Do the "Euros" deserve Kudos?

Katoom72 wrote: But Europe is a country and herlings is from Europe....

kev472 wrote: Yawn boring
And not Herlings hometrack, since Herlings lives in Holland ,not Belgium

kongols wrote: One guy that doesn`t get mentioned at all is Tanel Leok. He was second in first moto and 4th in third and was second best MX3 rider of the event.

kongols wrote: One guy that doesn`t get mentioned at all is Tanel Leok. He was second in first moto and 4th in third and was second best MX3 rider of the event.

kev472 wrote: Yawn boring
And not Herlings hometrack, since Herlings lives in Holland ,not Belgium

brappster wrote: The point was that Herlings, Caroli, have raced and practiced that track a lot. The Americans never rode it until now. That is home Europe track advantage. Herlings has no magic, he learned his sand skills from riding sand tracks like Lommel, that is why he is fast especially on that track.

kev472 wrote: Yawn boring
And not Herlings hometrack, since Herlings lives in Holland ,not Belgium

brappster wrote: The point was that Herlings, Caroli, have raced and practiced that track a lot. The Americans never rode it until now. That is home Europe track advantage. Herlings has no magic, he learned his sand skills from riding sand tracks like Lommel, that is why he is fast especially on that track.

kev472 wrote: Really i've heard countless times that there's nothing special about lommel
That you've got sandpits like Southwick, that US riders would have no problem
Florida has plenty of sand tracks and so on.....

Now all of a sudden it's not fair
Really dude?

Mx_Pain wrote: Germany and Belgium beat US, Thats 2 out of 50 independent countries in Europe

kev472 wrote: Yawn boring
And not Herlings hometrack, since Herlings lives in Holland ,not Belgium

brappster wrote: The point was that Herlings, Caroli, have raced and practiced that track a lot. The Americans never rode it until now. That is home Europe track advantage. Herlings has no magic, he learned his sand skills from riding sand tracks like Lommel, that is why he is fast especially on that track.

kev472 wrote: Really i've heard countless times that there's nothing special about lommel
That you've got sandpits like Southwick, that US riders would have no problem
Florida has plenty of sand tracks and so on.....

Now all of a sudden it's not fair
Really dude?

brappster wrote: The point was that Herlings, Caroli, have raced and practiced that track a lot. The Americans never rode it until now. That is home Europe track advantage. Herlings has no magic, he learned his sand skills from riding sand tracks like Lommel, that is why he is fast especially on that track.

kev472 wrote: Really i've heard countless times that there's nothing special about lommel
That you've got sandpits like Southwick, that US riders would have no problem
Florida has plenty of sand tracks and so on.....

Now all of a sudden it's not fair
Really dude?

Glory wrote: Yeah, and didn't Dungey say he grow up on a track similar to Lommel?

brappster wrote: I think he was surprised as many Americans were how different Lommel was. It was obviously very different.

It was easy for the Americans to underestimate the track since the Americans win year after year with no challenge from the Euros. This year was different. Kudos to the Germans, but I don't think the Americans will underestimate them again. But again there was also some bad luck so that also had a big influence on American not winning this year.

brappster wrote: Absolutely,

The Euros beat the US, which they have not been able to do the last 7 times. Does it mean much? Like the Euros are faster? No because of a couple reasons.

First Americans had a bad hair day. If Barcia would not have hit another riders and lost spokes, (self inflected) or Barcia would not have distracted Dungey and him went off track (again team inflicted) things would have been different. But it didn't work out that way and Team America got third

Second, home track advantage. This was especially hard for the Americans since they had never ridden this type of track. Herlings had this as home track and he learned the track and gained a skill for sand, which seems to help him on other sand tracks as well.

What did Roczen say about this?..

At least this time team usa, saw that when u go away from home, its not alwaYs easy. condoitions are brutal for u and normal for us.
for me there were a few other things when i went over there. so that answer’s a lot of peoples thoughts/questions.
— Ken Roczen (@KenRoczen94) oktober 1, 2012

Well first, it wasn't brutal, the Americans had some bad luck. Barcia was pressing pretty hard and done pretty well.

The second statement seems like an excuse as to why Roczen did not do well over here. But the Americans won 7 years straight and many years before that even though most of those races were on Euro soil and the Euros had track advantage.

