Dungey - Vegas

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Edited Date/Time 5/4/2014 9:57am
With Stewarts knee issue, Dungey squeaked into second place overall of the SX series....... How important would it be and Does Dungey go for the win in Vegas.... Can he win in Vegas ?

The past few weeks Dungey has seemed to go backwards and Barcia, Canard and Tomac are some Hungry Red Riders....
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If I was Dungey I would be at Glen Helen today and for the next few weeks. Forget Vegas, that's over. The last thing he needs is another 2nd place in the SX championship.

I know I know, not gonna happen. That's just what I would do if I were him. I'm just frustrated by how many times he's come in 2nd, and I'm not even the one on the bike.
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4/28/2014 11:49am
TriRacer27 wrote:
If I was Dungey I would be at Glen Helen today and for the next few weeks. Forget Vegas, that's over. The last thing he needs...
If I was Dungey I would be at Glen Helen today and for the next few weeks. Forget Vegas, that's over. The last thing he needs is another 2nd place in the SX championship.

I know I know, not gonna happen. That's just what I would do if I were him. I'm just frustrated by how many times he's come in 2nd, and I'm not even the one on the bike.
Check the standings over the past few years. Dungey has never finished 2nd in the series.

2010 - 1st
2011 - 3rd to Reed
2012 - 3rd to Millsaps
2013 - 3rd to Millsaps
4/28/2014 12:16pm
TriRacer27 wrote:
If I was Dungey I would be at Glen Helen today and for the next few weeks. Forget Vegas, that's over. The last thing he needs...
If I was Dungey I would be at Glen Helen today and for the next few weeks. Forget Vegas, that's over. The last thing he needs is another 2nd place in the SX championship.

I know I know, not gonna happen. That's just what I would do if I were him. I'm just frustrated by how many times he's come in 2nd, and I'm not even the one on the bike.
Feldspar wrote:
Check the standings over the past few years. Dungey has never finished 2nd in the series. 2010 - 1st 2011 - 3rd to Reed 2012 -...
Check the standings over the past few years. Dungey has never finished 2nd in the series.

2010 - 1st
2011 - 3rd to Reed
2012 - 3rd to Millsaps
2013 - 3rd to Millsaps
See, Exactly, people only remember the Champ, skip Vegas and go to Glen Helen today!
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Total Career AMA Wins
12 in Supercross Lites Class
14 in Supercross Class 6-2010 1-2011 4-2012 2-2013 1-2014
7 in Motocross 250 Class 3-2008 4-2009
27 in Motocross 450 Class 10-2010 4-2011 10-2012 3-2013
48 AMA total wins

2008 Lites 2nd
2011 450 2nd
2013 450 2nd

2009 250 1st
2010 450 1st
2010 SX 1st
2012 450 1st

Not bad considering all the people disappointed in his results..

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4/28/2014 12:25pm
TriRacer27 wrote:
If I was Dungey I would be at Glen Helen today and for the next few weeks. Forget Vegas, that's over. The last thing he needs...
If I was Dungey I would be at Glen Helen today and for the next few weeks. Forget Vegas, that's over. The last thing he needs is another 2nd place in the SX championship.

I know I know, not gonna happen. That's just what I would do if I were him. I'm just frustrated by how many times he's come in 2nd, and I'm not even the one on the bike.
Feldspar wrote:
Check the standings over the past few years. Dungey has never finished 2nd in the series. 2010 - 1st 2011 - 3rd to Reed 2012 -...
Check the standings over the past few years. Dungey has never finished 2nd in the series.

2010 - 1st
2011 - 3rd to Reed
2012 - 3rd to Millsaps
2013 - 3rd to Millsaps
You are right.

Doesn't change my opinion though. 2nd or 3rd, who cares, on to the next. Especially if RV is going to race outdoors.
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4/28/2014 12:25pm
TriRacer27 wrote:
If I was Dungey I would be at Glen Helen today and for the next few weeks. Forget Vegas, that's over. The last thing he needs...
If I was Dungey I would be at Glen Helen today and for the next few weeks. Forget Vegas, that's over. The last thing he needs is another 2nd place in the SX championship.

