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Is that Bill France Junior in the plaid pants and red shirt watching Pierre getting minor air?

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Looks like it. But those pants! Smile

How about how poochy the infield grass looks? These days it looks like a major league infield's grass. All manicured.
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3/4/2015 10:42am Edited Date/Time 3/4/2015 10:43am
GuyB wrote:
Looks like it. But those pants! :) How about how poochy the infield grass looks? These days it looks like a major league infield's grass. All...
Looks like it. But those pants! Smile

How about how poochy the infield grass looks? These days it looks like a major league infield's grass. All manicured.
Yeah they have purtied the place up a litle bit since then. I recently watched that replay of the famous 79 500 and the place looked like a pit compared to these days!

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Going off of a few nascar documentaries it has to be Bill jr. That show on the 79 race was pretty cool. The perfect storm.
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The pants are awesome compared to those panty things they wear now. When was that 1975?
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Production monoshocks were out in 75 and the pro's had them a year or 2 before they went into production.
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I was going by the tank graphics maybe he liked twin shocks better? So anyone know what year this was?
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It was 74, I was there. They jumped over the infield pit wall in n those days.
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Isn't that Timmy Hart? Either way Uncle Tony, if you don;t think those boys hauled ass (and got big air) back then, you are crazy!
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Consider this.....the two feet of air I got was with 2 inches of travel.
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JPT wrote:
It was 74, I was there. They jumped over the infield pit wall in n those days.
I was there also,11 yr old. Walked away from my group,dad and such,and found a place where the pit fence had been pulled down.

Walked around in the pits by myself ,watched Joel and Roger get ready ,really had no idea what I was seeing.

That track was long back then.
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GuyB wrote:
Looks like it. But those pants! :) How about how poochy the infield grass looks? These days it looks like a major league infield's grass. All...
Looks like it. But those pants! Smile

How about how poochy the infield grass looks? These days it looks like a major league infield's grass. All manicured.
Being a long time local, I have some insight...

Way back when, Bill Sr. had a buddy named Red Pugh. They were old high school ( I believe) classmates, and when Bill Sr. needed someone to become the manager of the grounds for the new speedway he built in the late 50's, Red was the man. Not really qualified for the job, nor interested in maintaining a sano facility. He did like to drive around in an old pickup truck though.

Unfortunately, the tri-oval area, as well as the outer walls of the banked turns, the infield parking and common areas suffered greatly, until the 80's when Red retired (?) and Dick Hahn was brought in to revitalize the grounds. Dick was a golf course guy, and turned the place into Disney World compared to the early days.

Gone were the weeds, sand and sand spurs. Dick brought in custom blended grasses and turf, state of the art irrigation and made the place immaculate.

Dick is gone now, and I don't know the current grounds crew, but the place looks beautiful year round.
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Tbteam wrote:
Being a long time local, I have some insight... Way back when, Bill Sr. had a buddy named Red Pugh. They were old high school (...
Being a long time local, I have some insight...

Way back when, Bill Sr. had a buddy named Red Pugh. They were old high school ( I believe) classmates, and when Bill Sr. needed someone to become the manager of the grounds for the new speedway he built in the late 50's, Red was the man. Not really qualified for the job, nor interested in maintaining a sano facility. He did like to drive around in an old pickup truck though.

Unfortunately, the tri-oval area, as well as the outer walls of the banked turns, the infield parking and common areas suffered greatly, until the 80's when Red retired (?) and Dick Hahn was brought in to revitalize the grounds. Dick was a golf course guy, and turned the place into Disney World compared to the early days.

Gone were the weeds, sand and sand spurs. Dick brought in custom blended grasses and turf, state of the art irrigation and made the place immaculate.

Dick is gone now, and I don't know the current grounds crew, but the place looks beautiful year round.
Not like anyone cared much back then anyway as long as paint was being traded on the asphalt Smile I'll never forget in my senior year my high school and another small neighboring school chartered some buses and we took our senior trip to Daytona. We proceeded to party on the buses all night on the way down and I woke up just in time to look out the window of the bus as we rolled by the speedway and I was like holy shit everybody LOOK! ITS DAYTONA SPEEDWAY! Needless to say very few of my hungover classmates shared my enthusiasm or had a clue about the place...lol. The beach and all the hotels and bars were like disneyland for us that week and we had a very very very good time!
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We've all just been corrected by my buddy. This shot is from Talladega.
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Karsmakers was on a monoshock in 74.
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elsinore wrote:
Isn't that Timmy Hart? Either way Uncle Tony, if you don;t think those boys hauled ass (and got big air) back then, you are crazy!
Oh I know they hauled ass, I started racing in 71
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Is that Bill France Junior in the plaid pants and red shirt watching Pierre getting minor air?[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/03/04/82441/s1200_93846_karsmakers_first_sx_win.jpg[/img]
Is that Bill France Junior in the plaid pants and red shirt watching Pierre getting minor air?

