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How many weekends in a row are lappers going to be blamed for Roczen's mistakes? That excuse has been used in 3 out of the 4 rounds so far... Last weekend it was lappers causing him to crash in the turn... this week its another lapper causing him to briefly lay it over.
Unless it's a riders "home" track, I don't think riding it once per year is much advantage, if any.
Just my opinion.
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did i miss it?
also, is your agenda the same if it were Roczen coming from behind and Tomac falling with a big lead?
i know, big IF, but some of you guys act like Roczen is under performing.
and yes, he did pull away from the same two guys that last week everyone was saying he was way off their pace
-Yep, when Roczen wins... and he will, I would/will say the same.
-I think Roczen is doing fine and will only get better from here. I've said it in other threads. I think he just has to get his confidence back. All speculation-but I think SX got in his head a little bit. Once he wins a moto, I predict he starts winning more motos.
-What I don't agree with is taking anything away from the other 3 guys. i.e. Tomac starts in the back of the pack and catches the leaders and yet Roczen "schooled" them. That "schooling" post is what I responded to.
"tell us about your win today, Marvin."
"Well you know, today I had a bowl of oatmeal, it was delicious, and...um....so many fans I think you, all my fans, I'm just really excited to be here, very excite. "
He is my favorite non-American, hands down. His enthusiasm bleed out of my television screen so much I run down to my garage, fire my bike up and panic rev it a few times before the second moto.
The intensity comments were flying thick and fast about Baggett, Barcia and Tomac whilst Roczen was quietly getting on with leading the race.
How can their intensity be at another level when Roczen was 9 sec's infront?
Taking nothing away from Tomac who had a fantastic ride through the pack, perhaps "the ride" so far in his career.
It's going to be a very interesting title battle, my money's still on Roczen. Perhaps consistancy will win out in the end?
"quietly getting on with leading the race"
Will Hann was leading the race like Roczen, he schooled no one, like Roczen.
"Perhaps consistancy will win out in the end?"
I said this in the first two races, and though 4th in points he still poses a threat, anything can happen, but IMHO, the top 3 Americans are schooling Roczen, Class is in, and he better learn quickly or if the others remain consistent, he will be 4th in the championship
Roczen even admitted to 'sandbagging' the first moto, so I think Emig's observation was spot on.
Just watch the actual races.
Baggett, Barcia, and Tomac are just pushing so much harder than everyone else. Even though Rozen is crazy fast he isn't pushing it like the other front runners. Over a long reason of 24 motos this might work in his favor but in the short term they are running over him. Marvin is also super fast but zero intensity.
Watch a couple of motos and it's easy to see.
I don't think Roczen in under performing either,yes I thought he have had a win by now but all these guys are running some 450 times,that's Dungey and Stewart,not the rest,all the others in the 450 class would be outclassed by the front 250 riders.I think a lot of people forget that by all accounts it should be that much mor difficult for Roczen to win when he goes over there just like it would be for one of the Americans to come and do the GPs,but he's right up there,maybe a little unlucky to not have got a win yet,maybe his inexperience of racing in the new series
The board would've had a massively different look to it if he had held on to win his 1st ever race at Hangtown
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How can SX not have effected his confidence? He got beat; convincingly & repeatedly.
Bar his early rookie races (at 14/15 years old), 2012 SX was the first time that any competitor has truly had his number. That's got to take some getting used to, and wonder if he brought some of that baggage to the Nationals.
Apart from a round or 2 I don't know if he honestly expected to win coming into this year on the East coast or then the West after the broken arm,Barcia,but I really think the injury rocked him,it messed up plans,gave him a lot of free time and put him back,at 17 it was his first surgery and first major setback of his career,also along with it came the arm pump problems,I think its a number of factors why he's maybe a click away from where he could/should be,the way of racing the outdoors adding to things
I don't think its just all about getting beat for the first time,he didn't have it all his own way at many times in the GPs,Herlings gave him a big ass kicking a few times and got onto his level,Kenny wasn't so invincible afterall
Barcia & especially Tomac have really stepped it up this year and good for them! Its just a shame Wilson is missing out on the action.
Lets give both series they respect.
But yeah I agree with you 100%, thats why I posted that picture. I think everyone expected Baggett to be very strong but considering how they fared last year Im almost certain that Tomac and Barcia's great form so far has come as a surprise to most people. Last year, with all things considered, I think you could argue Roczen was the No.1 lites rider in the world, but this year, in America, he has some very strong competition (who have undoubtably improved since last year) and whoever wins the title this season probably will earn that mantle.
Considering his position as kind of the odd on out in that 'fab four' I think he's holding his own pretty well has been extremely consistent so far. If he can keep it up it will put him in very good stead come the end of the season, but in order to stay in touch he really needs to start finishing off these races that he keeps throwing away in the latter stages!
"Dominating a one off race with 2 other fast "lites" guys in it is one thing, winning an ama national moto/overall/championship is a whole other deal....."
I can agree to an extent,many people feel this way about the MXdN,yes it's flawed in the sense that it's never going to be a true reflection of how GP boys will do in AMA series and how the AMA riders would peform in a GP season
Having said that,you can only comment on the race itself at the time,some shine like Roczen and obviously Villopoto's awesome ride at Budds Creek,they can only race who's on the start line,but they are not racing all the AMA/GP riders all at the same time
I don't think so, he has done it. Previously he would crash be inconsistent. This year he is much more consistent and he is still first in points.
"By whose standards is he underperforming? "
By Jeff's standards. He said he expected he would do better during the announcment, he said that the other three were riding with greater intensity that he did not see in either world champ. If you are truthful with yourself, most people here expected him to do better than he has, at least have one win a quarter of the way into the outdoors. Personally I thought he would have troubles and that he was top 5 at best because I don't thing the GP riders are in the same league as the Americans (and both world champs are proving that as we watch), but others set expectations much higher and he hasn't performed.
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