Dirtbike and Crossfit

yeah, i'm a cross-fitter myself. love it for moto. really helps me with my sprinting ability on the bike.

also, there's some bad ass bitches that cross-fit. seriously, you should see the hose hounds that show up to our class every morning

Crossfit will mess you up. The dude in the video put his boots on before his pants.

No seriously, I looked up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrossFit and learned a new word: Rhabdomyolysis.

crossfit and it's philosophy has no place in any sport let alone professional sports. Please don't start in on the crossfit 'TYPE" exercise BS because there is no such thing. crossfit bastardizes tried and true lifts. You don't have to listen to me, but I would like to point out this observation. Of all the medals handed out at the past Olympics none where won by athletes training with crossfit. Of all the guys who made the podium last year in SX none trained with crossfit. Even the winners of the crossfit games don't train 100% crossfit.

I personally see crossfit as a "cult". They often over train their lifters and enforce their "proper workout procedures" on you. i have many friends who crossfit and since joining, have become crossfit nazi's. All they talk about is lifting weights and going to crossfit. for $120+ a month id hope to see fast results and lots of one on one training with special workouts. Anyone can do crossfit for free as they put their workouts online each day. Seems like everyone just wants to be able to say "I go to crossfit"

EddieC wrote: crossfit and it's philosophy has no place in any sport let alone professional sports. Please don't start in on the crossfit 'TYPE" exercise BS because there is no such thing. crossfit bastardizes tried and true lifts. You don't have to listen to me, but I would like to point out this observation. Of all the medals handed out at the past Olympics none where won by athletes training with crossfit. Of all the guys who made the podium last year in SX none trained with crossfit. Even the winners of the crossfit games don't train 100% crossfit.

Good to hear an expert's opinion. Crossfit never seemed like a good program for motocross guys.

I hope you're not into kettlebells, either. Motocross tears you up enough- I don't see the benefit of straining your back and shoulders even more by swinging those kettlebells.

Go to an experienced Olympic lifting coach. Learn how to clean and snatch properly. Learn how to squat properly-full squat as in hams to calves or ass to grass. Ask Jeff Ward and company (via Jeff Spencer). Fit in some interval training and fatigue will not be an issue, nor will throwing a big ass 450 around for a few motos.

Greg DiRenzo forwarded me this link some time ago and I all I can say is that I couldn't have said it any better minus the F-bombs.

[url=http://gawker.com/5928989/the-problems-with-crossfit]

Kettlebells, lat pulls, running, cycling, cleans, dead lifts are all beneficial to an athlete when administered by a knowledgeable, properly educated professional.

I have seen to many riders get sucked into worthless crap training programs by so called trainers that are nothing more than smooth talking crooks.

The line that I always find amusing is "We mix it up every time so as not to get bored". At the highest level of sport you have a very small training window, compared to other sports, in which to make even smaller gains.
When wins and losses are measured in 10th's of a second. Do you think the top guys are going the the track and saying hey let's mix it up today and do tricks over every jump today while still working on speed?

I am not one to make guarantees, but I will say this, you will never hear an AMA SX or MX champion state they did crossfit training to get in shape. I am talking going to a crossfit gym drinking the kool aid and doing the "moto" program for the entire season.

What works for me may not work for you, and what works for you may not work for me.

If I feel better doing something and I see a benefit when I ride I will keep doing it.

Road bike, crossfit, boxing and jiu jitsu are my main ways to train. I dont mind doing other things I just do what works for me.

EddieC wrote: Greg DiRenzo forwarded me this link some time ago and I all I can say is that I couldn't have said it any better minus the F-bombs.

[url=http://gawker.com/5928989/the-problems-with-crossfit]

Kettlebells, lat pulls, running, cycling, cleans, dead lifts are all beneficial to an athlete when administered by a knowledgeable, properly educated professional.

I have seen to many riders get sucked into worthless crap training programs by so called trainers that are nothing more than smooth talking crooks.