I think it unrealistic for us to expect the Americans to win every race, In this instance we see how home track advantage combined with a bad day can bring us down to 3rd place. Pretty impressive , Kudos to the Americans as well even with bad luck and a track disadvantage they were still on the podium.

brappster wrote: The point was that Herlings, Caroli, have raced and practiced that track a lot. The Americans never rode it until now. That is home Europe track advantage. Herlings has no magic, he learned his sand skills from riding sand tracks like Lommel, that is why he is fast especially on that track.

brappster wrote: Absolutely,

The Euros beat the US, which they have not been able to do the last 7 times. Does it mean much? Like the Euros are faster? No because of a couple reasons.

First Americans had a bad hair day. If Barcia would not have hit another riders and lost spokes, (self inflected) or Barcia would not have distracted Dungey and him went off track (again team inflicted) things would have been different. But it didn't work out that way and Team America got third

Second, home track advantage. This was especially hard for the Americans since they had never ridden this type of track. Herlings had this as home track and he learned the track and gained a skill for sand, which seems to help him on other sand tracks as well.

What did Roczen say about this?..

At least this time team usa, saw that when u go away from home, its not alwaYs easy. condoitions are brutal for u and normal for us.
for me there were a few other things when i went over there. so that answer’s a lot of peoples thoughts/questions.
— Ken Roczen (@KenRoczen94) oktober 1, 2012

Well first, it wasn't brutal, the Americans had some bad luck. Barcia was pressing pretty hard and done pretty well.

The second statement seems like an excuse as to why Roczen did not do well over here. But the Americans won 7 years straight and many years before that even though most of those races were on Euro soil and the Euros had track advantage.

I think it unrealistic for us to expect the Americans to win every race, In this instance we see how home track advantage combined with a bad day can bring us down to 3rd place. Pretty impressive , Kudos to the Americans as well even with bad luck and a track disadvantage they were still on the podium.

brappster wrote: The point was that Herlings, Caroli, have raced and practiced that track a lot. The Americans never rode it until now. That is home Europe track advantage. Herlings has no magic, he learned his sand skills from riding sand tracks like Lommel, that is why he is fast especially on that track.

Dano.1985 wrote: iam sorry i was not going to join this site but often read it, but i felt after reading this i had to reply. in the lead up to this event on this site and many others most American fans told us gp fans that the track does not matter and you Americans were going to come over and woop our ass, now all of a sudden you Americans have not seen a track like this, iam sorry you cant have it both ways, i watched a verb moto vid in the lead up to the weekend were dungey said" i used to ride a deep sand track back home" was he telling lies?. this is why so many euros have come on here and gave you guys crap cause most of you Americans cant wait to stick the boot in to our riders, i have read on other American sites before the mxdn that our riders are second rate, all most of us euro fans want is a little respect for our riders and it seems that alot of you guys are now giving us that after this weekend. but silly things said like cairoli's 350 is a 400 or was it bike set up and so on will only lead to more crap from euro fans. this past weekend was a great event where i think every rider went out gave there best, i actually gained alot of respect for the comments that dungey, baggett and barcia came out with after the race, thoses guys did you and themselves proud but were beaten fair and square it is as simple as that.

TripleFive wrote: Congratulations Europe for winning the Olympics of motocross for the 11th time in 31 years.

TripleFive wrote: Congratulations Europe for winning the Olympics of motocross for the 11th time in 31 years.

brappster wrote: The point was that Herlings, Caroli, have raced and practiced that track a lot. The Americans never rode it until now. That is home Europe track advantage. Herlings has no magic, he learned his sand skills from riding sand tracks like Lommel, that is why he is fast especially on that track.

Dano.1985 wrote: iam sorry i was not going to join this site but often read it, but i felt after reading this i had to reply. in the lead up to this event on this site and many others most American fans told us gp fans that the track does not matter and you Americans were going to come over and woop our ass, now all of a sudden you Americans have not seen a track like this, iam sorry you cant have it both ways, i watched a verb moto vid in the lead up to the weekend were dungey said" i used to ride a deep sand track back home" was he telling lies?. this is why so many euros have come on here and gave you guys crap cause most of you Americans cant wait to stick the boot in to our riders, i have read on other American sites before the mxdn that our riders are second rate, all most of us euro fans want is a little respect for our riders and it seems that alot of you guys are now giving us that after this weekend. but silly things said like cairoli's 350 is a 400 or was it bike set up and so on will only lead to more crap from euro fans. this past weekend was a great event where i think every rider went out gave there best, i actually gained alot of respect for the comments that dungey, baggett and barcia came out with after the race, thoses guys did you and themselves proud but were beaten fair and square it is as simple as that.

TripleFive wrote: Maybe Europe should send a WOLRD CHAMPION over to the states and try to compete in a series to put this to bed.