Concussion....!

1st off you are rambling, take to more weeks off and hit enter every once in awhile whilst typing.

if blaming the whoops doesn't work , blame the bike but what ever you do don't take any personal responsibility for crashing.

Dude I hear u on milestone's whoops! I hate them.

Like you said, everyone is different. If the headaches continue get additional scans.

I have had 3-4 bad head crashes, like baseball size bruises on my forehead & black eyes thru my helmet & was fine the next day. A friend of mine basically had an embarassing low speed hi-side & rang his bell, had vertigo for 4 weeks, then was fine.

Good luck!!

As a general rule of thumb with concussions.......after the headaches stop, give it 2 more weeks.

Don't forget to replace your helmet too.

M-Stones whoops are alil gnarly sometimes. hope you make a full recovery

I was knocked unconscious back in 1999... Had CT scan everything was fine... I took 2 months off and started riding again! I don't remember having headaches like you are having though, with TBI I wouldn't mess around take your time and come back when you feel 100% again.... Ok maybe 90

Been in this awhile if kid hits head or is knocked out, CT scan right away and then another in 2 weeks. To see if any additional swelling or a bleed has shown up. I always say get a 2nd one to check progress especially if someone is having headaches.

500guy wrote: 1st off you are rambling, take to more weeks off and hit enter every once in awhile whilst typing.

if blaming the whoops doesn't work , blame the bike but what ever you do don't take any personal responsibility for crashing.

Wow that was pretty unnessecary and unkind.

superglue wrote: As a general rule of thumb with concussions.......after the headaches stop, give it 2 more weeks.

This is what i say, two weeks from when headaches stop and/or you feel normal again...no weakness or cloudiness

500guy wrote: 1st off you are rambling, take to more weeks off and hit enter every once in awhile whilst typing.

if blaming the whoops doesn't work , blame the bike but what ever you do don't take any personal responsibility for crashing.

tblazier wrote: Wow that was pretty unnessecary and unkind.

no it was true.

500guy wrote: 1st off you are rambling, take to more weeks off and hit enter every once in awhile whilst typing.

if blaming the whoops doesn't work , blame the bike but what ever you do don't take any personal responsibility for crashing.

tblazier wrote: Wow that was pretty unnessecary and unkind.

chuck317 wrote: no it was true.

I don't dispute it was a bit rambling. My point is was it really necessary to take the time to bash a guy for no good reason. Manners and courtesy appear to be a lost art in our society.

Call your doc. Message board testimonials are not an adequate substitute.

500guy wrote: 1st off you are rambling, take to more weeks off and hit enter every once in awhile whilst typing.

if blaming the whoops doesn't work , blame the bike but what ever you do don't take any personal responsibility for crashing.

tblazier wrote: Wow that was pretty unnessecary and unkind.

chuck317 wrote: no it was true.

The blame game in your head about the whoops is a yellow flag for your mental recovery for the long term.

short term; each concussion is unique, base your recovery on how you feel.
the time it takes for 100% recovery is the time it takes, their are no short cuts for time.

with MX racing balance is major key. many concussion accessments overlook this.

( basic balance test ) while standing can you close your eyes and not move .

listen to what your body tells you.

Concussions permanently affect your brain and second-impact syndrome can exponentially increase the damage.

Error on the side of caution - your future children will thank you.

On an unrelated note, does anyone know why Junior Seau killed himself?

LoudLove wrote: Call your doc. Message board testimonials are not an adequate substitute.

Good suggestion. Concussion is actually brain damage, no one can be certain about how much damage that really took place, and symptoms varies from person to person, and where the actual damage occurred. With damage comes bleeding, brain needs wash debris away, and build new nerves if it's possible, or to create scar tissue which means exchange broken/not working nerves. One or two mild concussion might go unnoticed in the long run, maybe one can surive many? But the more you have the higher risk of permanent dysfunction (ask Broc Helper).

I would really wait a damn long time before going back to the bike, ask you Doc what he suggest for you, but shooting from the hip, I feel like months might be necessary rather than weeks.

