Do it or lose fade into oblivion riders for 2010

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Edited Date/Time 1/24/2012 9:56pm
Millsaps
Shorty
Hill
Tedesco (already demoted)
Alessi (MX only do or die)

I don't dislike these riders just think it is last chance time or be replaced by an up and comer.

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grover738
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Shorty? Huh? How many good riders do you think there are?

2005 (250s) - 3rd in West SX, 2nd in MX
2006 (250s) - 2nd in West SX, 4th in MX
2007 (450s) - 16th (injured) in SX, 3rd in MX
2008 (450s) - 3rd in SX, 3rd in MX
2009 (450s) - 3rd in SX, 2nd in MX

If I ran a team, I'd love to have him - who else can claim eight top 3's in the last 5 years? Nobody. Nobody else even has 7, look it up.

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12/29/2009 7:17pm
I'll play...

Hepler...hope he makes it, but with all the concussions/injuries?
Hansen...there's always X-games
Evans...if he tries SX again?

Probably a lot more??????

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12/29/2009 7:21pm
Short will always be there with consistency. Hard worker.
Milsaps will do what he must. Great kid.
Hill is performance based and should do well. Great kid.
Tedesco (demoted) not even. He will surprise more than a few.

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grover738 wrote:
Shorty? Huh? How many good riders do you think there are? 2005 (250s) - 3rd in West SX, 2nd in MX 2006 (250s) - 2nd in...
Shorty? Huh? How many good riders do you think there are?

2005 (250s) - 3rd in West SX, 2nd in MX
2006 (250s) - 2nd in West SX, 4th in MX
2007 (450s) - 16th (injured) in SX, 3rd in MX
2008 (450s) - 3rd in SX, 3rd in MX
2009 (450s) - 3rd in SX, 2nd in MX

If I ran a team, I'd love to have him - who else can claim eight top 3's in the last 5 years? Nobody. Nobody else even has 7, look it up.

All true, and this thread exposes Shorty's problem...underexposure.
He has such a low profile, no one knows he's there. No big ads, no big exposure, no covers.
Not sure if that is by design or his representation, but when a guy with his credentials is consistently overlooked and/or forgotten, it says something.

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12/30/2009 7:32am
grover738 wrote:
Shorty? Huh? How many good riders do you think there are? 2005 (250s) - 3rd in West SX, 2nd in MX 2006 (250s) - 2nd in...
Shorty? Huh? How many good riders do you think there are?

2005 (250s) - 3rd in West SX, 2nd in MX
2006 (250s) - 2nd in West SX, 4th in MX
2007 (450s) - 16th (injured) in SX, 3rd in MX
2008 (450s) - 3rd in SX, 3rd in MX
2009 (450s) - 3rd in SX, 2nd in MX

If I ran a team, I'd love to have him - who else can claim eight top 3's in the last 5 years? Nobody. Nobody else even has 7, look it up.

flarider wrote:
All true, and this thread exposes Shorty's problem...underexposure. He has such a low profile, no one knows he's there. No big ads, no big exposure, no...
All true, and this thread exposes Shorty's problem...underexposure.
He has such a low profile, no one knows he's there. No big ads, no big exposure, no covers.
Not sure if that is by design or his representation, but when a guy with his credentials is consistently overlooked and/or forgotten, it says something.
I like Short and he has consistent results, but, would you have him on a factory team as your number 1 guy?
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Number 1 guy? You could do worse, and many teams have. Number 2 guy? Hell yes.

The original thread was about replacing these guys with an up and comer - any up and comers that you can count on to get a top 3, like Short?

I agree that he could get more exposure, but what is he supposed to do? Get in a fight? Get arrested? Ride dirty? Tattoos?
12/30/2009 7:56am
It kind of blew my mind last year to hear the Honda riders saying they couldn't get their bikes set up correctly.
This is Factory Honda. When you have unlimited testing resources, a squad of mechanics and technicians, and all the time in the world to get it right--- I think you should be able to get your bike set up for the whoops or whatever.
That must really chap some privateers' butts to hear the Factory Honda guys say the bikes aren't quite up to snuff.
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grover738 wrote:
Number 1 guy? You could do worse, and many teams have. Number 2 guy? Hell yes. The original thread was about replacing these guys with an...
Number 1 guy? You could do worse, and many teams have. Number 2 guy? Hell yes.

The original thread was about replacing these guys with an up and comer - any up and comers that you can count on to get a top 3, like Short?

I agree that he could get more exposure, but what is he supposed to do? Get in a fight? Get arrested? Ride dirty? Tattoos?
Who's his agent?
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12/30/2009 9:56am
grover738 wrote:
Shorty? Huh? How many good riders do you think there are? 2005 (250s) - 3rd in West SX, 2nd in MX 2006 (250s) - 2nd in...
Shorty? Huh? How many good riders do you think there are?

