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Sorry, that's pure speculation, not evidence.
I guess that's a good argument that ALL vehicles need straight pipes.
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"save me government! protect me from myself! Make everyone wear helmets! MAKE THEM!!!!! Please protect me government! I need the security and saftey that only you can provide. Please goverment, help me!"
That's what I hear when I hear people support stupid laws in which the government is simply trying to legislate stupidity out of the public.
I'm with you on the sound issue.
I wear a helmet every time I'm on a bike (and usually full leathers), but I don't want the government MAKING me do it. It's called freedom!
freedom to succeed (live)...freedome to fail (die, because you were stupid).
the government needs to step back a few paces.
You cant hardly hear them in a car unless they are literally right in front of you or next to you. Explain to me how loud pipes stops someone from pulling out in front of someone, or making a left in front of someone or lets you see them on the highway while they are dumb enough to stay in the blind spot (not pass, just cruise right there) they DONT..........
here is what loud pipes are for, period.
i like how someone also said freedom, the right to choose.... I have a right not to have the walls of my damn house shake at 1 am when some douchebag on a Big Dog feels the need to hammer the throttle. I love the "my rights" people. They only want whats right by them and if it isnt right by them, regardless of how many others its right by, "you are taking away my freedom". Freedom = responsibility to society. Be free, just dont piss off 30 people for your damn self interest.
Here is my take on this, quoted from Born'
"i like how someone also said freedom, the right to choose.... I have a right not to have the walls of my damn house shake at 1 am when some douchebag on a Big Dog feels the need to hammer the throttle. I love the "my rights" people. They only want whats right by them and if it isnt right by them, regardless of how many others its right by, "you are taking away my freedom".
"childproofing a house, yep, should be legislated"
what is your version of childproofing a house? Are we talking about putting things that are dangerous out of reach or are we talking about bubble wrapping corners of tables and things that may in the event of contact cause a bruise?
How about the Big Dog in his jacked up diesel truck(that never sees dirt) with the 6" can coming out that is louder than a 450? Or the guy that has dual exhaust on his truck, or the guy with the little 4 banger rice burner that thinks if he makes it louder it is better. Fact is people as a whole like to bitch about something, anything.
If you live in a house where loud n=bikes disrupt your peaceful living on a daily basis maybe you bought a house on too busy a street for your comfort....
It's like the neighbors of one of our local tracks trying to get it shut down... some developer decided they would develop a field adjacent to our local track... built house and somehow managed to sell them to people - the street closest to the track had houses LITERALLY 50' from a 4th gear straight. These people have the nerve to bitch, right letters and go to city meeting about the 'noisy track".
The track is being shut down, now some on here will go on about how loud 4 strokes killed another track.... no our CHANGING AMERICAN ATTITUDES shut down that track.
Hmmmm, I'll buy a home 50' from a moto track that has been there for 35 years then tell them they are a nuisance and shut them down.
That's like buying a home on main street in Sturgis then lobbying against loud bikes...
We the PEOPLE are our own worst enemy.
We create all this by thinking that evertime we don't like something we can just get the Govt to fix it.
That's sick.
Wait til PITA gets all fishing banned, then beef and chicken. (think hard about that one)
I don't need anyone telling me what I can and can't do.
We send our children to fight for our freedom and then we vote in politicians to take it away.
Jacked up!
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Pit Row
a house, the tv is on.... its relatively a VERY quiet place and is NOT designed and specifically sound proofed from exhuast tones......
and for the record, I owned a Big Dog (dont get me started on those things reliability!) and i changed pipes to something LESS obnoxious!
loud pipes do NOT save lives, period, end of story, anyone that says they do is trying to justify a mystic and image... see the video for a better explaination.
my bitch is just the fact that attention whores think 120 db exhuast on a harley ect are a safety feature and everyone should have to deal with it just because THEY want it loud. again, 1 person pisses off 30 but he should have his rights, what about the 30?
I happen to like my pipes on my Harley, Busa and RMZ's.
And you doesn't include ME.
Majority doesn't rule here.
If you don't like the AMA then don't support it.
It's ALL about the Freedon to Choose.
I don't like people that burn the American flag, but they can AND do.
I think you've got your #'s mixed up too.
And just what exactly is "Loud"
The loud diesel guy, the ricer, the Harley Fags... They're all equally obnoxious, and I really do think it comes down to a need for attention; the "look at me, I'm a badass" attitude.
But, the Us vs. Them mentality comes into play with people complaining about bikes. Most people drive cars. Most cars are quiet. Hell, most bikes are quiet. Most Harleys are not! And when people see that the gross majority of "them" are the offenders, it's pretty easy to see why people get up in arms about loud bikes. And amongst car people, bikes are all lumped together. Fair? No, the noise ordinances should be enforced equally across the board, but you can see how it all comes about.
This has to be the best post ever.
" It's not about all of YOU!
I happen to like my pipes on my Harley, Busa and RMZ's.
And you doesn't include ME.
Majority doesn't rule here.
If you don't like the AMA then don't support it."
What about the guy with the bumping stereo? Seems there are more of those than loud bikes on the road.
For what it is worth I have none of the above mentioned in this thread but I used to and I like it loud and figure I have a lot of other shit to worry about than noise. Miedos is good for about a thread a week on this shit.
Someone had asked if I went to Daytona bike week. I didn't get that chance. Life is crazy trying to run businesses and get a outdoor series started. But I came across an AMA district letter trying to fight helmet laws. Made me think. Duh.
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