I know I know, not gonna happen. That's just what I would do if I were him. I'm just frustrated by how many times he's come in 2nd, and I'm not even the one on the bike.
Feldspar wrote:
Check the standings over the past few years. Dungey has never finished 2nd in the series. 2010 - 1st 2011 - 3rd to Reed 2012 -...
Check the standings over the past few years. Dungey has never finished 2nd in the series.

2010 - 1st
2011 - 3rd to Reed
2012 - 3rd to Millsaps
2013 - 3rd to Millsaps
See, Exactly, people only remember the Champ, skip Vegas and go to Glen Helen today!
If poto does indeed race the entire outdoors, it doesn't matter what Dungey does. He will still play 2nd or 3rd fiddle.
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sc961 wrote:
Total Career AMA Wins 12 in Supercross Lites Class 14 in Supercross Class 6-2010 1-2011 4-2012 2-2013 1-2014 7 in Motocross 250 Class 3-2008 4-2009 27...
Total Career AMA Wins
12 in Supercross Lites Class
14 in Supercross Class 6-2010 1-2011 4-2012 2-2013 1-2014
7 in Motocross 250 Class 3-2008 4-2009
27 in Motocross 450 Class 10-2010 4-2011 10-2012 3-2013
48 AMA total wins

2008 Lites 2nd
2011 450 2nd
2013 450 2nd

2009 250 1st
2010 450 1st
2010 SX 1st
2012 450 1st

Not bad considering all the people disappointed in his results..
If you put in as much work as he does you would be disappointed too.

I'm not saying they are bad results, just saying why bother going to Vegas if you can instead get a head start on your competition?
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4/28/2014 12:37pm Edited Date/Time 4/28/2014 12:38pm
Dungey is a victim of his own success. He came out in 2010 and won everything and all of a sudden we all thought he was FMOTP. He won those championships vs a semi depleted field. The reality of it is he isn't and has never been a match for poto day in and day out. He is just a few clicks off over the course of a season. If he hadn't won in 2010 I think he wouldn't be getting anywhere near the hate as he gets. I think people are holding him to a false standard. I fall into it as well, it took me until this year to figure out that he really doesn't belong in the same discussion as RV. He is simply the best of the rest. Not unlike KW or CR when RC was out there.
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Here is the stat that really matters. Since 2008, every time they've faced off outdoors they have finished 1 & 2 in the same order.

2013 450 MX Points:
1st place - RV: 563
2nd place - RD: -56

2011 450 MX Points:
1st place: RV: 526
2nd place: RD: -12

2008 250 MX Points:
1st Place: RV: 540
2nd Place: RD: -72

And only in 1 of those years was it even close. Granted, Dungey would've won had Freestone and Southwick gone his way, but they didn't. The only question remaining now is does Dungey want to beat RV this summer or not? I'm just telling you what I would be thinking right now if I was him. As a fan I'm so sick of RV beating him every time, I can't even imagine how much worse that feeling would be if I were in his shoes.
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4/28/2014 12:47pm
TriRacer27 wrote:
If you put in as much work as he does you would be disappointed too. I'm not saying they are bad results, just saying why bother...
If you put in as much work as he does you would be disappointed too.

I'm not saying they are bad results, just saying why bother going to Vegas if you can instead get a head start on your competition?
And you would know that how? You mentioned you were frustrated by his results, and not even on the bike.

There's one guy that knows how Ryan feel, and it's not you or I..

Ryan's a successful professional athlete who competes at the highest level with Villo, Stewart, Reed and a host of others. They've all got my respect, and hope they all stay healthy for the outdoors to give us a great show each weekend.
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4/28/2014 12:47pm
What happened the bar banging Dungy from earlier this year? Seemed to have a huge spike of confidence and it quickly fleeted, almost like a fighter existentially realizing how destructive he can be after knocking someone out.

