what i was thinking!

...but (yea there is always a but) how badass would it be if they could put a bike together that was fully competitive? Those things sure look trick, if only that worked as good as they look lol

lol if only... Hopefully the dude has more options than that!

ocscottie wrote: Who the hell is going to take moto's away from Herlings now..?!!

Nobody! and w/ how young he is, he could stay there and not only pile up the titles, prob make a pretty damn good dent in the record books. Isnt there like 7more years until he "ages out"?

He's got till he's 23. And he's 17 now I think so maybe 6 more. So yea, dude could be like a 7 time MX2 champ if he likes lol Doubt him or KTM will want that happening though. He'll go after Cairoli in 2014 I reckon.

Apparantly you can only defend your MX2 title once though...
That MX1 class next season is going to be just crazy. With Frossard and Nagl hopefully doing a full season plus Searle, Van Horebeek and Roelants, that will be essentially five new guys in it next year.

I think I remember someone saying that you have 1 year to defend your MX2 title, then you have to move up. -McCready beat me to it

Sucks that Dean Ferris will probably lose his spot at Ice One, especially with a few big names without rides

jo2910 wrote: Here was the latest news from French motoverte magazine

Monster Energy Yamaha Rinaldi : Steven Frossard, Joël Roelants
Honda World Motocross : Evgeny Bobryshev, Max Nagl
Rockstar Energy Suzuki World MX1 : Clément Desalle, Kevin Strijbos
Red Bull KTM Factory Racing : Antonio Cairoli, Ken De Dycker
Kawasaki Racing Team : Gautier Paulin, Jeremy Van Horebeek
Kawasaki Floride Racing : Tommy Searle
Kawasaki Ice One Racing : Xavier Boog ?, Rui Gonçalves ?, Dean Ferris ?, David Philippaerts ?
HM Plant KTM UK : Shaun Simpson
Yamaha JK Racing : Sébastien Pourcel ?
Honda Gariboldi : David Philippaerts ?
HM Plant KTM UK : Shaun Simpson
LS Honda Racing : Rui Gonçalves ?, Milko Potisek ?
Route77energy MVR-D Honda : Jason Dougan, Tanel Leok
TM : David Philippaerts ?
Kawasaki Ricci ? : ???
KTM Marchetti : Davide Guarneri
KTM STR : Jonathan Barragan, Matiss Karro ?

KTM STR : Jonathan Barragan, Matiss Karro . Confirmed.

Scott KTM : Kenny Vandueren MX1.

Derpin' DJ wrote: I think I remember someone saying that you have 1 year to defend your MX2 title, then you have to move up. -McCready beat me to it

Sucks that Dean Ferris will probably lose his spot at Ice One, especially with a few big names without rides

Ferris is a really good rider, saw him in Italy and he impressed me, I hope he gets a decent ride next season he has potential. Unfortunately for him there are so many guys a similar level or higher with more experiance in GPs.

He has the desire and he is young and fast. If I was a team manager I would hire him as my number two guy.

ocscottie wrote: Who the hell is going to take moto's away from Herlings now..?!!

Nobody! and w/ how young he is, he could stay there and not only pile up the titles, prob make a pretty damn good dent in the record books. Isnt there like 7more years until he "ages out"?

1-forty-8 wrote: He's got till he's 23. And he's 17 now I think so maybe 6 more. So yea, dude could be like a 7 time MX2 champ if he likes lol Doubt him or KTM will want that happening though. He'll go after Cairoli in 2014 I reckon.

No There is a little rule in the Big rule book,

if u are the mx2 Champ, u only can defend it 1 time. so if Herlings is champ next year to. He has 2 options,
Us mx2 ore GP mx1

mccread wrote: Ferris is a really good rider, saw him in Italy and he impressed me, I hope he gets a decent ride next season he has potential. Unfortunately for him there are so many guys a similar level or higher with more experiance in GPs.

He has the desire and he is young and fast. If I was a team manager I would hire him as my number two guy.

Yeah, I hope he does stay! Rumours are that he will be back over here next year though, possibly with KTM. Matt Moss is doing SX only in the US as well. Kind of a shame, was good to see some new Aussies abroad.

Derpin' DJ wrote: I think I remember someone saying that you have 1 year to defend your MX2 title, then you have to move up. -McCready beat me to it

Sucks that Dean Ferris will probably lose his spot at Ice One, especially with a few big names without rides

How is Karro doing? Didn't he crash hard in Sweden?

*Edit: Sorry DJ, Didn't mean to quote you.*

Dave Thorpe should pick him up for the British Championship, and he would get to do half the GPs as well. That would be a pretty good compromise. He would get trained by Thorpe as well, who would have some great advice for him with the GPs, plus he should be at the front in the British battling with Simpson, Leok, Barr, Karro, Barragan ( if he has signed for STR) etc.

ocscottie wrote: Who the hell is going to take moto's away from Herlings now..?!!

Nobody! and w/ how young he is, he could stay there and not only pile up the titles, prob make a pretty damn good dent in the record books. Isnt there like 7more years until he "ages out"?