The line that I always find amusing is "We mix it up every time so as not to get bored". At the highest level of sport you have a very small training window, compared to other sports, in which to make even smaller gains.
When wins and losses are measured in 10th's of a second. Do you think the top guys are going the the track and saying hey let's mix it up today and do tricks over every jump today while still working on speed?

I am not one to make guarantees, but I will say this, you will never hear an AMA SX or MX champion state they did crossfit training to get in shape. I am talking going to a crossfit gym drinking the kool aid and doing the "moto" program for the entire season.

awesome how many fitness professionals visit this site, never knew.

that said, i still enjoy crossfit. it's all in how you approach it and what you get out of it. and i'm definitely not the creepy guy that is WAY too into it. it keeps me in shape and pushes me to do things i wouldn't think i was able. i'm not Ryan Villopoto, so single skill training is useless for me.

my cousins own and run a very successful and VERY busy crossfit gym in st.george utah, tell them that their life/business is like kool-aid.

It can be good for general fitness. You just have to watch yourself with some of the workouts. Super high rep deads squats etc can leave you sore as fuck for days so don't do anything like that if you know your going riding the next day. And also I think its really funny fronning and the other top athletes all program and don't follow anything even close to the main site WOD. They workout dusk till dawn doing shit they make up lol. And they would have been good at any type of training they set their sites on. So don't think doing crossfit is gonna get you like those guys. They were bad asses before they got that crossfit label. Some of the top guys finished high in the games and had been what they call "crossfit" for only a year or two.
Actually here's a quote from Jim Wendler out of the 5-3-1 book i bought...

Things that suck about Crossfit
1. Programming – It’s no secret that the programming is awful. You can try to explain the rhyme/reason for the randomness but just be honest; when you have no end goal (competition, for example) other than being a good worker-outer it’s hard to program TODAY when you don’t where you want to be tomorrow. This is known as AttaBoy Training. Lots of motivational screaming and ass slaps. Myopic training (“Let’s just work really hard!”) is probably not a bad idea for the chubby masses but not ideal when you want to be great. Just because a trainer or a gym has good intentions to share their fitness enthusiasm does not mean he is a good coach or the gym is great. Good intentions when combined with ignorance and lack of experience are a recipe for bad form, limited results and injury.
2. Apprentice, never a Master – Crossfit claims that they want to be good at everything. Good luck with that one. The quest to be fit as a cross country runner, fast as a sprinter, strong as a powerlifter and built like Greek god is not only endless but pointless. The reality Is that you can work to be great at a few and those will carry over to being good at the others. If you are strong, lean and in good condition, things start falling into place. This is not a revolutionary idea. And maybe I’m in the minority with the mindset of wanting to be great at one thing, and not average at a bunch. Or at least as great as I can be.
Things I like about Crossfit
1. When Mark Rippetoe was brought on (he has since left) to teach the basic barbell lifts, the Gods of Iron smiled. Barbell training is a lost art in today’s fitness world; all one needs to do is peak their head into any commercial gym and see the piles of machines and cardio wheels that take up floor space.
2. Though often a negative when used as a cover up of SMART programming and training, the idea of hard work to achieve a goal has also been lost. Pills, elimination diets and infomercials all play to the “You don’t even have to change your lifestyle” to lose weight/get in shape. At least Crossfit makes you sweat. The good news is you can still work hard AND program correctly.

EddieC wrote: crossfit and it's philosophy has no place in any sport let alone professional sports. Please don't start in on the crossfit 'TYPE" exercise BS because there is no such thing. crossfit bastardizes tried and true lifts. You don't have to listen to me, but I would like to point out this observation. Of all the medals handed out at the past Olympics none where won by athletes training with crossfit. Of all the guys who made the podium last year in SX none trained with crossfit. Even the winners of the crossfit games don't train 100% crossfit.

Actually, have you ever looked into Ryan Lochte's training regimine? He may not call it "Crossfit" but he does essentially that. He does tire flips, cleans , snatches, box jumps, GHD, Slam Balls and with constantly varied movements.