Landing the 85 foot quad is minor air???
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3/5/2015 8:14am Edited Date/Time 3/5/2015 8:18am
Tbteam wrote:
We've all just been corrected by my buddy. This shot is from Talladega.
Talladega? Really? That's a new one on me, I had no idea they ever raced there. Racer X has only one Dega race in the vault in 1984.
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Is that Bill France Junior in the plaid pants and red shirt watching Pierre getting minor air?[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/03/04/82441/s1200_93846_karsmakers_first_sx_win.jpg[/img]
Is that Bill France Junior in the plaid pants and red shirt watching Pierre getting minor air?

newmann wrote:
Landing the 85 foot quad is minor air???
If that were true I really want to see the next few frames!
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Tbteam wrote:
We've all just been corrected by my buddy. This shot is from Talladega.
Talladega? Really? That's a new one on me, I had no idea they ever raced there. Racer X has only one Dega race in the vault...
Talladega? Really? That's a new one on me, I had no idea they ever raced there. Racer X has only one Dega race in the vault in 1984.
Or you could read DC's article from yesterday and see the photo indicating it's Karsmakers in his 1973 Daytona win.....

http://racerxonline.com/2015/03/04/the-list-daytonas-best
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Tbteam wrote:
We've all just been corrected by my buddy. This shot is from Talladega.
Talladega? Really? That's a new one on me, I had no idea they ever raced there. Racer X has only one Dega race in the vault...
Talladega? Really? That's a new one on me, I had no idea they ever raced there. Racer X has only one Dega race in the vault in 1984.
Or you could read DC's article from yesterday and see the photo indicating it's Karsmakers in his 1973 Daytona win.....

http://racerxonline.com/2015/03/04/the-list-daytonas-best
I'm being told that RacerX could be mistaken.




This little kid on the bicycle is riding the Talladega track that week. His dad was building it, I believe.




Ccould be wrong though.
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3/5/2015 10:46am Edited Date/Time 3/5/2015 10:49am
Tbteam wrote:
I'm being told that RacerX could be mistaken. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/03/05/82547/s1200_image.jpg[/img] This little kid on the bicycle is riding the Talladega track that week. His dad was building...
I'm being told that RacerX could be mistaken.




This little kid on the bicycle is riding the Talladega track that week. His dad was building it, I believe.




Ccould be wrong though.
I'm glad I started this thread because I learned an awesome piece of moto trivia! SX @ Dega 73 Cool (MX technically)

edit: I just noticed the kid is riding one of the most dangerous bicyles ever made.
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JPT wrote:
It was 74, I was there. They jumped over the infield pit wall in n those days.
Thanks I was only a year off, back then my buddy had a 1975 YZ 80 and I had an XR 75, the bike in the pic reminded me of his YZ80...
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Tbteam wrote:
I'm being told that RacerX could be mistaken. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/03/05/82547/s1200_image.jpg[/img] This little kid on the bicycle is riding the Talladega track that week. His dad was building...
I'm being told that RacerX could be mistaken.




This little kid on the bicycle is riding the Talladega track that week. His dad was building it, I believe.




Ccould be wrong though.
I'm glad I started this thread because I learned an awesome piece of moto trivia! SX @ Dega 73 B) (MX technically) edit: I just noticed...
I'm glad I started this thread because I learned an awesome piece of moto trivia! SX @ Dega 73 Cool (MX technically)

edit: I just noticed the kid is riding one of the most dangerous bicyles ever made.
Do you recognize the kid?
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My apologies for being a smart ass TB.....

I had forgotten that Gary Bailey was designing the Daytona tracks as early as 1972/73... and did not realize he may have also designed the Talladega course. Could very well be Talladega.
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3/5/2015 11:42am Edited Date/Time 3/5/2015 11:42am
Funny anecdote from DB:

RacerX is incorrect. I know Talladega. The tri-oval in Daytona isn't red clay, isn't near that big, doesn't have that scoreboard or the red and white Winston pit wall and where is the gray/black sand on Pierre's bike? When GB made jumps in Daytona back then he used limerock (white)

Pretty sure Rich Eierstedt won the support class that day on a factory Honda

.. and I had apple jacks for breakfast in our 28ft Chieftan Winnabago and worked on my dad's bike on a Bryer Holcomb stand wearing one of my dad's red, white and blue painters caps

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