1-forty-8 wrote: He's got till he's 23. And he's 17 now I think so maybe 6 more. So yea, dude could be like a 7 time MX2 champ if he likes lol Doubt him or KTM will want that happening though. He'll go after Cairoli in 2014 I reckon.

henry zweers wrote: No There is a little rule in the Big rule book,

if u are the mx2 Champ, u only can defend it 1 time. so if Herlings is champ next year to. He has 2 options,
Us mx2 ore GP mx1

Must admit I didn't know about that rule. It seems a little unfair to me to force a young kid up to the mx1 class like that. I think he should get at least 2 more shots in the mx2 class IMO.. But hey, what do I know lol

That must be a pretty recent rule because Cairoli stayed in that class for another 3 years after winning his first title in 05.

Probably came in with that stupid 23 year old cutoff rule. The effects of that rule are really evident now. Got a ridiculously stacked MX1 class, where some good riders are missing out on rides, and a ridiculously weak MX2 class, where you've got alot of riders who have no shot at a podium, or even a top 5

1-forty-8 wrote: Must admit I didn't know about that rule. It seems a little unfair to me to force a young kid up to the mx1 class like that. I think he should get at least 2 more shots in the mx2 class IMO.. But hey, what do I know lol

That must be a pretty recent rule because Cairoli stayed in that class for another 3 years after winning his first title in 05.

I really don't like what Luongo & co. is doing to the MX2 class. In a couple of years it's going to be so weak that I wouldn't be surprised if the class would be moved to the same rounds with MX3.

If I was Herlings I would go to the US for a couple of years in MX2 just to experiance the US and say he has done it, then come back at 20/21 for MX1 and he still has ten years in that class. Bit like Searle has.

mccread wrote: If I was Herlings I would go to the US for a couple of years in MX2 just to experiance the US and say he has done it, then come back at 20/21 for MX1 and he still has ten years in that class. Bit like Searle has.

Yeah I like that idea. I mean, it's not like it would ruin his career going over there for a couple years and like you say he'd still have a full MX1 GP career ahead of him. I personally think it's done Tommy the world of good, I couldn't get over how much better he looked on the bike after he came back from the states.

So, kudos America

Reuver exit at ice1.

henry zweers wrote: No There is a little rule in the Big rule book,

if u are the mx2 Champ, u only can defend it 1 time. so if Herlings is champ next year to. He has 2 options,
Us mx2 ore GP mx1

1-forty-8 wrote: Must admit I didn't know about that rule. It seems a little unfair to me to force a young kid up to the mx1 class like that. I think he should get at least 2 more shots in the mx2 class IMO.. But hey, what do I know lol

That must be a pretty recent rule because Cairoli stayed in that class for another 3 years after winning his first title in 05.

Hanaa80 wrote: I really don't like what Luongo & co. is doing to the MX2 class. In a couple of years it's going to be so weak that I wouldn't be surprised if the class would be moved to the same rounds with MX3.

I hear ya. But saying that, when Rattray, Cairoli and Searle all left the MX2 class after the 08 season I thought it was going to suffer big time, but it just made way for new talent to emerge, like Musquin, Roczen and Herlings, so I have no doubt in my mind that the new cream will rise to the top after Herlings is done with that class. That Ferrandis and Tixier are guys I expect big things from. Maybe even Charlier once he gets his act together. I dunno man, we'll see.

At least the future is bright in the States, that'll give us something to watch and argue about

mccread wrote: If I was Herlings I would go to the US for a couple of years in MX2 just to experiance the US and say he has done it, then come back at 20/21 for MX1 and he still has ten years in that class. Bit like Searle has.

1-forty-8 wrote: Yeah I like that idea. I mean, it's not like it would ruin his career going over there for a couple years and like you say he'd still have a full MX1 GP career ahead of him. I personally think it's done Tommy the world of good, I couldn't get over how much better he looked on the bike after he came back from the states.

So, kudos America

You think? I don't think he came back any faster in 2011 than he was in 2008 tbh. I think this year was the best of his career though. His ride in Italy early in the year and the British GP were probably the best I have even seen him ride. Maybe kawi suits him better too.

As for MX2 class, yea you are right, someone always steps up. Gasjer, Ferrandis, Tonus, Tixier, Anstie, Febvre all will be quick. Once you run at the front you get confidence and get faster. Plenty coming through in a year or two with Hsu, Pootjes, etc.

mccread wrote: If I was Herlings I would go to the US for a couple of years in MX2 just to experiance the US and say he has done it, then come back at 20/21 for MX1 and he still has ten years in that class. Bit like Searle has.

1-forty-8 wrote: Yeah I like that idea. I mean, it's not like it would ruin his career going over there for a couple years and like you say he'd still have a full MX1 GP career ahead of him. I personally think it's done Tommy the world of good, I couldn't get over how much better he looked on the bike after he came back from the states.

So, kudos America

mccread wrote: You think? I don't think he came back any faster in 2011 than he was in 2008 tbh. I think this year was the best of his career though. His ride in Italy early in the year and the British GP were probably the best I have even seen him ride. Maybe kawi suits him better too.

As for MX2 class, yea you are right, someone always steps up. Gasjer, Ferrandis, Tonus, Tixier, Anstie, Febvre all will be quick. Once you run at the front you get confidence and get faster. Plenty coming through in a year or two with Hsu, Pootjes, etc.

I felt like he flowed a lot more on the bike to be honest, just looked better, his scrubs and stuff. I was blown away by how cool he looked at Matterley in 2011. I really enjoyed watching him there. And yeah this is his best year for sure. Be interesting how he does on the 450 next year.

Are you guys surprised that Searle continues with his current team in 450 and van Horebeek going to factory Kawi? Or is Searles ride a factory bike under different team? I guess a lot has to do with location of the team and personel thou..