Dungey to debut 2013 KTM 450

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 8:10pm
...from what ive heard, Dungey will debuting the new fuel injected 450 at the beginning of the SX season.
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Freddy 9/17/2011 10:57am
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I heard it was the 2015 350.
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fader418 9/17/2011 11:07am
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I like the Dunge alot! Can he win on a KTM? well I hope so! But racing against JS7 on a Suzuki and RV2,TC41,CR22, etc....its not going to be easy to win no matter what bike he is on...

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bradmx421 9/17/2011 11:17am
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Breaking news! HAR!!! Dizzy
lol..... i could also tell u the truth of why short is hurt. testing this bike, jumping a step on ---step off and it crapped out on the lip
gutter shield 29 9/17/2011 11:17am
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I think he should OFFICIALLY sign with KTM before we start talking about debut of bikes
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bradmx421 9/17/2011 11:19am
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gutter shield 29 wrote:
I think he should OFFICIALLY sign with KTM before we start talking about debut of bikes
he already officially signed, they just havent officially announced it as of yet....
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The Universe 9/17/2011 11:24am
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gutter shield 29 wrote:
I think he should OFFICIALLY sign with KTM before we start talking about debut of bikes
Yeah, no one should talk about moto on a moto board until the official results are released by the sanctioning body. Derp.
gutter shield 29 9/17/2011 11:25am
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gutter shield 29 wrote:
I think he should OFFICIALLY sign with KTM before we start talking about debut of bikes
bradmx421 wrote:
he already officially signed, they just havent officially announced it as of yet....
Do you have a source for this besides the rumors on here?
Last I heard he was on team Hurricane
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bradmx421 9/17/2011 11:38am
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gutter shield 29 wrote:
I think he should OFFICIALLY sign with KTM before we start talking about debut of bikes
bradmx421 wrote:
he already officially signed, they just havent officially announced it as of yet....
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Do you have a source for this besides the rumors on here?
Last I heard he was on team Hurricane
no actually that was stewart who signed with Team Hurricane(i made that post)

i do have plenty of sources......who shall not b named, but they are highly credible.

keep in mind i work for the top Motocross shop in So Cal, i worked for Team MotoXXX for 4 years....and have plenty of friends in the industry
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kongols 9/17/2011 11:44am
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What about all them AMA rules for that bike to be allowed to race in USA.
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braaap 9/17/2011 11:46am
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fader418 wrote:
I like the Dunge alot! Can he win on a KTM? well I hope so! But racing against JS7 on a Suzuki and RV2,TC41,CR22, etc....its not...
I like the Dunge alot! Can he win on a KTM? well I hope so! But racing against JS7 on a Suzuki and RV2,TC41,CR22, etc....its not going to be easy to win no matter what bike he is on...
I agree but the pumpkin will NOT be a handicap.

I'll bet most people bagging on KTM have never even ridden the later models. The bikes are really good.
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bradmx421 9/17/2011 11:59am
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kongols wrote:
What about all them AMA rules for that bike to be allowed to race in USA.
they just have to have so many of those bikes in warehouses or dealers within a certain amount of time from when he starts racing it. same as when they debuted the 350...etc
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Shit! I guess RV will have to bust out the 2014 to keep up!! Woohoo
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bradmx421 9/17/2011 12:02pm
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Under the AMA Supercross/Motocross Approval Application only a "manufacturer" can apply a bike for homologation (not a rider or dealer). Additionally, the applications says that there must be 400 units of that model available at U.S. dealerships. No one knows if this rule is even remotely enforced and there were rumors that it would be changed, but the Approval Application still lists 400 units.

The 400 bikes must be in the country by June 1 of the current season—which means that a manufacture could race the complete Supercross season with a works bike...and then on June 1 introduce a less sophisticated production version. Verification of the 400 units is done by notarized bills of lading.
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kongols 9/17/2011 12:05pm
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kongols wrote:
What about all them AMA rules for that bike to be allowed to race in USA.
bradmx421 wrote:
they just have to have so many of those bikes in warehouses or dealers within a certain amount of time from when he starts racing it...
they just have to have so many of those bikes in warehouses or dealers within a certain amount of time from when he starts racing it. same as when they debuted the 350...etc
Are your (GL) warehouses big enough? You are KTM dealers now, aren`t you?
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bradmx421 9/17/2011 12:09pm
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kongols wrote:
What about all them AMA rules for that bike to be allowed to race in USA.
bradmx421 wrote:
they just have to have so many of those bikes in warehouses or dealers within a certain amount of time from when he starts racing it...
they just have to have so many of those bikes in warehouses or dealers within a certain amount of time from when he starts racing it. same as when they debuted the 350...etc
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Are your (GL) warehouses big enough? You are KTM dealers now, aren`t you?
we are a KTM dealer now, yes. as for us getting these...who knows.....plenty of KTM dealers im sure will take these. 400 units just have to be in the states by June 1st.....so he could ride a complete works bike until that time

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Do they have to be for sale on June 1st or just in the country?
the rulebook states they have to be in dealers, doesnt specify that they have to be for sale. i would assume dealers wouldnt stock them unless they could sell them. so i think that they would be for sale at that time
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Scooby 9/17/2011 1:14pm
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Lots of good info in here! Thanks Brad!
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Faceaz 9/17/2011 1:38pm
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If true, I was thinking they would call it a 2012 1/2 model.
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Faceaz wrote:
If true, I was thinking they would call it a 2012 1/2 model.
ah, the good ol days.
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Tim507 9/17/2011 6:27pm
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I bet Ryan D has already ridden the bikeSmile
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bigborefan 9/17/2011 6:29pm
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KTM is the new Honda folks, get over it. They got deep pockets and are willing to spend the money. They make lots of bikes, not just a 250 and 450 4 banger.