Also, some tracks are harder or more dangerous than others, I know the feeling how tempting it is to blame others for ones misfortune, but we ride dirt bikes for a hobby, it's dangerous.

LoudLove wrote: Call your doc. Message board testimonials are not an adequate substitute.

DrSweden wrote: Good suggestion. Concussion is actually brain damage, no one can be certain about how much damage that really took place, and symptoms varies from person to person, and where the actual damage occurred. With damage comes bleeding, brain needs wash debris away, and build new nerves if it's possible, or to create scar tissue which means exchange broken/not working nerves. One or two mild concussion might go unnoticed in the long run, maybe one can surive many? But the more you have the higher risk of permanent dysfunction (ask Broc Helper).

I would really wait a damn long time before going back to the bike, ask you Doc what he suggest for you, but shooting from the hip, I feel like months might be necessary rather than weeks.

Also, some tracks are harder or more dangerous than others, I know the feeling how tempting it is to blame others for ones misfortune, but we ride dirt bikes for a hobby, it's dangerous.

I don't know that I would call that a mild concussion. There is too much of a grey area anymore to classify a concussion as mild to moderate or to grade it as a I,II, or class III injury. You'd already had the neurological exam with your doctor. Just continue to followup with your doctor and allow him/her to continue your care. You will basically need cognitve rest...plain and simple. I deal with this on a daily basis and have athletes tested before every season starts. Take the time to let your mind and body heal.

LoudLove wrote: Call your doc. Message board testimonials are not an adequate substitute.

DrSweden wrote: Good suggestion. Concussion is actually brain damage, no one can be certain about how much damage that really took place, and symptoms varies from person to person, and where the actual damage occurred. With damage comes bleeding, brain needs wash debris away, and build new nerves if it's possible, or to create scar tissue which means exchange broken/not working nerves. One or two mild concussion might go unnoticed in the long run, maybe one can surive many? But the more you have the higher risk of permanent dysfunction (ask Broc Helper).

I would really wait a damn long time before going back to the bike, ask you Doc what he suggest for you, but shooting from the hip, I feel like months might be necessary rather than weeks.

Also, some tracks are harder or more dangerous than others, I know the feeling how tempting it is to blame others for ones misfortune, but we ride dirt bikes for a hobby, it's dangerous.

MXATC wrote: I don't know that I would call that a mild concussion. There is too much of a grey area anymore to classify a concussion as mild to moderate or to grade it as a I,II, or class III injury. You'd already had the neurological exam with your doctor. Just continue to followup with your doctor and allow him/her to continue your care. You will basically need cognitve rest...plain and simple. I deal with this on a daily basis and have athletes tested before every season starts. Take the time to let your mind and body heal.

You are right, I don't know if that was a direct answer to my response? I was just trying to advocate better safe than sorry in general, because tissue healing in brain takes way longer than any actual feeling of any damage. For me, two weeks convalescence despite grade, symptoms is to early to draw any conclusions whatsoever.

It's impossible to suggest anything else than being cautious and keep in touch with the responsible doctor.

Neurologist or sports medicine Doc maybe?

500guy wrote: 1st off you are rambling, take to more weeks off and hit enter every once in awhile whilst typing.

if blaming the whoops doesn't work , blame the bike but what ever you do don't take any personal responsibility for crashing.

tblazier wrote: Wow that was pretty unnessecary and unkind.

500guy is a fat turd... likes to run his mouth, errrrr, fingers. Dbag

500guy wrote: 1st off you are rambling, take to more weeks off and hit enter every once in awhile whilst typing.

if blaming the whoops doesn't work , blame the bike but what ever you do don't take any personal responsibility for crashing.

Stay classy Jay.

bad luck man... just don't rush back from that sort of thing, that's all i can say

500guy wrote: 1st off you are rambling, take to more weeks off and hit enter every once in awhile whilst typing.

if blaming the whoops doesn't work , blame the bike but what ever you do don't take any personal responsibility for crashing.

tblazier wrote: Wow that was pretty unnessecary and unkind.

chuck317 wrote: no it was true.

A little reality check for the OP re: his whining about the whoops.....he earned that.

