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Anyone else notice how Carmichael and Emig downplayed the Canard takeout on Dungey? It was shamefully obvious.
Carmichael: "He runs him high. Not hard contact. See the top of that berm just falls away. Trey was using up all the track." He even goes so far as to blame the track before he accuses Canard of overly aggressive or dirty riding.
On the other hand, when Emig describes Friese trying to turn under Peick, he said, "It was totally intentional." Both Emig and Carmichael defend Peick and accuse Friese of riding dirty. That's ridiculous. Peick should have shut off. Friese did not even make contact with Peick. Not like how Canard ran into Dungey in the main.
If you look at the footage, it clearly shows that Canard's contact with Dungey was far more aggressive than Friese's move on Peick. And I am not even going to get into the boneheaded move Dungey pulled on Stewart in the main. That deserves its own thread.
So, can anyone else spot the double standard here?
Carmichael: "He runs him high. Not hard contact. See the top of that berm just falls away. Trey was using up all the track." He even goes so far as to blame the track before he accuses Canard of overly aggressive or dirty riding.
On the other hand, when Emig describes Friese trying to turn under Peick, he said, "It was totally intentional." Both Emig and Carmichael defend Peick and accuse Friese of riding dirty. That's ridiculous. Peick should have shut off. Friese did not even make contact with Peick. Not like how Canard ran into Dungey in the main.
If you look at the footage, it clearly shows that Canard's contact with Dungey was far more aggressive than Friese's move on Peick. And I am not even going to get into the boneheaded move Dungey pulled on Stewart in the main. That deserves its own thread.
So, can anyone else spot the double standard here?
Does anyone else want to have some fun with this dude?
The Shop
By many, many riders....not just Emig and Carmichael
Perception is reality.
Friese is kind of like the kid in High School that talks a whole bunch of shit but the teachers never do anything about it. Always gets away with it, and when someone calls him out, he pretends he isn't doing anything wrong....that is until one day someday has had enough of his crap and puts him in his place.
Canard does not have a reputation of being a dirty rider...Friese does.
Friese's background SHOULD pay a roll in how the situation is assessed..... and anyone telling you different is either stupid or a lair.
Really? I perceive a lack of understanding of the nature of reality in the above quote.
Now what do we do?
Canard hasn't been dirty, but he does make poor choices at times. Sorta Stew-lite in a way. The biggest difference I see between the moves is one guy has a long history of take outs, and was retaliating after getting passed, in a Semi. The other guy was moving up, in the main. Time, place, and history.
The second incident is when VF torpedoed WP
The above posts are mixing these two all up and this thread has fallen apart because no one knows what anyone is writing about.
Canards riding into the side of RD was worse than when VF elbowed WP
VF torpedo into WP was much worse than any other contact the whole night
I don't think such a torpedo should be tolerated in our sport but the general consensus is that it is somehow ok and we all have seen the soft penalties handed out by the AMA in such cases.
What many people (on this forum too) are overlooking are the long term effects on our sport of actions such as torpedoes and fist fighting ---- if it persists it just drags the sport down to the level of lesser respected sports.
I would rather see our sport as a family-oriented one where the second placing rider stops at the finish line to congratulate the winner rather than ducking his head and riding off because he disrespects the other rider because he has a history of dirty riding - We want a starting line full of riders like Bayle or Johnson, not riders like we saw fighting the other night. The way to achieve a starting line with riders like Bayle is have standards in our sport - just draw a line and do not tolerate bad behavior. Plus it is just stupid for WP to spend so many years of his life to get good at his sport and then throw away a complete season with a 20 second fist fight. It is a total loose-loose situation.
If a rider knows his season ends the moment he torpedoes, eventually he will just concentrate on trying to get to the finish like quickly instead of planing a take out move. Think about it...
Pit Row
These guys are so pumped because it's the first race of the year and haven't raced in awhile. I love everyone on here judging a person that go overboard with emotions even when it is practically justified. Everyone is tempered differently. Just because someone feels they could maintain their composure in that situation doesn't make that person correct when they are critical for not.
If some of you haven't noticed, there are not many factory jobs available. These guys are fighting their butts off trying to earn or maintain these jobs only to have some knucklehead take you out of two races. Many people would have retaliated. Maybe in a race somewhere down the line, but imo that kind of bs riding should be punished just as severely as a rider kicking another's butt for continually riding that way. Peick had a very good year and can win races. When is the last time Vince did anything? My rant isn't just about him either. I'm talking about any type of over the top actions like that.
I had this nemesis battle record with a certain kid around my area growing up racing superminis. There were times we would fight. Warranted on both sides. All based on emotion. Being a kid you don't control it well. But at the top of the sport I can see why peick lost it. But then again this isn't the same situation either because friese and peick aren't battling constantly. Friese is in the way. He got damn good starts. Wish peick could clean up his starts and not be in the position to deal with friese.
No bias/judgment in this statement either?
2nd incident between Vince and Weston looked 100% like Vince going in for the takeout.
Canard pushed Dungey over the berm. I think it was wrong. Anyone remember Canard pushing RV into the metal finish line structure back when they were on 250s? He is no angel.
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