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Also trips me out that GP guys don't have to run homologated OEM chassis or engines
Yet can not use Ti axles or pivots !?
#wtf
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Chad Reed @CRtwotwo · Sep 2
Man I feel sorry for the GP guys having to ride bikes so slow
1st day riding with FIM fuel and sound
F**k, an old technophobe such as I can bring them up on a tablet in the Zurich airport - just try pressing buttons, boys.
FIM - full works bikes allowed, but not that many are. Hell, CP in 2012 preferred a modified KX450 over the full SR he was offered. Looking at pictures of the GPs this year, showing Desalle and Strijbos going into a corner together, you could see totally different 'Y' pieces to the cradle / downtube junction. I can't recall which one of DeSalle or Strijbos is the 'conservative' one - using essentially the same bike for several seasons, whilst the other far more readily embraces more 'upgrades'.
As Reed pointed out in several interviews through the MXDN, Moss being given DeSalles bike to use, was not neccessarily an advantage for him. Well, it seems he felt it was quite a mistake to use someone elses bike, made specifically for Desalle.
Weights - so close as to be not an issue. It's said,in many mags, by well informed people, that KTMs "Works" 250s, are still about 6 to 7lbs above the weight limit - where the BikeIT / Cosworth Yamaha 250 (of last year) was easily hitting the 95kg - without fuel - limit.
So, Weights =
US 125 2T =194lb - FIM 125 2T = 193.6lb
US 250 4T = 212lb - FIM 250 4T = 209lb.
US 250 2T = 212lb - FIM 250 - 2T = 215.6lb
US 450 4T = 220lb - FIM 450 4T = 217.8lb
So, buggerall difference - indeed, you get doubly f**cked over if you chose to use a 250 2T in the MXGP class.
Have a real good look at the top teams in the US's bikes - they push the 'production rules', to the 'nth' degree - just as one would expect serious teams to do.
That 'pretty' Ti Tank on the Japanese Team bike - well, it's been used in the US / Europe, but just without the 'rainbow' finish.. Nothing stopping it's use, or CF tanks being used.
If Reeds bike was so much heavier than the then "Works Suzukis", it was down to Suzuki USA, at the time, not making a serious effort, and I very much doubt they didn't. Then - 2009 / 10?, there was basically the same weight regs, between the FIM and AMA Pro, as now - at the most, 1kg difference . As the SX series - 450s - is an FIM World Championships, I'd say the same regs apply - FIM regs. Sound regs - still a bit different, and they are seriously enforced in the GPs. From a video interview earlier this year with Roger, it appears that sound regs are still a bit laxly enforced in the US - well from what RDc said, he seemed quite unimpressed that they weren't being enforced strictly. I forget the year - 2011 / 2012? - that RV pipped Dungey for the outdoors, but there was one race where RV really yard saled his bike, damaging, if not totalling his muffler , but still finishing the moto, with no penalty - if it were a GP he was in, he would have been DQ'd, and he would have lost the title that year. The points were that close. That same year, in GPs, a few top riders, were black flagged for damaged exhausts, and / or had points / results removed from them - it didn't matter a flying f**ck what your name was, and that's as it should be - though it's bloody harsh for 'real' crash damage. Rules is Rules though. And still, riders are regularly black flagged / or 'after moto', DQ'd for crash damaged exhausts' noise levels.
The trick Electric Start 450 Yamaha? - that mongrel journalists have been rather sparing of showing good pictures of, is, reportedly, an entirely Rinaldi Yamaha Team effort. Rinaldi having the cases etc made up. Hell of an effort that - but Rinaldi Yamaha have been making many 'kit' parts for a lot years now. They do huge amounts of Yamaha Development and sell major 'kit' parts - Dacks Team here in OZ being a long time user of them, for OZ readers that don't know - but, the average bloke can buy Rinaldi parts - just $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ required. The shock under the Kawis engine - cripes, that was a long, long time ago - Jan De Groots Team bikes are the ones I recall as being seen on Kawi 250 2ts.
Top US riders - as all 3 of your riders this year (well, any year) are, are in no way disadvantaged by the bikes they race during the year, and then at the MXDN. Fuel Spec and Noise Limits are still thrown up as a 'problem' as shown by a previous posters Reed quote - , though they are supposed to be becoming ever the same. Strange that that still exists.
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So, Weights =
US 125 2T =194lb - FIM 125 2T = 193.6lb
US 250 4T = 212lb - FIM 250 4T = 209lb.
US 250 2T = 212lb - FIM 250 - 2T = 215.6lb
US 450 4T = 220lb - FIM 450 4T = 217.8lb
My 2012 KXF450 I think comes in at 249lbs wet......that's a 30lb difference! Most stock 450's are between 240-250lbs.....that is a LOT of weight! I have a 2006 RM 250 which I think weighs something like 215lbs?....but that thing feels like a mountain bike ( in weight ) compared to my 450.
So if a guy was to shed 30lbs off a 450......he damn well could get away with losing 3-5HP and be just fine! Sure as hell wouldn't wear you out as quick.
That is the thing tho. Those weight limits are AFTER the race... Semi dry I call it. oil and little or no fuel...
Those claimed weights I put on the page before, Suzuki says 245 or 249, that's supposedly with fuel. I have no idea if it's right or not.
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