Although I do crossfit 4 X's a week, I agree with a lot of the criticism out there. Many "coaches" should not be running boxes. We switched boxes (which if you understand the community aspect of it, was tough) as we felt our coach was not involved or paying close enough attention to form anymore. We switched to one where all the coaches have Olympic lifting, gymnastics and other certs. They are form Nazi's and are quick to correct or stop anyone without proper form. Even if its a simple air squat. Unfortunately there are too few of those types running crossfit boxes, thus the bad reputation. My daughter is a competitive swimmer and I can confidently say that Crossfit has made her a much better swimmer. She made Varsity and league finals as a freshman and with no prior competitive experience. Taught her how to push through when your body says no more. Increased flexibility, mobility and strength. But again, as I said, the proper coaches with the right qualifications is extremely important.

This video shows what is wrong with Crossfit. BattlezFMX did the right thing! Not everyone does. Trainers like the ones in this video actually have helped me build a pretty big (and loyal) client base. I don't do Crossfit, but I do teach HIIT sessions and Olympic lifting. The video was hard to watch.

http://youtu.be/BDDyxXyf6UU

moto543 wrote: This video shows what is wrong with Crossfit. BattlezFMX did the right thing! Not everyone does. Trainers like the ones in this video actually have helped me build a pretty big (and loyal) client base. I don't do Crossfit, but I do teach HIIT sessions and Olympic lifting. The video was hard to watch.

http://youtu.be/BDDyxXyf6UU

Wow, that was scary.
We lucked out at work, they hired "Core Performance" to run workouts. I guess they felt guilty about providing free junk food and drinks to get us to work longer :-)
Our local trainer is a sticker for correct form. He'll get on your case and make you drop the weight until you do the perfect movement. No more cheating with squats!

EddieC wrote: crossfit and it's philosophy has no place in any sport let alone professional sports. Please don't start in on the crossfit 'TYPE" exercise BS because there is no such thing. crossfit bastardizes tried and true lifts. You don't have to listen to me, but I would like to point out this observation. Of all the medals handed out at the past Olympics none where won by athletes training with crossfit. Of all the guys who made the podium last year in SX none trained with crossfit. Even the winners of the crossfit games don't train 100% crossfit.

BattlezFMX wrote: Actually, have you ever looked into Ryan Lochte's training regimine? He may not call it "Crossfit" but he does essentially that. He does tire flips, cleans , snatches, box jumps, GHD, Slam Balls and with constantly varied movements.

Although I do crossfit 4 X's a week, I agree with a lot of the criticism out there. Many "coaches" should not be running boxes. We switched boxes (which if you understand the community aspect of it, was tough) as we felt our coach was not involved or paying close enough attention to form anymore. We switched to one where all the coaches have Olympic lifting, gymnastics and other certs. They are form Nazi's and are quick to correct or stop anyone without proper form. Even if its a simple air squat. Unfortunately there are too few of those types running crossfit boxes, thus the bad reputation. My daughter is a competitive swimmer and I can confidently say that Crossfit has made her a much better swimmer. She made Varsity and league finals as a freshman and with no prior competitive experience. Taught her how to push through when your body says no more. Increased flexibility, mobility and strength. But again, as I said, the proper coaches with the right qualifications is extremely important.

BattlezFMX let's get something clear crossfit bastardizes exercises. Lochte does not do crossfit "type" exercises. Lochte has been doing those movements long before crossfit became trendy.Do you think Lochte does cleans for 15-30 reps at a time? No! If you have any aspirations for your daughter taking her swimming to the next level get her out of crossfit. My wife is not only the diving coach but also the strength and conditioning coach for the very successful diving program at UCSD and she will not allow her team to do crossfit in the offseason.

EddieC wrote: crossfit and it's philosophy has no place in any sport let alone professional sports. Please don't start in on the crossfit 'TYPE" exercise BS because there is no such thing. crossfit bastardizes tried and true lifts. You don't have to listen to me, but I would like to point out this observation. Of all the medals handed out at the past Olympics none where won by athletes training with crossfit. Of all the guys who made the podium last year in SX none trained with crossfit. Even the winners of the crossfit games don't train 100% crossfit.

