Bring a 2stroke class as an intermission race?

mxer124
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What does everyone think of a 250 2stroke class in between moto one and moto 2 of the nationals and a 2 stroke class In supercross that is full of up and coming amateurs. Kinda like a stepping stone into the pro ranks. It would be good for manufacturer exposure on the main screen and it would be good for the riders getting used to the big environment and it would help build up there strength before jumping on a 250f and getting hurt in sx.
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No. A 125 class at the nationals would be alright, but that leaves zero time for any track prep/tv. So no, won't happen. And no amateur needs to be on a sx track period.
8/20/2016 7:37am
Renner153 wrote:
No. A 125 class at the nationals would be alright, but that leaves zero time for any track prep/tv. So no, won't happen. And no amateur...
No. A 125 class at the nationals would be alright, but that leaves zero time for any track prep/tv. So no, won't happen. And no amateur needs to be on a sx track period.
Well they seemed to be fine at the monster cup, i know its not technically an sx track though
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8/20/2016 9:27am Edited Date/Time 8/20/2016 9:27am
Renner153 wrote:
No. A 125 class at the nationals would be alright, but that leaves zero time for any track prep/tv. So no, won't happen. And no amateur...
No. A 125 class at the nationals would be alright, but that leaves zero time for any track prep/tv. So no, won't happen. And no amateur needs to be on a sx track period.
i cannot buy into your reasoning for a moment. When they need to find the time they do. The race last year at Red Bud with Emig RC DeHoop is just one example.

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8/20/2016 10:10am
Also during Supercross a 10 lap supermini race for the top amateurs in a specific region. I would go just to watch it. Get rid of the 50 riders.
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8/20/2016 11:52am
After that sound and smell everyone would leave.
8/20/2016 1:06pm
Not sure why people can't grasp the fact that 2 strokes are dead when it comes to pro motocross.

There will never be any support besides mom and pop and gofundme.

Dead. Like Ricky said, no time. No tv time. There is no cash return for anyone. If it isn't making money theyr aren't doing it.
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8/20/2016 1:29pm
Nope... just need to fix the classes 150 or below and open!
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8/20/2016 4:58pm Edited Date/Time 8/20/2016 5:00pm
There only dead bc there is no straight 2 stroke class. They can't do well against a 4stroke with all that torque and raw power. Guarantee if there was a 2stroke class instead of a ktm jrs race it would bring in more crowds. It's also not as exciting to watch when both classes can clear all the obstacles. That was part of the fun of watching sx back in the day. If a 125 rider could do something that a 250 rider could but no other 125 could that was crazy. Now there's no separation
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Not sure why people can't grasp the fact that 2 strokes are dead when it comes to pro motocross. There will never be any support besides...
Not sure why people can't grasp the fact that 2 strokes are dead when it comes to pro motocross.

There will never be any support besides mom and pop and gofundme.

Dead. Like Ricky said, no time. No tv time. There is no cash return for anyone. If it isn't making money theyr aren't doing it.
That's what they said about 4T in the late 60s so the manufactures built 2 strokes and the die hards put 4 strokes in 2 stroke MX frames and small shops built custom 4 strokes. 2016. People are putting thousands into restoring used 2 strokes. And small shops are putting 2 stroke motors in 4 stroke frames.

A 125 2 stroke support race at every national would sell tickets and give 16 yr old kids a better way to enter the pros. And would help the sport everyone says they want to see grow.

They don't start the first moto until 1:00. Start at 12:00 and add one 20 minute moto.
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Not sure why people can't grasp the fact that 2 strokes are dead when it comes to pro motocross. There will never be any support besides...
Not sure why people can't grasp the fact that 2 strokes are dead when it comes to pro motocross.

There will never be any support besides mom and pop and gofundme.

Dead. Like Ricky said, no time. No tv time. There is no cash return for anyone. If it isn't making money theyr aren't doing it.
You're right, unfortunately.
This industry is cozy and the people that are making money, don't want a change, and they'll do whatever they can to keep it that way. It's quite simple.
What people fail to realise is, it's their money that is funding everything, so ultimately they hold the keys to change.
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Not sure why people can't grasp the fact that 2 strokes are dead when it comes to pro motocross. There will never be any support besides...
Not sure why people can't grasp the fact that 2 strokes are dead when it comes to pro motocross.

There will never be any support besides mom and pop and gofundme.

Dead. Like Ricky said, no time. No tv time. There is no cash return for anyone. If it isn't making money theyr aren't doing it.
tempura wrote:
You're right, unfortunately. This industry is cozy and the people that are making money, don't want a change, and they'll do whatever they can to keep...
You're right, unfortunately.
This industry is cozy and the people that are making money, don't want a change, and they'll do whatever they can to keep it that way. It's quite simple.
What people fail to realise is, it's their money that is funding everything, so ultimately they hold the keys to change.
I got your keys right here, fuck the establishment!