Hope it comes back, was fun to watch.
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4/28/2014 1:18pm
I cant help but wonder if Dungey isnt bummed he isnt top dog in the KTM pits.... Kenny probably exceeded expectations and coming out winning A1 didnt help.....Dungey notched his when the other 3 guys were on the ground and he wasnt really battling for the win all year......Outdoors I think he will do better as he just has the keep charging mentality while others slow up....but, if James makes it to the gate and RV in fact there, plus Kenny, Barcia and Tomac - we may see similar results as MX...
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4/28/2014 1:34pm
RedRum666 wrote:
I cant help but wonder if Dungey isnt bummed he isnt top dog in the KTM pits.... Kenny probably exceeded expectations and coming out winning A1...
I cant help but wonder if Dungey isnt bummed he isnt top dog in the KTM pits.... Kenny probably exceeded expectations and coming out winning A1 didnt help.....Dungey notched his when the other 3 guys were on the ground and he wasnt really battling for the win all year......Outdoors I think he will do better as he just has the keep charging mentality while others slow up....but, if James makes it to the gate and RV in fact there, plus Kenny, Barcia and Tomac - we may see similar results as MX...
Not sure if this is a fishing comment but I don't believe he is anything but the top dog in the KTM trailer. . . Who has done better this season according to the points standings? And who is definitively on KTM next year? I think KTM knows who their priority is.

My opinion is that Dungey needs to get on a different bike. He did much better on the Suzuki and he has changed several things in his program except the bike. I'd like to see how he does on a different brand.
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4/28/2014 1:45pm
Yea I hate to blame bikes n shit but I just can't get behind that KTM. He was all up RV's ass on that zook. who knows tho
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Ryan Dungey Las Vegas Results
2007 - 1st (E/W Shootout)
2008 - 1st (E/W Shootout)
2009 - 2nd to Pourcel (E/W Shootout)
2010 - 1st (450)
2011 - 2nd to Reed
2012 - 1st
2013 - 2nd


It's hard not to put him at the top at Vegas.
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I don't think the results would be much different on a Suzuki. In 2011 on a Suzuki he only won one race like this year.

He was great outdoors in 2012. Sure no RV, but he was winning motos by huge margins. Stewart was riding real well the first two rounds and RD was right on him 3 out of the 4 motos. Putting him on a Suzuki is not going to make him a better passer. That is for sure his weakness. Guys like RV, JS, KR, and JB look to make passes early on in the race. I often see Dungey getting passed early in the race. Several times by guys he is surely better than and will eventually get them back. But by the time he gets around them, the leaders are out of sight.
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4/28/2014 1:54pm
yea true that about the passing. my wife knows jackshit about riding but watching the races she even comments on how he won't go around people lol
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Feldspar wrote:
I don't think the results would be much different on a Suzuki. In 2011 on a Suzuki he only won one race like this year. He...
I don't think the results would be much different on a Suzuki. In 2011 on a Suzuki he only won one race like this year.

He was great outdoors in 2012. Sure no RV, but he was winning motos by huge margins. Stewart was riding real well the first two rounds and RD was right on him 3 out of the 4 motos. Putting him on a Suzuki is not going to make him a better passer. That is for sure his weakness. Guys like RV, JS, KR, and JB look to make passes early on in the race. I often see Dungey getting passed early in the race. Several times by guys he is surely better than and will eventually get them back. But by the time he gets around them, the leaders are out of sight.
Yes, he was winning by huge margins. Plus he wasn't even pushing his hardest. He said that several times and if he pushed harder, the KTM wouldn't make it. I'm pretty sure they said that in "Behind the Machine". If not, then correct me.
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4/28/2014 2:23pm
Bigjimmyd wrote:
Two words....... Aldon Baker
With RV exiting sooner than later, I wonder what the possibilities with that are. . . Could be interesting. I don't think Baker is what is missing from Dungey's program but it would be cool to see how it worked in the end.
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4/28/2014 2:28pm
hartebreak wrote:
If poto does indeed race the entire outdoors, it doesn't matter what Dungey does. He will still play 2nd or 3rd fiddle.
Umm RV needed RD to get a DNF at Freestone while he was 20 seconds+ in the lead. Then for good measure his bike effed him over in Southwick. I will say all day that RV is the fastest but the 2011 MX championship was handed to him on a silver platter.
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As bad as some think he's doing, even after all the smoke clears, 2014 season ending results will most likely have him in 2nd place in championship. Yea, I know, Stewart was faster all year, but again, you gotta be in it to win it. Still, other than RV, all faster players are still behind him in points, and that with him getting a dnf. Go figure.
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4/28/2014 3:15pm
RD is going to have to ride A LOT better than he has all year to win in Vegas, in my opinion.