I don't get why you guys dislike seeing another brand join the races. With Suzuki on life support you would gave what left, the big three?
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it'll be what alessi is riding in the nationals. the 450 XC is EFI, the SX isnt. so 450XC it is. not to mention, the 450XC engine alone is 6lbs lighter than the SX motor.
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bigborefan wrote:
KTM is the new Honda folks, get over it. They got deep pockets and are willing to spend the money. They make lots of bikes, not...
KTM is the new Honda folks, get over it. They got deep pockets and are willing to spend the money. They make lots of bikes, not just a 250 and 450 4 banger.

I don't get why you guys dislike seeing another brand join the races. With Suzuki on life support you would gave what left, the big three?
I for one do not dislike seeing another brand joining the fray. That doesn't mean I have to automatically think it is just as good or better than the proven bikes that have been out there. I still see KTM as a slight disadvantage taking on any of the Japanese bikes at the factory level. Very very slight. With that said, I think Dungey wins the 2010 MX title on a KTM 450 still. Throw in that animal named Villopoto though and it changes the whole landscape. I think Dungey and the Suzuki meshed very well and may have a lot to do with his success. Time will tell if that can translate to the KTM. Sometimes a bike change works wonders for a guy (RV and the 2012?) sometimes it is a step backwards if only due to personal preference (Metcalfe on the Suzuki?). I'm a big Dungey fan but can't help seeing him struggle with the change. By struggle, I mean lose a fraction of a second a lap to RV. The Suzuki might have been one of the best setups on the track after all the years with RC and then Dungey in it. There is no doubt Dungey is good enough to easily finish 2nd on a KTM, but beat RV more often than not? Will the KTM be up to it? We will see.
gutter shield 29 9/17/2011 8:23pm
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gutter shield 29 wrote:
Do they have to be for sale on June 1st or just in the country?
bradmx421 wrote:
the rulebook states they have to be in dealers, doesnt specify that they have to be for sale. i would assume dealers wouldnt stock them unless...
the rulebook states they have to be in dealers, doesnt specify that they have to be for sale. i would assume dealers wouldnt stock them unless they could sell them. so i think that they would be for sale at that time
Right on, I didnt know if they had to be in the dealers hands or not at that point. Which means they will prob have to be shipping shipping them out quite a bit sooner.
I would just like to see some actual announcements on the teams for next year. Im chomping at the bit to see where people and sponsors ( San Manuel) are going
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Flatliner 9/17/2011 8:55pm
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bigborefan wrote:
KTM is the new Honda folks, get over it. They got deep pockets and are willing to spend the money. They make lots of bikes, not...
KTM is the new Honda folks, get over it. They got deep pockets and are willing to spend the money. They make lots of bikes, not just a 250 and 450 4 banger.

I don't get why you guys dislike seeing another brand join the races. With Suzuki on life support you would gave what left, the big three?
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I for one do not dislike seeing another brand joining the fray. That doesn't mean I have to automatically think it is just as good or...
I for one do not dislike seeing another brand joining the fray. That doesn't mean I have to automatically think it is just as good or better than the proven bikes that have been out there. I still see KTM as a slight disadvantage taking on any of the Japanese bikes at the factory level. Very very slight. With that said, I think Dungey wins the 2010 MX title on a KTM 450 still. Throw in that animal named Villopoto though and it changes the whole landscape. I think Dungey and the Suzuki meshed very well and may have a lot to do with his success. Time will tell if that can translate to the KTM. Sometimes a bike change works wonders for a guy (RV and the 2012?) sometimes it is a step backwards if only due to personal preference (Metcalfe on the Suzuki?). I'm a big Dungey fan but can't help seeing him struggle with the change. By struggle, I mean lose a fraction of a second a lap to RV. The Suzuki might have been one of the best setups on the track after all the years with RC and then Dungey in it. There is no doubt Dungey is good enough to easily finish 2nd on a KTM, but beat RV more often than not? Will the KTM be up to it? We will see.
Good post. I see ktm for the general public, and at the pro level in euqope equal to the japanese bikes. Having said that, this new bike is totally unproven, with no one but dungey to develop it. They are behind the eight ball supercross.
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fader418 wrote:
I like the Dunge alot! Can he win on a KTM? well I hope so! But racing against JS7 on a Suzuki and RV2,TC41,CR22, etc....its not...
I like the Dunge alot! Can he win on a KTM? well I hope so! But racing against JS7 on a Suzuki and RV2,TC41,CR22, etc....its not going to be easy to win no matter what bike he is on...
I think it's not going to be easy for any of them to win.....isn't as as simple as RC vs Chad Reed days...
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ocscottie wrote:
Breaking news! HAR!!! Dizzy
bradmx421 wrote:
lol..... i could also tell u the truth of why short is hurt. testing this bike, jumping a step on ---step off and it crapped out...
lol..... i could also tell u the truth of why short is hurt. testing this bike, jumping a step on ---step off and it crapped out on the lip
oh really?

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