Differences in lap times then and now

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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 8:16am
Are there any records of lap times from say 10 years ago, 20 years ago etc. , vs. now in regard to how close the competition was to each other. We are all spoiled when we can look at the differences in speed in today's racers. How close were Bailey and RJ in lap times? Or what about Stanton and Bradshaw?
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wownd out 1/25/2011 5:51pm
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Don't remember my lap times but Jeff Ward lapped my in the 8 lap qualifier at the 83 Rose Bowl!
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Dropbear 1/25/2011 5:52pm
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Another excuse to post this. Id say lap times were close.

Trcks were gnarlier then, steep jumps, little down ramp and no bowl corners. Average speed would have been a lot lower due to the track design.

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wownd out 1/25/2011 5:59pm
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I got a 105.00 lap time out of watching the video.
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Tarz483 1/25/2011 6:00pm
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that was awsome and the track looks great , but todays riders and bikes would have been jumping ofer all kinds of stuff on that track , and would have way lower lap times on that very same track !!

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72kiteboarder 1/25/2011 6:20pm
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Slow down Turbo. You cannot compare lap time from then to now. The tracks were built differently and the bikes were different. There is no comparison unless they run identical tracks.
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Sherwood 1/25/2011 6:22pm
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Evolution of a sport dictates people get better and faster.
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Dropbear 1/25/2011 6:26pm
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I thought the question was, how close were the riders to each other within different eras?

Not so much comparing today with yesteryear.
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wownd out 1/25/2011 6:30pm
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The question was lap times then and now! the tracks back then were much rougher, without multiple rhythm sections and perfectly groomed take off and landings, with nasty ass staggered whoops and big throw you in the air steep ramp singles, the lap times were always over a minute!
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umagumadog 1/25/2011 6:35pm
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72kiteboarder wrote:
Slow down Turbo. You cannot compare lap time from then to now. The tracks were built differently and the bikes were different. There is no comparison...
Slow down Turbo. You cannot compare lap time from then to now. The tracks were built differently and the bikes were different. There is no comparison unless they run identical tracks.
I don't think he's wanting to compare lap times between todays riders and the legends but wants to know how close the lap times of the top riders were 10 or 20 years ago. Were their lap times as close as say JS7 and RV2? Or were they further apart in lap times.



Also on a different note if racers today traded that much plastic this board would melt down. And after hearing that announcer again I'm glad we got Shaheen. Sick

Edit Damn I'm slow
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T-Fish 1/25/2011 6:40pm
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It'd be refreshing to see a track design that was similar to the one above. There's nothing smooth and there's no rhythm at all!
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wownd out 1/25/2011 6:50pm
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The lap time on the 86 Anaheim race was around a 105.00
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VitalFan wrote:
Are there any records of lap times from say 10 years ago, 20 years ago etc. , vs. now in regard to how close the competition...
Are there any records of lap times from say 10 years ago, 20 years ago etc. , vs. now in regard to how close the competition was to each other. We are all spoiled when we can look at the differences in speed in today's racers. How close were Bailey and RJ in lap times? Or what about Stanton and Bradshaw?
We could compare outdoor tracks ???? very curious!
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72kiteboarder wrote:
Slow down Turbo. You cannot compare lap time from then to now. The tracks were built differently and the bikes were different. There is no comparison...
Slow down Turbo. You cannot compare lap time from then to now. The tracks were built differently and the bikes were different. There is no comparison unless they run identical tracks.
umagumadog wrote:
I don't think he's wanting to compare lap times between todays riders and the legends but wants to know how close the lap times of the...
I don't think he's wanting to compare lap times between todays riders and the legends but wants to know how close the lap times of the top riders were 10 or 20 years ago. Were their lap times as close as say JS7 and RV2? Or were they further apart in lap times.



Also on a different note if racers today traded that much plastic this board would melt down. And after hearing that announcer again I'm glad we got Shaheen. Sick

Edit Damn I'm slow
Yep exactly. How far were the gaps between the top riders of the era . Today most times are pretty close even during the race. Sometimes, 2 tenths of a second away from the next rider. Was say, RJ a half second a lap faster than Bailey or vice versa, or were there weeks where maybe one rider was two seconds a lap faster back in the day, etc.
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Hank_Thrill 1/26/2011 4:56pm
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What I would be more interested in, is to see how close the top ten finished within one another... 20 seconds apart, 30 seconds apart, etc.



