Chiz on an mcr250

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Guess the AMA's rule book is written with pencil
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Crush 12/6/2016 7:47pm
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I will usually nut on the inconsistencies of the rules in our sport...

But in this and Philthy's case, I'm in full agreement.

Especially while the teams haven't gotten their shit together enough to bully the promoters into getting a better deal... until the costs and profits are better shared, and the riders keep losing out, a rule change to let these guys make a decent living seems sensible.

Mind you.. Tickle, Bogle, Mookie, Weimer, Hansen and Canard might have all liked that flexibility not so long ago.
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MxKing809 12/6/2016 7:54pm
12/6/2016 7:54pm Edited Date/Time 12/6/2016 7:55pm
This is the same guy that deserved a permanent number 11 right? Now he's dropping down?

Does he keep his permanent 450 Career number? Does he forfeit it? How does that work? Is it reserved for him if he moves back up?

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Crush wrote:
I will usually nut on the inconsistencies of the rules in our sport... But in this and Philthy's case, I'm in full agreement. Especially while the...
I will usually nut on the inconsistencies of the rules in our sport...

But in this and Philthy's case, I'm in full agreement.

Especially while the teams haven't gotten their shit together enough to bully the promoters into getting a better deal... until the costs and profits are better shared, and the riders keep losing out, a rule change to let these guys make a decent living seems sensible.

Mind you.. Tickle, Bogle, Mookie, Weimer, Hansen and Canard might have all liked that flexibility not so long ago.
Good for MCR I really hope they have a good year. Chiz and Philthy were never 250SX Champions and they never even pointed out unlike most of the guys on your list.
bartziokas123 12/6/2016 8:16pm
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MxKing809 wrote:
This is the same guy that [i]deserved [/i] a permanent number 11 right? Now he's dropping down? Does he keep his permanent 450 Career number? Does...
This is the same guy that deserved a permanent number 11 right? Now he's dropping down?

Does he keep his permanent 450 Career number? Does he forfeit it? How does that work? Is it reserved for him if he moves back up?

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redbeard104 12/6/2016 8:20pm
12/6/2016 8:20pm Edited Date/Time 12/6/2016 8:21pm
MxKing809 wrote:
This is the same guy that [i]deserved [/i] a permanent number 11 right? Now he's dropping down? Does he keep his permanent 450 Career number? Does...
This is the same guy that deserved a permanent number 11 right? Now he's dropping down?

Does he keep his permanent 450 Career number? Does he forfeit it? How does that work? Is it reserved for him if he moves back up?

bartziokas123 wrote:
+1
He will keep the number 11 as it is not just a 450 career number it is a career number no matter the size of the bike. It is his number until he doesn't score enough points to keep it
johnnypotato123 12/6/2016 8:20pm
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MxKing809 wrote:
This is the same guy that [i]deserved [/i] a permanent number 11 right? Now he's dropping down? Does he keep his permanent 450 Career number? Does...
This is the same guy that deserved a permanent number 11 right? Now he's dropping down?

Does he keep his permanent 450 Career number? Does he forfeit it? How does that work? Is it reserved for him if he moves back up?

No such thing as a 450 career number, he'll be 11 in the 250 class and 11 if he ever races a 450 again. And yes he deserved it because he earned it.
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TommyLee93 12/6/2016 8:22pm
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MxKing809 wrote:
This is the same guy that [i]deserved [/i] a permanent number 11 right? Now he's dropping down? Does he keep his permanent 450 Career number? Does...
This is the same guy that deserved a permanent number 11 right? Now he's dropping down?

Does he keep his permanent 450 Career number? Does he forfeit it? How does that work? Is it reserved for him if he moves back up?

johnnypotato123 wrote:
No such thing as a 450 career number, he'll be 11 in the 250 class and 11 if he ever races a 450 again. And yes...
No such thing as a 450 career number, he'll be 11 in the 250 class and 11 if he ever races a 450 again. And yes he deserved it because he earned it.
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kzizok 12/6/2016 8:24pm
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Crush wrote:
I will usually nut on the inconsistencies of the rules in our sport... But in this and Philthy's case, I'm in full agreement. Especially while the...
I will usually nut on the inconsistencies of the rules in our sport...

But in this and Philthy's case, I'm in full agreement.

Especially while the teams haven't gotten their shit together enough to bully the promoters into getting a better deal... until the costs and profits are better shared, and the riders keep losing out, a rule change to let these guys make a decent living seems sensible.

Mind you.. Tickle, Bogle, Mookie, Weimer, Hansen and Canard might have all liked that flexibility not so long ago.
Agreed.
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kiwifan 12/6/2016 8:32pm
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johnnypotato123 wrote:
No such thing as a 450 career number, he'll be 11 in the 250 class and 11 if he ever races a 450 again. And yes...
No such thing as a 450 career number, he'll be 11 in the 250 class and 11 if he ever races a 450 again. And yes he deserved it because he earned it.
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kzizok 12/6/2016 8:56pm
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So far, this thread has to be some sort of record for the number of people agreeing with each other.
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slipdog 12/6/2016 8:59pm
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kzizok wrote:
So far, this thread has to be some sort of record for the number of people agreeing with each other.
No it isn't.
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BobPA 12/6/2016 9:00pm
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kzizok wrote:
So far, this thread has to be some sort of record for the number of people agreeing with each other.
Agreed
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kzizok 12/6/2016 9:00pm
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kzizok wrote:
So far, this thread has to be some sort of record for the number of people agreeing with each other.
slipdog wrote:
No it isn't.
You're right, it isn't.


