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Forgive my ignorance. I know there is a production rule in the US series, is there one for MXGP? How similar is the equipment? I seem to remember back in 1987 that Hannah rode a very works level 125 at the MXDN held at Unadilla (not that it mattered in the mud).
I'm curious how similar the bikes the US team rides are compared to the Euros. Not that it would have mattered for the results, but it would be interesting to know.
I'm curious how similar the bikes the US team rides are compared to the Euros. Not that it would have mattered for the results, but it would be interesting to know.
That's a lot of poundage to carry extra over a moto, and even more over the weekend.
The Shop
Reed once said the AMA bikes were rocketships compared to GP bikes but GP bikes were easier to adjust to and didnt require as much fine tuning
As for the MXON, each team built there bike like every other team did. Whatever the rules were, every country maxed them out.
15-20 less pounds and 5 less horsepower or the other way around?
Not even a question for me. Did you see any ama bikes outdrag the GP bikes?
The bikes weigh the same because USA and all the europe guys built there bikes to the MXON rules, whatever they are.
Trust me USA has enough expirience with the MXON and know how to set there bikes up for that weekend. Same with every other country!
This all makes me laugh because anytime other than this "the bike means less than 15%" or "its all the rider not what ur on"
all the bikes at that level are so amazing who gives a crap. USA got beat, straight up. And the bikes had nothing to do with it except dungey being stuck in 2nd gear.
Did I say a rider complained? No.
Did I say a rider said his bike was lighter? Yes.
And then I offered my opinion on what i'd prefer. That's all. I mean really, what the fuck difference does it make to me down here if America loses. Please. Shut the fuck up.
And traction control, mapping switch and oil coolers are allowed in AMA too. Big difference is they are allowed to change the frame in the GPs. Main and sub.
Your simply making excuses.
Pretty much saying European riders had the upper hand with there equiptment.
It's a fact that the euro bikes are lighter and have less power. That's coming straight from their mouths.
All I said is i'd rather ride a slightly lighter and less powerful bike. Fuck, I have a 350 for that exact reason.
Whatever hatred you have for your southern neighbours has nothing to do with any factual statement i've written. That's your comprehension and personal bias. While we're at it, what else have I made up or what "excuses" have I put forward? I haven't put any excuses forward at all, and I've got no interest to do so... Dummy.
Actually after re-reading your post, why am I even talking about comprehension, you can't even string a proper sentence together.
People like you make me mad because team USA themselves said no excuses but guys like you in every post are saying "jet leg" or "bikes not as good" or whatever other bullshit makes semi sence..
If you looked at my posts from 1-2 months ago i was betting everyone USA will win, well they didnt, and i admitted i was wrong.
And BTW what makes you think USA didnt build there bike like a euro bike for the MXON?
Pit Row
So let me get this straight. You say I'm not even talking about team Australia (BTW, I referenced Reed and not caring who wins as an Aussie). But as a Canadian, the USA is your favourite team and you bet on them to win. Ok.
You can't spell congratulated. Or sense. Or use a hyphen in a made up word.
If you read my posts regarding jet leg, as you call it, you'll see they were all with the disclaimer of "I don't know if he is" or "if that is the case" because the riders themselves hadn't said anything about it. Another poster had said it might be a concern... And another saying it doesn't affect him getting up early to watch a race so there is no reason it should effect an athlete's performance. Which is complete horse-shit. Why the fuck would they go early then? Why not fly into the race the day of? Yeah that's why, because it's bullshit.
And did I say the USA bikes didn't build their bikes? No I didn't. In fact, I have no fucking clue if they did or didn't. I'd bet money you don't either. Team KTM, Geico Honda and Yamaha would be the only people who could tell you that. If I had to bet, I'd say they don't do much except fuel and sound mods, because the race is already costing them a lot, and theoretically removing a lot of weight would be a handling and suspension concern.
All I said is that given the choice, and based on Reed's comments a few years ago, where he said there is a huge weight difference, that I'd rather a lighter and less powerful bike over a weekends racing. For obvious fucking reasons, all of which seems to be lost on your ingenious mind.
Please come back with some more insightful intelligent babble. You're making yourself look like a fool, I'm happy to keep highlighting it.
I remember at the 2010 des nations, Andrew Short's Honda failing tech inspection because it came in under weight.
Anyways
No, USA is my favourite team with a chance of winning, Canada is my favourite team.
Stewarts my favourite rider so maybe if he was on the team, or allowed to race in the des nations my opinions would be a bit different
But from a spectators point of view it would make alot of sense for the teams to try give there riders an upper hand so no i dont think that they brought bikes that weighed 15-20 pounds more than the euro bikes.
But anyways were arguing over a dead horse here, France won and nothing will change that. Next year maybe we can see USA on top again only time will tell. Unti then we can only speculate.
I have no doubt that the Euro and AMA bikes are quite a bit different, but that's because the racing and tracks are entirely different. To say that one bike is "better" than the other would be nonsense in my eyes. The days where "works" bikes only shared about 10% with a production bikes are long over, as the production bikes of nowadays have come so far.
250 is 95kg.
These have a 1% tolerance after a race so that's oil and some or little fuel then. Or semi dry.
http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/alfresco/2013_Motocross_Tech_rules.pdf brought in in 10 or 11 by looks of it.
A stock rmz is listed as 113 wet by Suzuki. Who knows if that's legit. Assuming it is and fuel weight equal to water, (is it?) that's 7.2kgs from 113. So call it 106 semi dry if true...
So there is a window of 12-14 pounds give or take from minimum to stock. Sure Newman or someone could guesstimate what a full ti kit drops, ti exhaust and trimmed plastics all drop something... but aftermarket wheels aren't lighter, some factory teams have mag hubs still but heavy duty rims... Anything billet is often more than cast unless for some crazy machining... Light seat and battery or starter if a pumpkin...
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