RV is an obvious heavy favorite. hell, Roczen and Barcia have to be licking their lips at the thought of a last chance to win this season. RD seemed like he was over it last weekend. passed and gapped by Barcia and Roczen and then a weird crash... just seemed off to me.
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4/28/2014 3:18pm
hartebreak wrote:
If poto does indeed race the entire outdoors, it doesn't matter what Dungey does. He will still play 2nd or 3rd fiddle.
Park Boys wrote:
Umm RV needed RD to get a DNF at Freestone while he was 20 seconds+ in the lead. Then for good measure his bike effed him...
Umm RV needed RD to get a DNF at Freestone while he was 20 seconds+ in the lead. Then for good measure his bike effed him over in Southwick. I will say all day that RV is the fastest but the 2011 MX championship was handed to him on a silver platter.
Yep, the Suzuki let him down quite a few times.
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4/28/2014 3:27pm Edited Date/Time 4/28/2014 3:39pm
They did have a great battle 2011 outdoors. You can't say that he wasn't competitive with rv that outdoor season. A change like yellow again may do dungy "some" good. I hope dungy can step it up a bit outside here in 14. We may have some good racing to watch we will just have to wait and see how things work out with the new blood, js7, dungy, reed, rv2 etc. Bring it on, I'm ready to watch some outdoors.
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Obviously it's personal opinion, but it looks like Dungey has lost that "edge" the past few years. When he was on Suzuki he looked so comfortable and aggressive, then went to KTM and as the years have continued he's looked less comfortable each season. Just my opinion, what do you think?






Or it's just the photos I chose, but results stand for themselves! Anyone who remembers how Dungey rode at Anaheim 1 2010 knows that it's not the same Ryan Dungey we've been seeing this season.
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4/28/2014 9:23pm
hartebreak wrote:
If poto does indeed race the entire outdoors, it doesn't matter what Dungey does. He will still play 2nd or 3rd fiddle.
Park Boys wrote:
Umm RV needed RD to get a DNF at Freestone while he was 20 seconds+ in the lead. Then for good measure his bike effed him...
Umm RV needed RD to get a DNF at Freestone while he was 20 seconds+ in the lead. Then for good measure his bike effed him over in Southwick. I will say all day that RV is the fastest but the 2011 MX championship was handed to him on a silver platter.
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4/28/2014 9:29pm
Well, the answer is "yes" Dungey can win in Vegas, but everyone knows he won't.
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4/28/2014 9:35pm
Hey - does anyone have the pic of Dungey when he came flying out of the pits when his bike was late to the gate?
4/28/2014 10:46pm
Or it's just the photos I chose, but results stand for themselves! Anyone who remembers how Dungey rode at Anaheim 1 2010 knows that it's not the same Ryan Dungey we've been seeing this season.

Bro, about what are you talking? Ry guy was awesome at A1, but the J-man still ran him down and clocked a lap 9/10ths faster than his. Dungey looked great on the Suzuki -- just about everyone does -- but you guys are only fooling yourselves with some of this talk.

The 2011 MX title should've been Dungey's, no Qs, but even if he had won the moto scores would still say he was getting butt-kicked pretty regularly. RV was clearly in bad health through the first half of the series, and Reed through the second, but they both had more moto wins than Ryan at year's end. My friends, the fax is the fax.

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