If you're talking the way your typing, then yes, you need to get back to the doc for a f/u exam. A good neuro exam should show most problems, but the con't headaches may need further w/u. This doctor from the US agrees with the doctor from Sweden on this one.....

If you are looking for permission to sue a track, fuck off and then go screw yourself.

If you are looking for medical advice, you need to see a fucking doctor, this is a message board not a clinic or ER.

And third, The whoops were perfect, you simply screwed up. Ride better next time.

72kiteboarder wrote: If you are looking for permission to sue a track, fuck off and then go screw yourself.

If you are looking for medical advice, you need to see a fucking doctor, this is a message board not a clinic or ER.

And third, The whoops were perfect, you simply screwed up. Ride better next time.

What is this " Asshole day "? What the fuck is wrong with some of you fucking idiots? The guy comes on here seeking advice about concussions ( because yeah.....concussions are part of the sport )......and you assholes just cut him down , call him names and act like you even know WTF you're even talking about.

You live in fucking FL dummy.....how the fuck would you know what the whoops were like? Another guy who actually "rides there" said the same thing....the whoops are fucked. The you ( from FL ) and Jay ( from AZ ) both come in spouting off that there isn't anything wrong with the whoops....how the fuck would you know?

FWIW.....I damn near did the exact same thing on a set of whoops in may. Broke some ribs on top of taking a dirt nap. Guess what?......in 3 days that exact whoop where I ate shit on.....claimed 5 other people! Reason?.....buried tree root that had been exposed. Got fixed by the guy who owns the track....now it's good.

Next time try thinking before opening your big cake holes.

72kiteboarder wrote: If you are looking for permission to sue a track, fuck off and then go screw yourself.

If you are looking for medical advice, you need to see a fucking doctor, this is a message board not a clinic or ER.

And third, The whoops were perfect, you simply screwed up. Ride better next time.

jeffro503 wrote: What is this " Asshole day "? What the fuck is wrong with some of you fucking idiots? The guy comes on here seeking advice about concussions ( because yeah.....concussions are part of the sport )......and you assholes just cut him down , call him names and act like you even know WTF you're even talking about.

You live in fucking FL dummy.....how the fuck would you know what the whoops were like? Another guy who actually "rides there" said the same thing....the whoops are fucked. The you ( from FL ) and Jay ( from AZ ) both come in spouting off that there isn't anything wrong with the whoops....how the fuck would you know?

FWIW.....I damn near did the exact same thing on a set of whoops in may. Broke some ribs on top of taking a dirt nap. Guess what?......in 3 days that exact whoop where I ate shit on.....claimed 5 other people! Reason?.....buried tree root that had been exposed. Got fixed by the guy who owns the track....now it's good.

Next time try thinking before opening your big cake holes.

Thanks for standing up for me jeffro!, No plans on suing the track, I signed a waiver, funny thing is it that they rarely ever have you sign a waiver, but that day they did, seems to me that not having someone sign a waiver is track suicide, so many people are sue happy these days. Not looking for doctor advice on here, just some fellow rider feedback. This is my first concussion, not really sure what to expect with symptoms.
I appreciate all the positive feedback, and hey this is Vitalmx! no one’s as brave or as smart as the guy behind the keyboard sitting is his underwear. What I was saying is, I just think that the whoop section at Milestone to be sub-par, I have watched a lot of riders make the same mistake there in that section and really it could be avoided. I just wished they listened to their customer feedback page on Facebook a little more. I mean the rest of the track is great in my opinion, I love riding there. Don't get me wrong, I was not looking to pass blame on anyone. Yes, I am upset that I crashed, could it have been avoided by me.... of course, I should of slowed down and not go through them in 4th gear.

72kiteboarder wrote: If you are looking for permission to sue a track, fuck off and then go screw yourself.

If you are looking for medical advice, you need to see a fucking doctor, this is a message board not a clinic or ER.

And third, The whoops were perfect, you simply screwed up. Ride better next time.

jeffro503 wrote: What is this " Asshole day "? What the fuck is wrong with some of you fucking idiots? The guy comes on here seeking advice about concussions ( because yeah.....concussions are part of the sport )......and you assholes just cut him down , call him names and act like you even know WTF you're even talking about.