I know for a fact, the 2010 outdoor series, in the 250f class, was closer than the 450 class. How do I know? I conducted a study? Well, at least for a few random sample rounds. I was going to do the whole thing but it was too time consuming, and I don't get paid for that kind of stuff.
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ocscottie 1/26/2011 5:57pm
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T-Fish wrote:
It'd be refreshing to see a track design that was similar to the one above. There's nothing smooth and there's no rhythm at all!
Remember when they had the Anaheim Retro Night and the track had the big walls, they really disrupted the flow and slowed the track/riders down a lot. I really liked it, bit if i remember correctly, the riders hated it.
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VitalFan 1/26/2011 6:34pm
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72kiteboarder wrote:
Slow down Turbo. You cannot compare lap time from then to now. The tracks were built differently and the bikes were different. There is no comparison...
Slow down Turbo. You cannot compare lap time from then to now. The tracks were built differently and the bikes were different. There is no comparison unless they run identical tracks.
Please read again, not comparing then vs. now, gaps between top riders then, and gaps between riders now. Now it's usually within a second or a little more between 1st through say 5th. Was it similar back in the day? or were the top two , two seconds faster than 3rd through 6th..etc
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Shit man we used stop watches that only recorded one lap! you had to find another start stop point on the track to get another lap time, i doubt there is any real stats on lap times, we didn't care about lap times back then we cared about the lines, doing the jumps and other obstacles efficiently and focused on the races!
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SoCalMX70 1/26/2011 7:03pm
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I was just watching a bunch of the 2001 and 2002 races a few nights ago... Low 50 second lap times just like today.

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VitalFan 1/26/2011 7:08pm
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wownd out wrote:
Shit man we used stop watches that only recorded one lap! you had to find another start stop point on the track to get another lap...
Shit man we used stop watches that only recorded one lap! you had to find another start stop point on the track to get another lap time, i doubt there is any real stats on lap times, we didn't care about lap times back then we cared about the lines, doing the jumps and other obstacles efficiently and focused on the races!
I had an 87 Cr80, and all I worried about was not fouling a plug until I started to get a little faster
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LtColMXUSM131 1/26/2011 11:27pm
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That vid showed some very clean racing. No T-Bone, take out, stand up in the corner.
I always hear that the tracks today are one lined and you can't pass unless you resort to that type of racing. Were there really that many more lines back in the day???
TripleFive 1/27/2011 12:08am
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I think they need to slow down the tracks; I have a hunch it would tighten up the racing consistently.
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LtColMXUSM131 wrote:
That vid showed some very clean racing. No T-Bone, take out, stand up in the corner. I always hear that the tracks today are one lined...
That vid showed some very clean racing. No T-Bone, take out, stand up in the corner.
I always hear that the tracks today are one lined and you can't pass unless you resort to that type of racing. Were there really that many more lines back in the day???
No, but the bikes were a lot more nimble back then, and riding ability had a lot more influence. Fat foopers all follow each other around on the same line, jumping the same jumps. BORING !!
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JoJmoto 1/27/2011 6:00am
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Yeah I gotta think these kids today are much faster then 20+ years ago. With the betterment of the bikes being the ticket to the faster speed and abilities.
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rgmx-49 1/27/2011 6:12am
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JoJmoto wrote:
Yeah I gotta think these kids today are much faster then 20+ years ago. With the betterment of the bikes being the ticket to the faster...
Yeah I gotta think these kids today are much faster then 20+ years ago. With the betterment of the bikes being the ticket to the faster speed and abilities.
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yeah today's racer should be faster due to bike and techniques not around back then, like the bubba scrub.
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toroP 1/27/2011 8:31am
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VitalFan wrote:
Please read again, not comparing then vs. now, gaps between top riders then, and gaps between riders now. Now it's usually within a second or a...
Please read again, not comparing then vs. now, gaps between top riders then, and gaps between riders now. Now it's usually within a second or a little more between 1st through say 5th. Was it similar back in the day? or were the top two , two seconds faster than 3rd through 6th..etc
I guess reading comprehension is lower than normal with these guys.
It seemed pretty clear to meBlink
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Sandberm 1/27/2011 9:45am
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Remember that year when I think it was the Oklahoma City round had lik e 1:15 lap times? Main was like 25 or 26 minutes. I wanna say it was 1990 and Jeff Ward won.

And yes, I know what the topic starter is talking about, but I have my own agenda.
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VitalFan 1/27/2011 3:15pm
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VitalFan wrote:
Please read again, not comparing then vs. now, gaps between top riders then, and gaps between riders now. Now it's usually within a second or a...
Please read again, not comparing then vs. now, gaps between top riders then, and gaps between riders now. Now it's usually within a second or a little more between 1st through say 5th. Was it similar back in the day? or were the top two , two seconds faster than 3rd through 6th..etc
toroP wrote:
I guess reading comprehension is lower than normal with these guys.
It seemed pretty clear to meBlink
Thanks, does this happen a lot around here? I thought it was clear, maybe some just whiskey throttle every chance they get!

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