BattlezFMX wrote: Actually, have you ever looked into Ryan Lochte's training regimine? He may not call it "Crossfit" but he does essentially that. He does tire flips, cleans , snatches, box jumps, GHD, Slam Balls and with constantly varied movements.

Although I do crossfit 4 X's a week, I agree with a lot of the criticism out there. Many "coaches" should not be running boxes. We switched boxes (which if you understand the community aspect of it, was tough) as we felt our coach was not involved or paying close enough attention to form anymore. We switched to one where all the coaches have Olympic lifting, gymnastics and other certs. They are form Nazi's and are quick to correct or stop anyone without proper form. Even if its a simple air squat. Unfortunately there are too few of those types running crossfit boxes, thus the bad reputation. My daughter is a competitive swimmer and I can confidently say that Crossfit has made her a much better swimmer. She made Varsity and league finals as a freshman and with no prior competitive experience. Taught her how to push through when your body says no more. Increased flexibility, mobility and strength. But again, as I said, the proper coaches with the right qualifications is extremely important.

EddieC wrote: BattlezFMX let's get something clear crossfit bastardizes exercises. Lochte does not do crossfit "type" exercises. Lochte has been doing those movements long before crossfit became trendy.Do you think Lochte does cleans for 15-30 reps at a time? No! If you have any aspirations for your daughter taking her swimming to the next level get her out of crossfit. My wife is not only the diving coach but also the strength and conditioning coach for the very successful diving program at UCSD and she will not allow her team to do crossfit in the offseason.

My favorite quote from that gawk article.
The simple counterpoint to Crossfit is that if you are training for something specific, you'll want to train for that thing, rather than training for "what if you're caught in a burning building and you have to climb out while carrying someone on your shoulders and then run away at top speed and then throw a kettlebell at an angry dog that chased you," as Crossfit does.

There's no dout Lochte is an amazing swimmer, but what's up with those "power cleans" he was doing? They were terrible!

BattlezFMX
tweeted by Matt Delancey @flomo97 @ryanlochte We don't do crossfit. Olympic lift based strength and conditioning program.
2:17pm - 5 Oct 12
Matt Delancy is the strength coach featured in the video you posted.

You want your daughter to have a healthy athetic career? Stay away from crossfit. If you choose not to, please keep me in mind when looking for a sports medicine specialist.

This thread has gone better than expected!

CF's founder Glassman took metabolic conditioning concepts that have been around for decades (even directly plagiarizing Mel Siff), then added the dumb stuff to make CF "unique". Kipping pull-ups, high rep Olympic movements, nonsense programming. The elitist attitude many CFers display is incredibly annoying and breeds the cult mentality.

People are already getting hurt due to the idiocy in the WODs, and HQ runs people off that dare question their lunacy (Rippetoe, Dan John, etc).

It's pumping money right now and they can't afford to have the injury stuff leak out.

I was never a member or anything, but I do use their exercises to inspire my own workouts.

The movement was beneficial for me because it got me out of the globogym mentality; I don't really see myself ever on a bench press again. The benefit that I see from it all is the movement toward functional strength exercising. When are you ever going to be in a situation where you need to use ONLY your biceps? It now seems so silly to me that I ever did any type of isolation exercise.

It's hated by many now because it's popular. Yeah, people get hurt doing this stuff and it's usually because they are doing too much too fast. These dummies are likely going to get hurt regardless.

Since I am on a off season due to the winter here I am on a strength program till February. Then I will start doing high intensity circuit training (plyo metrics , interval training) while sustaining my strength. I go on racer x website and steal some workouts from them and incorporate my own. I work on a oil field in the arctic so I have a 2wk on 2wk off schedule so I can not be on the bike as much as my competitors. This last season I was able to race 4 20 min motos at a pretty a good pace and not get tired at all. My speed does suffer from my schedule but my fitness is spot on.

It's hated now because Glassman and HQ purport it to be the greatest training system ever and anyone that would dare think otherwise is looked down upon.

I'm not a fan of isolation exercises either, but when are you going to need to use the kipped pull-up movement?

Any barbell complex can be done at a "globogym", no matter what the Kool-Aid drinkers say.