2005 (250s) - 3rd in West SX, 2nd in MX
2006 (250s) - 2nd in West SX, 4th in MX
2007 (450s) - 16th (injured) in SX, 3rd in MX
2008 (450s) - 3rd in SX, 3rd in MX
2009 (450s) - 3rd in SX, 2nd in MX

If I ran a team, I'd love to have him - who else can claim eight top 3's in the last 5 years? Nobody. Nobody else even has 7, look it up.

flarider wrote:
All true, and this thread exposes Shorty's problem...underexposure. He has such a low profile, no one knows he's there. No big ads, no big exposure, no...
All true, and this thread exposes Shorty's problem...underexposure.
He has such a low profile, no one knows he's there. No big ads, no big exposure, no covers.
Not sure if that is by design or his representation, but when a guy with his credentials is consistently overlooked and/or forgotten, it says something.
He is the poster child for FLY...
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Millsaps Shorty Hill Tedesco (already demoted) Alessi (MX only do or die) I don't dislike these riders just think it is last chance time or be...
Millsaps
Shorty
Hill
Tedesco (already demoted)
Alessi (MX only do or die)

I don't dislike these riders just think it is last chance time or be replaced by an up and comer.

if you aren't one of the 4 or 5 racers that are always talked about you are already in oblivion....so i guess there are many more than you pointed out.
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12/30/2009 10:51am
Short does seem to get the short end of the stick.
Short seems to draw the short straw for advertising. Whistling
12/30/2009 11:17am
grover738 wrote:
Shorty? Huh? How many good riders do you think there are? 2005 (250s) - 3rd in West SX, 2nd in MX 2006 (250s) - 2nd in...
Shorty? Huh? How many good riders do you think there are?

2005 (250s) - 3rd in West SX, 2nd in MX
2006 (250s) - 2nd in West SX, 4th in MX
2007 (450s) - 16th (injured) in SX, 3rd in MX
2008 (450s) - 3rd in SX, 3rd in MX
2009 (450s) - 3rd in SX, 2nd in MX

If I ran a team, I'd love to have him - who else can claim eight top 3's in the last 5 years? Nobody. Nobody else even has 7, look it up.

flarider wrote:
All true, and this thread exposes Shorty's problem...underexposure. He has such a low profile, no one knows he's there. No big ads, no big exposure, no...
All true, and this thread exposes Shorty's problem...underexposure.
He has such a low profile, no one knows he's there. No big ads, no big exposure, no covers.
Not sure if that is by design or his representation, but when a guy with his credentials is consistently overlooked and/or forgotten, it says something.
Whats funny is even the marketing department at Honda has forgoten Short still works there. Even they don't use him in ads.
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12/30/2009 11:24am
grover738 wrote:
Shorty? Huh? How many good riders do you think there are? 2005 (250s) - 3rd in West SX, 2nd in MX 2006 (250s) - 2nd in...
Shorty? Huh? How many good riders do you think there are?

2005 (250s) - 3rd in West SX, 2nd in MX
2006 (250s) - 2nd in West SX, 4th in MX
2007 (450s) - 16th (injured) in SX, 3rd in MX
2008 (450s) - 3rd in SX, 3rd in MX
2009 (450s) - 3rd in SX, 2nd in MX

If I ran a team, I'd love to have him - who else can claim eight top 3's in the last 5 years? Nobody. Nobody else even has 7, look it up.

flarider wrote:
All true, and this thread exposes Shorty's problem...underexposure. He has such a low profile, no one knows he's there. No big ads, no big exposure, no...
All true, and this thread exposes Shorty's problem...underexposure.
He has such a low profile, no one knows he's there. No big ads, no big exposure, no covers.
Not sure if that is by design or his representation, but when a guy with his credentials is consistently overlooked and/or forgotten, it says something.
Maybe i should train Short to....what do you think Dave?
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12/30/2009 11:29am
grover738 wrote:
Shorty? Huh? How many good riders do you think there are? 2005 (250s) - 3rd in West SX, 2nd in MX 2006 (250s) - 2nd in...
Shorty? Huh? How many good riders do you think there are?

2005 (250s) - 3rd in West SX, 2nd in MX
2006 (250s) - 2nd in West SX, 4th in MX
2007 (450s) - 16th (injured) in SX, 3rd in MX
2008 (450s) - 3rd in SX, 3rd in MX
2009 (450s) - 3rd in SX, 2nd in MX

If I ran a team, I'd love to have him - who else can claim eight top 3's in the last 5 years? Nobody. Nobody else even has 7, look it up.

flarider wrote:
All true, and this thread exposes Shorty's problem...underexposure. He has such a low profile, no one knows he's there. No big ads, no big exposure, no...
All true, and this thread exposes Shorty's problem...underexposure.
He has such a low profile, no one knows he's there. No big ads, no big exposure, no covers.
Not sure if that is by design or his representation, but when a guy with his credentials is consistently overlooked and/or forgotten, it says something.
jeffro503 wrote:
Maybe i should train Short to....what do you think Dave?
I thought you already did?
and was also his manager?