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Not sure why people can't grasp the fact that 2 strokes are dead when it comes to pro motocross. There will never be any support besides...
Not sure why people can't grasp the fact that 2 strokes are dead when it comes to pro motocross.

There will never be any support besides mom and pop and gofundme.

Dead. Like Ricky said, no time. No tv time. There is no cash return for anyone. If it isn't making money theyr aren't doing it.
tempura wrote:
You're right, unfortunately. This industry is cozy and the people that are making money, don't want a change, and they'll do whatever they can to keep...
You're right, unfortunately.
This industry is cozy and the people that are making money, don't want a change, and they'll do whatever they can to keep it that way. It's quite simple.
What people fail to realise is, it's their money that is funding everything, so ultimately they hold the keys to change.
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I got your keys right here, fuck the establishment! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/08/20/147993/s1200_20160819_155725.jpg[/img]
I got your keys right here, fuck the establishment!




You certainly have the right keys there sir!!
Looks awesome by the way!
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8/20/2016 6:07pm
There should be plenty of time, second motos don't come on TV until tomorrow night...


And 125 class, there is a 250 class already.Dry
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8/20/2016 7:29pm Edited Date/Time 8/20/2016 9:21pm
I like the idea. It is not a proposal for a new class. It is an exhibition race only. (support filler). Super Minis and/or High School 125 2t.

Time needed to prep the track between races, you must be kidding; they don't do shit to them.
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8/21/2016 5:07am
A 125 support class would be a great as a stepping stone. Yes have it at noon before moto 1. And get rid of the semi races in sx and have it then. Only have heats and lcq. Having so many ways to get in the main makes it an almost guarantee of who's in the main event.
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8/21/2016 5:33am
I think the 125 moto before the 1st 250f moto would work. 125 two strokes are not hard on the track and only 20 or so minutes would would be a nice warm up run to the big boys. I'd be willing to bet the crowd would dig it. And no, it won't get any tv time. I'm sure the powers that be wont allow that.
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8/21/2016 8:19am Edited Date/Time 8/21/2016 8:19am
mxer124 wrote:
What does everyone think of a 250 2stroke class in between moto one and moto 2 of the nationals and a 2 stroke class In supercross...
What does everyone think of a 250 2stroke class in between moto one and moto 2 of the nationals and a 2 stroke class In supercross that is full of up and coming amateurs. Kinda like a stepping stone into the pro ranks. It would be good for manufacturer exposure on the main screen and it would be good for the riders getting used to the big environment and it would help build up there strength before jumping on a 250f and getting hurt in sx.
We already have a 125 cc class, MX Sports just lets 250F's ride in it at the AMA Pro Nationals. The AMA classes have always been 125cc and 250cc, we got rid of the Open Class in 1994.

Email from the AMA regarding the "Outdated Double-Displacement Rule", the AMA permits equal displacement racing in amateur motocross and says:

"Regarding the competition rules for AMA Pro Motocross, this series is being operated by MX Sports under contract from the Daytona Sports Group. The AMA has no oversight of the existing rules or the modification of such rules. Please understand the AMA permits equal displacement racing in the amateur 125 and 250 racing classes. I will pass your email on to MX Sports and DMG."
~Bill Cumbow- Director of Racing


These years will go down in history as the "Dark Ages of MX" where management, with their heads up their asses, took several years to reduce the "Double Displacement Rule" advantage given to 4 strokes. It would be so easy to correct this injustice.... 75 cc advantage 2018 & 2019 then 50cc advantage starting 2020.
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8/21/2016 9:17am
Here is a fun idea. Lets do more USGPs(4-6 rounds) and start a version of EMX 125,250 and 300 at those races. Let's call it AMX.



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This proposal isn't about a new series, changing the current class structures or displacement rules.

It is about getting exposure to up and comers and having the grass roots have an occasional glimpse of the big show, and the big show seeing the regional riders without spending a fortune. Even though it says 2 stroke in the title, it just so happens that's what superminis are, and 125's which are right sized for pre-pro rider's and don't add confusion to what is already in the show.
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8/21/2016 1:12pm
I like it. Nothing the sound of 40 250 2 strokes heading to the first turn.
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Not sure why people can't grasp the fact that 2 strokes are dead when it comes to pro motocross. There will never be any support besides...
Not sure why people can't grasp the fact that 2 strokes are dead when it comes to pro motocross.

There will never be any support besides mom and pop and gofundme.

Dead. Like Ricky said, no time. No tv time. There is no cash return for anyone. If it isn't making money theyr aren't doing it.
tempura wrote:
You're right, unfortunately. This industry is cozy and the people that are making money, don't want a change, and they'll do whatever they can to keep...
You're right, unfortunately.
This industry is cozy and the people that are making money, don't want a change, and they'll do whatever they can to keep it that way. It's quite simple.
What people fail to realise is, it's their money that is funding everything, so ultimately they hold the keys to change.
slipdog wrote:
I got your keys right here, fuck the establishment! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/08/20/147993/s1200_20160819_155725.jpg[/img]
I got your keys right here, fuck the establishment!




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