Factory Yamaha 450 weight

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JT mentioned in the Rx season preview that Chad struggled with the weight of the Yamaha last year. He said he was racing against the "new age KTM and Honda which are featherweight bikes". I thought that at the factory level, they were all at the minimum weight limit. Is this not the case?
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12/20/2016 11:59am
I believe not all factory bikes make it to the min weight.
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12/20/2016 11:59am
im sure it wasnt the actual weight , maybe just the fell of it. alot of people say it feels big? maybe thats what they actaully meant?
12/20/2016 12:02pm Edited Date/Time 12/20/2016 12:02pm
I currently ride a newer Honda 450 and I rode a friends 17 Yamaha 450 that thing felt like a 4x4 quad. Super wide and fat
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ed921reyes wrote:
im sure it wasnt the actual weight , maybe just the fell of it. alot of people say it feels big? maybe thats what they actaully...
im sure it wasnt the actual weight , maybe just the fell of it. alot of people say it feels big? maybe thats what they actaully meant?
It was the feel AND the actual weight. Yamies are pigs. Chad said his factory bike was 9 lbs. heaver than Dunges KTM

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moto0852 wrote:
It was the feel AND the actual weight. Yamies are pigs. Chad said his factory bike was 9 lbs. heaver than Dunges KTM
Wow! 9 pounds at the factory level is crazy to me. I never would have guessed that they couldn't get it down to the min.
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12/20/2016 12:23pm
What's even crazier is Carlos say's they purposely build the KTM's to be at least 1.5 lbs. over the limit to allow for tire wear if they get weighted again after the race. Frankie said they could build the bikes to be 4 lbs. UNDER the weight limit it they wanted to!
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12/20/2016 12:43pm Edited Date/Time 12/20/2016 12:44pm
Some of them don't need to worry about being under the limit...at all.

In fact, good luck getting the AMA to show you the list after they've been weighed. Some of the teams wouldn't be happy.
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12/20/2016 12:43pm
AMA should drop weight limit 10-20lbs. Current rule seems to be dated.
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I think there's a good safety margin built in.
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12/20/2016 1:20pm
tek14 wrote:
AMA should drop weight limit 10-20lbs. Current rule seems to be dated.
+1
I know it is about safety and expense to the privateers but when KTM's are coming stock now very close to the weight limit it's time to drop it!

Don't penalize the companies who are willing to progress and inovate. Right now KTM has no reason or incentive to make there future models lighter.
12/20/2016 1:28pm
tek14 wrote:
AMA should drop weight limit 10-20lbs. Current rule seems to be dated.
+1
moto0852 wrote:
I know it is about safety and expense to the privateers but when KTM's are coming stock now very close to the weight limit it's time...
I know it is about safety and expense to the privateers but when KTM's are coming stock now very close to the weight limit it's time to drop it!

Don't penalize the companies who are willing to progress and inovate. Right now KTM has no reason or incentive to make there future models lighter.
Safety and expense aren't a problem to you it seems. KTM already had an issue with exploding front wheels and gears last year, but you want to drop the weight and encourage or entice manufacturers to push the limits some more?
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+1
moto0852 wrote:
I know it is about safety and expense to the privateers but when KTM's are coming stock now very close to the weight limit it's time...
I know it is about safety and expense to the privateers but when KTM's are coming stock now very close to the weight limit it's time to drop it!

Don't penalize the companies who are willing to progress and inovate. Right now KTM has no reason or incentive to make there future models lighter.
Safety and expense aren't a problem to you it seems. KTM already had an issue with exploding front wheels and gears last year, but you want...
Safety and expense aren't a problem to you it seems. KTM already had an issue with exploding front wheels and gears last year, but you want to drop the weight and encourage or entice manufacturers to push the limits some more?
Yes!
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12/20/2016 2:39pm
Well Febvre's bike is apparently 8 pounds heavier than a stock KTM, so I don't have much hope for Reed's blue boat.

I'd have rathered him on literally any other bike than this. He's always better on a better turning bike and now where's definitely a tick off all the time, fighting a bike is not going to help.
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12/20/2016 2:43pm
Ok, some of these bikes not being close could be heavier crank assemblies, etc...
So some of the riders can be their own worst enemy.
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I think a lot of people over-estimate how much weight ti hardware takes off a motorcross bike.
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KMC440 wrote:
Ok, some of these bikes not being close could be heavier crank assemblies, etc...
So some of the riders can be their own worst enemy.
I highly doubt a factory crank is heavier then a stock unit...
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12/20/2016 4:29pm Edited Date/Time 12/20/2016 4:34pm
tek14 wrote:
AMA should drop weight limit 10-20lbs. Current rule seems to be dated.
thats a horrible idea. The rule makes sense now more then ever because the bikes ARE heavier (i feel like this should be obvious). logically, if we were to change those rules, we would increase the minimum limit, not lower it.