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12/30/2009 11:33am
grover738 wrote:
Shorty? Huh? How many good riders do you think there are? 2005 (250s) - 3rd in West SX, 2nd in MX 2006 (250s) - 2nd in...
Shorty? Huh? How many good riders do you think there are?

2005 (250s) - 3rd in West SX, 2nd in MX
2006 (250s) - 2nd in West SX, 4th in MX
2007 (450s) - 16th (injured) in SX, 3rd in MX
2008 (450s) - 3rd in SX, 3rd in MX
2009 (450s) - 3rd in SX, 2nd in MX

If I ran a team, I'd love to have him - who else can claim eight top 3's in the last 5 years? Nobody. Nobody else even has 7, look it up.

flarider wrote:
All true, and this thread exposes Shorty's problem...underexposure. He has such a low profile, no one knows he's there. No big ads, no big exposure, no...
All true, and this thread exposes Shorty's problem...underexposure.
He has such a low profile, no one knows he's there. No big ads, no big exposure, no covers.
Not sure if that is by design or his representation, but when a guy with his credentials is consistently overlooked and/or forgotten, it says something.
Exposure come with wins in this sport.

I hate to say it but it is true. Whether it is the size or culture I don't know, but he needs to win a few races to increase his exposure.
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12/30/2009 11:47am
grover738 wrote:
Shorty? Huh? How many good riders do you think there are? 2005 (250s) - 3rd in West SX, 2nd in MX 2006 (250s) - 2nd in...
Shorty? Huh? How many good riders do you think there are?

2005 (250s) - 3rd in West SX, 2nd in MX
2006 (250s) - 2nd in West SX, 4th in MX
2007 (450s) - 16th (injured) in SX, 3rd in MX
2008 (450s) - 3rd in SX, 3rd in MX
2009 (450s) - 3rd in SX, 2nd in MX

If I ran a team, I'd love to have him - who else can claim eight top 3's in the last 5 years? Nobody. Nobody else even has 7, look it up.

flarider wrote:
All true, and this thread exposes Shorty's problem...underexposure. He has such a low profile, no one knows he's there. No big ads, no big exposure, no...
All true, and this thread exposes Shorty's problem...underexposure.
He has such a low profile, no one knows he's there. No big ads, no big exposure, no covers.
Not sure if that is by design or his representation, but when a guy with his credentials is consistently overlooked and/or forgotten, it says something.
Huckster wrote:
He is the poster child for FLY...
Short could be so much more for them though. He's one of the top guys int he sport. Fly makes pretty good stuff, but you never see them put together any type of eye-catching ad or do anything creative at all really. They definitely aren't maximizing their investment with him.
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12/30/2009 11:55am
grover738 wrote:
Shorty? Huh? How many good riders do you think there are? 2005 (250s) - 3rd in West SX, 2nd in MX 2006 (250s) - 2nd in...
Shorty? Huh? How many good riders do you think there are?

2005 (250s) - 3rd in West SX, 2nd in MX
2006 (250s) - 2nd in West SX, 4th in MX
2007 (450s) - 16th (injured) in SX, 3rd in MX
2008 (450s) - 3rd in SX, 3rd in MX
2009 (450s) - 3rd in SX, 2nd in MX

If I ran a team, I'd love to have him - who else can claim eight top 3's in the last 5 years? Nobody. Nobody else even has 7, look it up.

flarider wrote:
All true, and this thread exposes Shorty's problem...underexposure. He has such a low profile, no one knows he's there. No big ads, no big exposure, no...
All true, and this thread exposes Shorty's problem...underexposure.
He has such a low profile, no one knows he's there. No big ads, no big exposure, no covers.
Not sure if that is by design or his representation, but when a guy with his credentials is consistently overlooked and/or forgotten, it says something.
tcannon521 wrote:
Exposure come with wins in this sport. I hate to say it but it is true. Whether it is the size or culture I don't know...
Exposure come with wins in this sport.

I hate to say it but it is true. Whether it is the size or culture I don't know, but he needs to win a few races to increase his exposure.
Nailed it, in this sport, podiums dont get you noticed, wins do. Short is way more consistent then, Hill, Grant, and Millsaps, but they get more exposure because they have done something that he has not.
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12/30/2009 12:11pm
grover738 wrote:
Shorty? Huh? How many good riders do you think there are? 2005 (250s) - 3rd in West SX, 2nd in MX 2006 (250s) - 2nd in...
Shorty? Huh? How many good riders do you think there are?

