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10/2/2017 6:15 AM

As a fan of motocross, I love to see the best race. This cant happen regularly as there are 2 major series which run a separate agenda. So the only time fans will get the chance is one wk end a year at the nations. This is one of the best factors of the wk end for me.

I think it is an honor to represent your country, you are crediting the sport of motocross & the industry that supports it.

Riders like ET that have no medical reason not to go, just basically cant be arsed should face some sort of consequences.

An idea might be to say ok you don't want to do it, so next time it's in your country your not eligible. So you cant just cherry pick the easy logistic one's in your career.

At the end of the day I wanna see the best guys step up in future.

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10/2/2017 6:19 AM

As retarded as this is, I LIKE IT!

Born in Corona, living in East TN.

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10/2/2017 6:21 AM

i like it too
i realize they are training hard, but its thier job and they are paid well for it
at my job i get one week off a year

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10/2/2017 6:31 AM

Didn't Dean Wilson race the same amount of races this year as Eli Tomac ?

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10/2/2017 6:34 AM

All Day Long

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10/2/2017 6:35 AM

As said before, It maybe stupid, but I like it.

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10/2/2017 6:36 AM

And Cole Seely...

And Zach O...

Forced to sit out?? I doubt it, but at least a mild drubbing the fans is appropriate.

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10/2/2017 6:48 AM

Along the same lines, I was secretly hoping that next year Roger would give Eli the shoulder because of him keep passing it up with no reason.

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10/2/2017 6:48 AM
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Bitter much? This is America where we all have freedom of choice. Right, wrong or indifferent, we have choice.

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10/2/2017 6:53 AM
Edited Date/Time: 10/2/2017 7:22 AM

Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:

Didn't Dean Wilson race the same amount of races this year as Eli Tomac ?

Yeah but his motos were a lot slower!

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10/2/2017 7:00 AM
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Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:

Didn't Dean Wilson race the same amount of races this year as Eli Tomac ?

kkawboy14 wrote:

Yeah but his motos were a lot slower!

Ha ha true but in the early part of the season he was driving to the races as apposed to Eli jumping on a plane.

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10/2/2017 7:04 AM

It will never happen.

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10/2/2017 7:04 AM

Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:

Ha ha true but in the early part of the season he was driving to the races as apposed to Eli jumping on a plane.

It's just too much to ask a millionaire in his 20's to work 50 weeks out of the year guys...

Born in Corona, living in East TN.

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10/2/2017 7:08 AM
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Red141 wrote:

Bitter much? This is America where we all have freedom of choice. Right, wrong or indifferent, we have choice.

And the team has the right to penalize riders who hinder their country from performing to it's best. If Eli wants to live here great, but if he doesn't want to represent our country after asked, and has no valid reason for not wanting to other than to rest. Then he should be not allowed to ride the following year, whether he wants to or not. Period.

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10/2/2017 7:10 AM

A. How often would the next home nations be an issue for anyone.

B. What damage happens if you send another team of not your best and USA doesn't win at home? Fuckin pack it up.

C. This is really about the sponsors. Why the fuck does Monster want Eli at the USGPs? Does anyone give a fuck he won or lost it?

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10/2/2017 7:13 AM

Might be a little harsh

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10/2/2017 7:14 AM

I like it, seems like I've heard that idea somewhere before

What?

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10/2/2017 7:16 AM

Prejump wrote:

As a fan of motocross, I love to see the best race. This cant happen regularly as there are 2 major series which run a separate agenda. So the only time fans will get the chance is one wk end a year at the nations. This is one of the best factors of the wk end for me.

I think it is an honor to represent your country, you are crediting the sport of motocross & the industry that supports it.

Riders like ET that have no medical reason not to go, just basically cant be arsed should face some sort of consequences.

An idea might be to say ok you don't want to do it, so next time it's in your country your not eligible. So you cant just cherry pick the easy logistic one's in your career.

At the end of the day I wanna see the best guys step up in future.



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10/2/2017 7:18 AM

Stupid idea IMO. You want to purposely get your arse handed to you at home next year because Tomac, who works harder than any of you seem to have a clue, doesn't want to travel half way around the world after having 60 flights already this year?

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10/2/2017 7:27 AM
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What I don't understand is why these top tier guys don't negotiate this into their contract.

For instance.. I get paid XX dollars a year to race XX brand at all SX and MX races (with language included for the bonus structure) for XX seasons.


In addition to the above, I will agree to race the MXDN (also include any other off season race here) if I am selected and as compensation be provided my full race bike, I will receive XX dollars as compensation, and have all travel related costs covered. If the brand/sponsors you ride for don't agree to this and you do get selected you can then push it back to your Sponsor by saying I offered to include this race into my contract and was told no. I don't expect these guys to race for free. They aren't military. They don't have any obligation to defend USA. They are athletes paid to do a job. If they aren't paid, they shouldn't go. Simple. I don't work for free. I doubt any on here would as well.

Another thing I will never understand is why the top tier guys don't stipulate that all air travel will be first class whenever possible. It floors me when I hear that Matthes watches Tomac pass by him on his way to coach seats. Guys like him (and many others) spend hours training their ass off daily, 100s of thousands of dollars on practice tracks, trainers, heavy equipment, etc... But somehow won't spend a few hundred more dollars for a first class ticket. I fly weekly for work and the difference from coach to first class on Delta is rarely more than $200-$300. Even I pay for the upgrade.

And while I am on my rant I will never understand why these guys take the very first flight out the next morning after a race or even worse, the red eye. Why aren't their trainers intervening and saying you have to rest and recover? There is only about a billion studies out there saying that rest is one of the most important components of recovery.