Race car guys all understand the importance of controlling the costs of racing, yet a lot of motocross guys don't quite get it. Weight limits are one of the cornerstones of competitive motorsports, and the accuracy of those limits are absolutely imperative to fairness(costs) specifically in production based racing, where the threshold for diminishing returns is much lower,


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Katoomey wrote:
thats a horrible idea. The rule makes sense now more then ever because the bikes ARE heavier (i feel like this should be obvious). logically, if...
thats a horrible idea. The rule makes sense now more then ever because the bikes ARE heavier (i feel like this should be obvious). logically, if we were to change those rules, we would increase the minimum limit, not lower it.

Race car guys all understand the importance of controlling the costs of racing, yet a lot of motocross guys don't quite get it. Weight limits are one of the cornerstones of competitive motorsports, and the accuracy of those limits are absolutely imperative to fairness(costs) specifically in production based racing, where the threshold for diminishing returns is much lower,


That's a horrible idea? Really? Um, do you know what the term "Rotational Mass" means? It means that an object that has more mass will create a more forceful rotation and thus will create a more unfortunate destruction upon your body when you crash while riding said mass. Lowering the weight limits is the single smartest thing moto could do to ENSURE its future, not DESTROY it, as rider injuries are the single biggest threat we (moto) face. As someone who's got more surgical scars than he'd care to admit adorning his grisly hide, I'd gladly shell out MORE coin for a lighter (and thus safer) bike in exchange for spending LESS coin at the doc's office.
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Apparently the pre 16' KTM 450 motor can be bored out significantly more than the 16'+ motor. It's good that they are shaving weight and all but you reach a point where it can start to go downhill. I'd wager bikes stay in the 220 lb. range unless there is a crazy graphene breakthrough or something.
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How about less weight AND less horsepower. Won't destroy the tracks as quickly, and might just make the racing a little better. Hell, might as well go back to...............

Ummmm..........














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I currently ride a newer Honda 450 and I rode a friends 17 Yamaha 450 that thing felt like a 4x4 quad. Super wide and fat
Yup, I agree
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I currently ride a newer Honda 450 and I rode a friends 17 Yamaha 450 that thing felt like a 4x4 quad. Super wide and fat
JW381 wrote:
Yup, I agree
I test rode a New 450 at a Yamaha demo day and that thing felt like a boat. I had a yz250 at the time but damn I felt like I was just riding on top of that bike, so heavy in the air, turned like a bus, had ton of power but I was pretty fatigued after two laps of wrestling that bike. I wanted to love it but couldn't.
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12/20/2016 8:19pm
tek14 wrote:
AMA should drop weight limit 10-20lbs. Current rule seems to be dated.
Yes, the minimum weight limit applies to less than 1% of all mx bikes sold. Drop the weight another 10 pounds or so anyways. Let the free market and not the ama determine what people want.
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I currently ride a newer Honda 450 and I rode a friends 17 Yamaha 450 that thing felt like a 4x4 quad. Super wide and fat
JW381 wrote:
Yup, I agree
Pirate421 wrote:
I test rode a New 450 at a Yamaha demo day and that thing felt like a boat. I had a yz250 at the time but...
I test rode a New 450 at a Yamaha demo day and that thing felt like a boat. I had a yz250 at the time but damn I felt like I was just riding on top of that bike, so heavy in the air, turned like a bus, had ton of power but I was pretty fatigued after two laps of wrestling that bike. I wanted to love it but couldn't.
But Keefer will tell you it's the best bike in the world!
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The weight limit is sensible for the current technology and expense for a privateer to attempt to keep up.

When we're talking about stock versus racer: the racer has A LOT of additional "stuff" on it. Some bikes even have a pound or two of additional electronics. How about heavier suspension? Yup! Little things like adjustable/different levers and "additional controls"...etc. take a good look at what's bolted to the bars on some of those factory bikes...

As for Ti? There's different levels of Ti...as in how machining goes into the fasteners, the type of Ti, changes in fastener design...sometimes things are pretty complicated. Sometimes you use Al. fasteners in-place of steel. On rare occasion I've seen bikes with heavier and/or stiffer fasteners. Some of'em have extra battery capacity...and that's more weight.

Some bikes have lighter...and some bikes have heavier engine internals. Ever change out ALL the internal fasteners with Ti?

Wanna know how much YOU can save? Go take EVERY bolt, screw, washer, nut...every fastener OFF of your bike and weight it: subtract 50%. That's what we can take off with Ti and Al fasteners. Remember to pull that engine apart, too! Go weigh your shock spring, too. Don't forget your foot pegs. Carbon chain guide? Lightweight filter cage?

Ever hold a seat that's 1.5-2 pounds lighter? How light are some of the exhaust systems? Lighter hubs?

It's a lot of work to get the bike as light as possible AND make it feel right to the rider. But, you can take A LOT of weight off...it just takes time and money.
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12/20/2016 8:48pm
moto0852 wrote:
But Keefer will tell you it's the best bike in the world!
I'm not sure that's the case anymore. Laughing
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Safety and expense aren't a problem to you it seems. KTM already had an issue with exploding front wheels and gears last year, but you want...
Safety and expense aren't a problem to you it seems. KTM already had an issue with exploding front wheels and gears last year, but you want to drop the weight and encourage or entice manufacturers to push the limits some more?
While I'm a victim of this, the reason I keep buying KTM's is the way they handle the situations. It goes a long way when developing a relationship with a dealer.

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