You live in fucking FL dummy.....how the fuck would you know what the whoops were like? Another guy who actually "rides there" said the same thing....the whoops are fucked. The you ( from FL ) and Jay ( from AZ ) both come in spouting off that there isn't anything wrong with the whoops....how the fuck would you know?

FWIW.....I damn near did the exact same thing on a set of whoops in may. Broke some ribs on top of taking a dirt nap. Guess what?......in 3 days that exact whoop where I ate shit on.....claimed 5 other people! Reason?.....buried tree root that had been exposed. Got fixed by the guy who owns the track....now it's good.

Next time try thinking before opening your big cake holes.

offthechizzain wrote: Thanks for standing up for me jeffro!, No plans on suing the track, I signed a waiver, funny thing is it that they rarely ever have you sign a waiver, but that day they did, seems to me that not having someone sign a waiver is track suicide, so many people are sue happy these days. Not looking for doctor advice on here, just some fellow rider feedback. This is my first concussion, not really sure what to expect with symptoms.
I appreciate all the positive feedback, and hey this is Vitalmx! no one’s as brave or as smart as the guy behind the keyboard sitting is his underwear. What I was saying is, I just think that the whoop section at Milestone to be sub-par, I have watched a lot of riders make the same mistake there in that section and really it could be avoided. I just wished they listened to their customer feedback page on Facebook a little more. I mean the rest of the track is great in my opinion, I love riding there. Don't get me wrong, I was not looking to pass blame on anyone. Yes, I am upset that I crashed, could it have been avoided by me.... of course, I should of slowed down and not go through them in 4th gear.

I totally understand where you're coming from. A lot of guys ( including myself a few times ) have come on here looking for a little "doctors advice" on certain things.....before I made the trip to the hospital , or maybe just getting some advice to wait a couple days.....every injury is different depending on the person. Hopefully Milestone takes a look at those whoops and figures out exactly where people are having issues. But like what some others in this thread stated.....concussions are nothing to mess around with , so give yourself some time to heal. And it's probably not a bad idea to go in and see a doctor again.

As far as the Jay and 72Kiteboarder comments I made last night....they were a little harsh. But Christ.....it kind of pissed me off listening to a couple guys thrash on some newer guy here when he was just looking for advice. If you don't have anything positive to say , or can give any reasonable advice....then why say anything?

I recently had a bad crash at 3 palms in Houston 2 Fridays ago. I showed up at the track around 10, signed in, drove back to the GP track (which was the only track open that day) and unloaded. My next memory is I am in the Hospital getting wheeled into a cat scan (supposedly my second one). I am fully dressed in my street clothes, and all scraped up and sore. A few minutes later they wheel me back to my room in ER and my sister is there, which is weird because we dont hang out that often.

Apparently, from my research and via a post on Houstonmotocross.com, I ran out of gas at the end of a long moto on the face of a small table top that I usually hit pinned in 4th and over jump. The bike immediately went into an endo and I jump off and started kartwheeling followed by the bike chasing after me like a bull in Pamplona. A few onlookers came running out on the track and by the time they got to me I was already up and wondering around. They pushed my bike back for me and I walked to my truck. From what I read I was coherent enough to load my stuff up, get dressed, and convince the people who helped me to the truck that I was okay.

Then apparently I left the track and called my dad. I told him I had crashed and wasnt sure how to get home. He told me to pull over and he would send my sister to come get me and take me to the hospital as I was complaining of back pain. I pulled over, a few times, and when she caught up with me I was 40 miles north of the track. I followed her to a hospital and a couple hours later is when I can start remembering that day. I was diagnosed with a stage III concussion and a broken t-4 and t-5 vertebrae. I am having surgery this coming Friday at 11 am followed by a year off the bike with rehab.

This wasnt my first concussion. I am 32 and have been racing for 28 years, 9 of them racing sx and mx (98-07). I have had near 10 concussions, 3 of them I lost consciousness, and 7 of them I have no recollection of the entire day, including my latest one. Still today 10 days later my short term memory is F'ed. This concussion shit is scary. I may be hanging it up.