2005 (250s) - 3rd in West SX, 2nd in MX
2006 (250s) - 2nd in West SX, 4th in MX
2007 (450s) - 16th (injured) in SX, 3rd in MX
2008 (450s) - 3rd in SX, 3rd in MX
2009 (450s) - 3rd in SX, 2nd in MX

If I ran a team, I'd love to have him - who else can claim eight top 3's in the last 5 years? Nobody. Nobody else even has 7, look it up.

flarider wrote:
All true, and this thread exposes Shorty's problem...underexposure. He has such a low profile, no one knows he's there. No big ads, no big exposure, no...
All true, and this thread exposes Shorty's problem...underexposure.
He has such a low profile, no one knows he's there. No big ads, no big exposure, no covers.
Not sure if that is by design or his representation, but when a guy with his credentials is consistently overlooked and/or forgotten, it says something.
tcannon521 wrote:
Exposure come with wins in this sport. I hate to say it but it is true. Whether it is the size or culture I don't know...
Exposure come with wins in this sport.

I hate to say it but it is true. Whether it is the size or culture I don't know, but he needs to win a few races to increase his exposure.
tyler evans never won anything and everyone knew him!
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flarider wrote:
All true, and this thread exposes Shorty's problem...underexposure. He has such a low profile, no one knows he's there. No big ads, no big exposure, no...
All true, and this thread exposes Shorty's problem...underexposure.
He has such a low profile, no one knows he's there. No big ads, no big exposure, no covers.
Not sure if that is by design or his representation, but when a guy with his credentials is consistently overlooked and/or forgotten, it says something.
tcannon521 wrote:
Exposure come with wins in this sport. I hate to say it but it is true. Whether it is the size or culture I don't know...
Exposure come with wins in this sport.

I hate to say it but it is true. Whether it is the size or culture I don't know, but he needs to win a few races to increase his exposure.
KAWboy14 wrote:
tyler evans never won anything and everyone knew him!
same with jahwah the hut, yer leader....dumb.
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When you've got 1 or 2 dominant riders for as long as we have it makes everyone who's been around for a couple years look like they're on the bubble.
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I don't think there is any problem with a Wey, Hill and Shorty racing. They should be out there and scraping but the question is, do they deserve high-dollar contracts. Back in the 80s, some guys that were making SX main events were riding out of pick up trucks and getting sponsored by local shops. Anyone remember Chris Young, he rode both classes, 125 and 250 and often make both main events.

I think top 20 rides need to be at every SX and the better they ride - the more money they make. If a top rider could make 100k more for finishing in the top five every race or not make the 100k for finishing 15-20 - we might have better racing.

Maybe tangling the carrot in front of a pair of goggles is a good idea
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12/30/2009 6:52pm
my last chance riders...

1) Jason Lawrence
2) Jeff Alessi
3) Metcalfe
4) Hanson
5) Hepler
6) Sean Hamblin
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12/30/2009 8:48pm
KAWboy14 wrote:
tyler evans never won anything and everyone knew him!
Duh, he's a movie star!!!!!

12/31/2009 1:53am
Short is a great rider, but he's been on factory equipment for the last 6 years and has won nothing, and that's what factory riders are expected to do, win.

even in 2008 when Stewart was out, Windham stepped up and won races, while Short failed to do that.

I'm a fan of Short, because everyone knows he works hard and is honest in his interviews, but if his contract ended this year, He should have been out and they should have kept IT9


Same thing with Millsaps, great rider, but won 1 race (a nice accomplishment, that every rider dreams of) but can't back it up with the consistency Short has.

Every rider that makes an SX main is nothing short of amazing, but from factory riders, you expect them to go for the win.
Not for podium or top 5.
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12/31/2009 3:53am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 7:42pm
brakkeman_ wrote:
Short is a great rider, but he's been on factory equipment for the last 6 years and has won nothing, and that's what factory riders are...
Short is a great rider, but he's been on factory equipment for the last 6 years and has won nothing, and that's what factory riders are expected to do, win.

even in 2008 when Stewart was out, Windham stepped up and won races, while Short failed to do that.

I'm a fan of Short, because everyone knows he works hard and is honest in his interviews, but if his contract ended this year, He should have been out and they should have kept IT9


Same thing with Millsaps, great rider, but won 1 race (a nice accomplishment, that every rider dreams of) but can't back it up with the consistency Short has.

Every rider that makes an SX main is nothing short of amazing, but from factory riders, you expect them to go for the win.
Not for podium or top 5.
Why would they keep IT over Davi based on your reasoning?


Hasn't DM won more than once?
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He performed better cuz he got 1 overall ?, yeah thats right, but Short was ahead of him in the overall...

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