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10/2/2017 7:30 AM

pete24 wrote:

i like it too
i realize they are training hard, but its thier job and they are paid well for it
at my job i get one week off a year

It's not his job. His job is to fulfill his contract with team and sponsors. After his job is completed you guys are asking him to take over-time with no pay and risk of career ending injury. How many on this board would take their vacation time to say go volunteer in Puerto Rico right now? Seems like that would be a noble way to spend your vacation time.

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10/2/2017 7:30 AM

It's the Employers they need to put it in the contracts. Good Luck but that's how you get it done but whose to say a "Medical" couldn't pop up?

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10/2/2017 7:31 AM

A lot of people still this pissed of that the monkey, after years of loyal service to his fans and country, decided it wanted to take a weekend off.

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10/2/2017 7:31 AM

jasonward73 wrote:

What I don't understand is why these top tier guys don't negotiate this into their contract.

For instance.. I get paid XX dollars a year to race XX brand at all SX and MX races (with language included for the bonus structure) for XX seasons.


In addition to the above, I will agree to race the MXDN (also include any other off season race here) if I am selected and as compensation be provided my full race bike, I will receive XX dollars as compensation, and have all travel related costs covered. If the brand/sponsors you ride for don't agree to this and you do get selected you can then push it back to your Sponsor by saying I offered to include this race into my contract and was told no. I don't expect these guys to race for free. They aren't military. They don't have any obligation to defend USA. They are athletes paid to do a job. If they aren't paid, they shouldn't go. Simple. I don't work for free. I doubt any on here would as well.

Another thing I will never understand is why the top tier guys don't stipulate that all air travel will be first class whenever possible. It floors me when I hear that Matthes watches Tomac pass by him on his way to coach seats. Guys like him (and many others) spend hours training their ass off daily, 100s of thousands of dollars on practice tracks, trainers, heavy equipment, etc... But somehow won't spend a few hundred more dollars for a first class ticket. I fly weekly for work and the difference from coach to first class on Delta is rarely more than $200-$300. Even I pay for the upgrade.

And while I am on my rant I will never understand why these guys take the very first flight out the next morning after a race or even worse, the red eye. Why aren't their trainers intervening and saying you have to rest and recover? There is only about a billion studies out there saying that rest is one of the most important components of recovery.

My guess is they are negotiating it out of their contract.

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10/2/2017 7:31 AM
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Pre jump you're a fucking idiot, Eli said it himself that if the date was different for the race he would've done it. These guys have a 17 week series followed by a 12 week series from January to now. That's 29 weeks of the year they have to be training both physically and mentally. They're paid to get results which is a feat in itself, then many of them have to race off season races. They don't get much of a break, they get maybe 2 weeks of a year off and have to train for all the rest of it while following strict diets and sleeping schedules. So quit your bitching

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10/2/2017 7:35 AM

YZfan1230 wrote:

Pre jump you're a fucking idiot, Eli said it himself that if the date was different for the race he would've done it. These guys have a 17 week series followed by a 12 week series from January to now. That's 29 weeks of the year they have to be training both physically and mentally. They're paid to get results which is a feat in itself, then many of them have to race off season races. They don't get much of a break, they get maybe 2 weeks of a year off and have to train for all the rest of it while following strict diets and sleeping schedules. So quit your bitching

What's the difference between Eli's schedule & Dean Wilson's & Cole Seely?

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10/2/2017 7:48 AM

well there won't be a USGP in 2018, so I Eli (or anyone else) won't have do that race

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10/2/2017 7:49 AM

Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:

What's the difference between Eli's schedule & Dean Wilson's & Cole Seely?

How many championships and win races did Cole or Dean have this year (or in their career) in the big boy class?

Some people have a lot more to lose than to gain by racing additional races.

Cole and Dean weren't expected to dominate at MXDN.... And if they somehow did all that would do is raise their stock..

If Eli did anything but win it would lower his stock.

BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

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10/2/2017 7:52 AM

YZfan1230 wrote:

Pre jump you're a fucking idiot, Eli said it himself that if the date was different for the race he would've done it. These guys have a 17 week series followed by a 12 week series from January to now. That's 29 weeks of the year they have to be training both physically and mentally. They're paid to get results which is a feat in itself, then many of them have to race off season races. They don't get much of a break, they get maybe 2 weeks of a year off and have to train for all the rest of it while following strict diets and sleeping schedules. So quit your bitching

Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:

What's the difference between Eli's schedule & Dean Wilson's & Cole Seely?

jasonward73 wrote:

How many championships and win races did Cole or Dean have this year (or in their career) in the big boy class?

Some people have a lot more to lose than to gain by racing additional races.

Cole and Dean weren't expected to dominate at MXDN.... And if they somehow did all that would do is raise their stock..

If Eli did anything but win it would lower his stock.

BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

So if you're a title contender, you don't have to go? Gotcha.

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10/2/2017 7:59 AM

Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:

What's the difference between Eli's schedule & Dean Wilson's & Cole Seely?

jasonward73 wrote:

How many championships and win races did Cole or Dean have this year (or in their career) in the big boy class?

Some people have a lot more to lose than to gain by racing additional races.

Cole and Dean weren't expected to dominate at MXDN.... And if they somehow did all that would do is raise their stock..

If Eli did anything but win it would lower his stock.

BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:

So if you're a title contender, you don't have to go? Gotcha.

The communist countries like Italy and The Netherlands make their riders go, I bet if they lived in a free country they would stay home too.

What?