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The GOAT.
Everyone always debates this one, but it's easy. RC4 is the GOAT.
Feel free to call me out if I am wrong but he did the following:
3 - 125 MX Championships
7 - 250/450 MX Championships
That's a decade of dominance right there.
5 250/450 Supercross Championships
2 perfect seasons in MX
Never lost a title he defended.
Seldom missed races due to injury.
Everyone always debates this one, but it's easy. RC4 is the GOAT.
Feel free to call me out if I am wrong but he did the following:
3 - 125 MX Championships
7 - 250/450 MX Championships
That's a decade of dominance right there.
5 250/450 Supercross Championships
2 perfect seasons in MX
Never lost a title he defended.
Seldom missed races due to injury.
R.C's numbers cant be denied.
The Shop
I'm pretty happy with that.
He won , I get that but he had very very favorable circumstances to do so.
Obama is his name Motocross was his game
Yea he was the greatest motocross rider of all time. Not supercross. Jeremy Mcgrath is, his championships and race wins speak for themselves. Of course this is holding all things constant and not comparing the context of the competition or race technology of each racers time.
https://youtu.be/v27Hk5OIe-k
https://youtu.be/yry0e6ShJwc
https://youtu.be/JnB9bvud6IU
You wanna compare RV and Everts, that's Michael and Lebron.
But I'm just talking results and riding style. Take away RV's injuries and he ha a lot of statistics that say he'd have probably won the titles he missed.
If Dungey doesn't DNF texas, then RV rides like a lunatic to make up points, and probably does. Just like Dungey closing on Kenny.
Either way, you can't say he won it just because of that. And if you do, I say Tortelli crashing and running out of fuel at Red Bud is the reason RC won... which we all know is ridiculous.
7 American Supercross Championships.
Enough said
Dungey wasn't going to wear down like ken did. He's in my opinion the fittest guy, and the best in the heat that the AMA series has. Fittest I suppose is relative but in the heat he's the man.
The gates dropped , and in the end rv has the #1 plate, but he also benefitted from mechanicals that cost dungey a minimum of one full moto.
Besides it doesn't matter, if James didn't take out Reedy at Houston in 11 SX, he woulda won that... And if Chad didn't crash at Millville he woulda won that series easy. And Same with Dallas in 2012.
So there.
Pit Row
Greatest in SX is obviously Jeremy.
Greatest in MX is obviously Carmichael.
Greatest combined is also obviously Carmichael. If you have to pick one, there's nobody else you can pick at the moment.
Jeremy is the king of SX and I doubt his SX record will ever be touched. Someone would have to come in like he did and start dominating straight away (due to more than just speed, maybe competition) and not lose focus or crash himself silly or get injured.
I'll also add:
(2) Perfect Seasons (24-0 moto; 12-0 o/a)
(1) No Hitter (12-0 o/a)
We never had a GOAT before RC and we still don't have a GOAT now. Will we ever? Only time will tell...
We don't have to pick anybody because we haven't had a real GOAT yet. The sport is still young.
If RC had 11 MX championships and 1 SX which still = 12 would that still make him the GOATt to MC's 7 Sx championships and 1 MX championship? In my opinion I don't think so. Combining them doesn't tell the whole story.
No matter how you put it nobody has ever been better than MC at SX. He has the numbers to prove it. In order to get the title the GOAT shouldn't you have to better than anybody that ever lived at BOTH disciplines? It's a pretty steep title and I think RC is as close as it gets to earning it but he didn't dominate SX like MC did.
I have got flamed for this same way of thinking before and no one else gets it. Well maybe Matthes.
I think to be the true GOAT. you have to have the most championships in each series. Simple as that.
Just like saying a world champion is the best rider in the world, but how is that possible if they don't race on American soil?
Not taking anything away from RC's accomplishments by any means.
I do think RC is the best MX racer to ever live. I don't think we will see the same caliber rider in MX as RC was nor will we ever see anyone match MC in SX.
I do think we have been lucky to have two of the best ever in the same generation.
It is so subjective, and not just in MX, in every sport, that it is stupid.
Yeah I guess it is good to bullshit about with your mates over a few beers at the pub but nobody has every won the "Goat" trophy have they? No because it doesn't exist it is all pure speculation.
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