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AS64 12/6/2016 10:43pm
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kzizok wrote:
So far, this thread has to be some sort of record for the number of people agreeing with each other.
slipdog wrote:
No it isn't.
Agreed.

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Excracingteam.com 12/6/2016 11:15pm
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kiwifan wrote:
Nope
Thanks.
But why not? Any info? Mike said they'd have Freddie on for 250-west. I think even Freddie said so on a swedish site.
Just a shame if he can't get some help.
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kzizok 12/6/2016 11:18pm
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kiwifan wrote:
Nope
Excracingteam.com wrote:
Thanks. But why not? Any info? Mike said they'd have Freddie on for 250-west. I think even Freddie said so on a swedish site. Just a...
Thanks.
But why not? Any info? Mike said they'd have Freddie on for 250-west. I think even Freddie said so on a swedish site.
Just a shame if he can't get some help.
My thoughts align with yours.
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aaryn #234 12/7/2016 12:06am
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kzizok wrote:
So far, this thread has to be some sort of record for the number of people agreeing with each other.
slipdog wrote:
No it isn't.
I Agree it hasnt
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HenryA 12/7/2016 12:12am
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kiwifan wrote:
Nope
Excracingteam.com wrote:
Thanks. But why not? Any info? Mike said they'd have Freddie on for 250-west. I think even Freddie said so on a swedish site. Just a...
Thanks.
But why not? Any info? Mike said they'd have Freddie on for 250-west. I think even Freddie said so on a swedish site.
Just a shame if he can't get some help.
VitalMX (GuyB, ML512?) posted on Instagram that Norén opted out. Dry
Wetterstrand 12/7/2016 12:49am
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kiwifan wrote:
Nope
Excracingteam.com wrote:
Thanks. But why not? Any info? Mike said they'd have Freddie on for 250-west. I think even Freddie said so on a swedish site. Just a...
Thanks.
But why not? Any info? Mike said they'd have Freddie on for 250-west. I think even Freddie said so on a swedish site.
Just a shame if he can't get some help.
HenryA wrote:
VitalMX (GuyB, ML512?) posted on Instagram that Norén opted out. Dry
He opted out due to a deal with Oneal that didn't work with the team deal (JT).
He took the Oneal money and went his own way, it's what I got told.
Dissapointing for the fans since MCR is a very solid team and with good results it could have been a good thing for Norén.
Hope everything will turn out good for Freddy anyway!
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MX114 12/7/2016 2:15am
12/7/2016 2:15am Edited Date/Time 12/7/2016 2:16am
MxKing809 wrote:
This is the same guy that [i]deserved [/i] a permanent number 11 right? Now he's dropping down? Does he keep his permanent 450 Career number? Does...
This is the same guy that deserved a permanent number 11 right? Now he's dropping down?

Does he keep his permanent 450 Career number? Does he forfeit it? How does that work? Is it reserved for him if he moves back up?

I've got no issue with Chiz dropping down it's just this shows how jacked up the permanent # situation is. That deal needs restructuring. We are not NASCAR. More riders need to run the # they actually earned the previous series. I like chiz and all but come on man. Too the average fan they prolly think he is the 11th ranked rider. When in fact he is nowhere near that. Don't see how he should hold onto that #. Look at mike brown holding the #3 all those years. Super lame
nascarnate326 12/7/2016 2:38am
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Abolish the point out rule and let guys ride what they want and what they can make the most money at.

Good for SmartTop for sticking with MX/SX!!!
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fullfloater 12/7/2016 2:38am
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I don't remember anyone having a problem with Dowd's #16. What's the difference with #11? It's not like it's a single digit. I'll admit that I like the old system the best but I'd be happy with single digit for premier class champs only (meaning Dungey and Stew are the only legitimate single digit guys). Otherwise, career numbers are fine and Chisholm earned it.
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MxKing809 12/7/2016 4:03am
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I don't remember anyone having a problem with Dowd's #16. What's the difference with #11? It's not like it's a single digit. I'll admit that I...
I don't remember anyone having a problem with Dowd's #16. What's the difference with #11? It's not like it's a single digit. I'll admit that I like the old system the best but I'd be happy with single digit for premier class champs only (meaning Dungey and Stew are the only legitimate single digit guys). Otherwise, career numbers are fine and Chisholm earned it.
And I'd be OK with that if he stayed in the premier class. Dropping down to the feeder class should negate the permanent number he earned. I also think the threshold for permanent numbers is too high. Top 3 in the overall points (250/450) and 250 MX champ should get that option..... not top 10.

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