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ercj4455 Posts: 7 Joined: 7/07/2008 Location: LAGUNA NIGUEL, CA	7/7/2008 4:55 PM ercj4455 wrote: I think Crash 82's idea of creating some kind of signaling procedure for the National riders carries a hell of a lot of weight. I saw that whole Stroupe deal with my own two eyes at Lakewood and it about made me sick to my stomach. There was a young kid stationed BEHIND the fence with a yellow flag. In defense of the kid, that's what he was — A KID. He had no idea of what to do when Stroupe's bike landed in a total blind spot and as Stroupe watched on (he was smart to not go after the bike) the kid stood with the flag hanging limply over the fence. ALL that had to happen was for an AMA official (who showed up after about 38 bikes had destroyed Stroupe's bike) to get atop that blind jump and make a pushing gesture to force everyone to jump to the inside. Even that didn't happen. I spoke to Stroupe in the airport in on Sunday (as well as Mitch Payton) and we were all blown away by the incident. You CAN'T have young kids with no true experience placed by such a dangerous section of track. The whole thing made our sport look barbaric. I was watching along with a number of fans and more than a few were spooked with what they had seen. And Mike Alessi's crash... I agree, not much could be done there, However, Crash's idea is worth exploring. In dong some work in NASCAR, I keep an eye on how they do things. if you watched the Coke Zero 400 on Saturday night, you may have noticed the caution lights on the fences around the track that went off as SOON as a caution was thrown. s with everything in NASCAR, it's all been thought through. It would all have explored, but yellow lights should be placed around the track in sketchy sections and two to three spotters should be placed around the track in elevated positions who can control these lights. I very much think something like this could be made to work. As bikes get bigger and faster and track sections more hairball, I think it would be great to begin exploring the reality of such an idea ASAP. Let's not drag our feet. Be proactive. You know how it is in all racing... It always takes someone to get hurt before something gets fixed. ercj4455 wrote: I think Crash 82's idea of creating some kind of signaling procedure for the National riders carries a hell of a lot of weight. I saw that whole Stroupe deal with my own two eyes at Lakewood and it about made me sick to my stomach. There was a young kid stationed BEHIND the fence with a yellow flag. In defense of the kid, that's what he was — A KID. He had no idea of what to do when Stroupe's bike landed in a total blind spot and as Stroupe watched on (he was smart to not go after the bike) the kid stood with the flag hanging limply over the fence. ALL that had to happen was for an AMA official (who showed up after about 38 bikes had destroyed Stroupe's bike) to get atop that blind jump and make a pushing gesture to force everyone to jump to the inside. Even that didn't happen. I spoke to Stroupe in the airport in on Sunday (as well as Mitch Payton) and we were all blown away by the incident. You CAN'T have young kids with no true experience placed by such a dangerous section of track. The whole thing made our sport look barbaric. I was watching along with a number of fans and more than a few were spooked with what they had seen. And Mike Alessi's crash... I agree, not much could be done there, However, Crash's idea is worth exploring. In dong some work in NASCAR, I keep an eye on how they do things. if you watched the Coke Zero 400 on Saturday night, you may have noticed the caution lights on the fences around the track that went off as SOON as a caution was thrown. s with everything in NASCAR, it's all been thought through. It would all have explored, but yellow lights should be placed around the track in sketchy sections and two to three spotters should be placed around the track in elevated positions who can control these lights. I very much think something like this could be made to work. As bikes get bigger and faster and track sections more hairball, I think it would be great to begin exploring the reality of such an idea ASAP. Let's not drag our feet. Be proactive. You know how it is in all racing... It always takes someone to get hurt before something gets fixed. Quote Last Post Only I think Crash 82's idea of creating some kind of signaling procedure for the National riders carries a hell of a lot of weight. I saw that whole Stroupe deal with my own two eyes at Lakewood and it about made me sick to my stomach. There was a young kid stationed BEHIND the fence with a yellow flag. In defense of the kid, that's what he was — A KID. He had no idea of what to do when Stroupe's bike landed in a total blind spot and as Stroupe watched on (he was smart to not go after the bike) the kid stood with the flag hanging limply over the fence. ALL that had to happen was for an AMA official (who showed up after about 38 bikes had destroyed Stroupe's bike) to get atop that blind jump and make a pushing gesture to force everyone to jump to the inside. Even that didn't happen. I spoke to Stroupe in the airport in on Sunday (as well as Mitch Payton) and we were all blown away by the incident. You CAN'T have young kids with no true experience placed by such a dangerous section of track. The whole thing made our sport look barbaric. I was watching along with a number of fans and more than a few were spooked with what they had seen. And Mike Alessi's crash... I agree, not much could be done there, However, Crash's idea is worth exploring. In dong some work in NASCAR, I keep an eye on how they do things. if you watched the Coke Zero 400 on Saturday night, you may have noticed the caution lights on the fences around the track that went off as SOON as a caution was thrown. s with everything in NASCAR, it's all been thought through. It would all have explored, but yellow lights should be placed around the track in sketchy sections and two to three spotters should be placed around the track in elevated positions who can control these lights. I very much think something like this could be made to work. As bikes get bigger and faster and track sections more hairball, I think it would be great to begin exploring the reality of such an idea ASAP. Let's not drag our feet. Be proactive. You know how it is in all racing... It always takes someone to get hurt before something gets fixed.
Crash82 Posts: 1411 Joined: 9/16/2006 Location: Montgomery, AL	7/7/2008 5:28 PM Crash82 wrote: The room goes silient, wtf someone agrees with Crash'82? Come in here agreeing with 82 on your first post, lol, he's a suicide bomber! Oh STFU newb. Crash82 wrote: The room goes silient, wtf someone agrees with Crash'82? Come in here agreeing with 82 on your first post, lol, he's a suicide bomber! Oh STFU newb. Quote Last Post Only The room goes silient, wtf someone agrees with Crash'82? Come in here agreeing with 82 on your first post, lol, he's a suicide bomber! Oh STFU newb.
RanelC10 Posts: 164 Joined: 4/01/2008 Location: Tucson, AZ	7/7/2008 5:33 PM RanelC10 wrote: There is nothing to explore or figure out. There is already tracks around doing this. All the AMA has to do is buy the system and set it up every weekend. Its not even hard to operate. RanelC10 wrote: There is nothing to explore or figure out. There is already tracks around doing this. All the AMA has to do is buy the system and set it up every weekend. Its not even hard to operate. Quote Last Post Only There is nothing to explore or figure out. There is already tracks around doing this. All the AMA has to do is buy the system and set it up every weekend. Its not even hard to operate.
ercj4455 Posts: 7 Joined: 7/07/2008 Location: LAGUNA NIGUEL, CA	7/7/2008 5:40 PM ercj4455 wrote: This is the first time I've ever posted a thing on any site. RanelC10 just told me wanted I wanted to hear. With the radical elevation changes, high speeds and blind jumps present in National MX, it wpld be pretty damn cool to see someone step up and make this happen. -Eric Johnson ercj4455 wrote: This is the first time I've ever posted a thing on any site. RanelC10 just told me wanted I wanted to hear. With the radical elevation changes, high speeds and blind jumps present in National MX, it wpld be pretty damn cool to see someone step up and make this happen. -Eric Johnson Quote Last Post Only This is the first time I've ever posted a thing on any site. RanelC10 just told me wanted I wanted to hear. With the radical elevation changes, high speeds and blind jumps present in National MX, it wpld be pretty damn cool to see someone step up and make this happen. -Eric Johnson
flarider Posts: 12048 Joined: 4/01/2008 Location: MERRITT ISLAND, FL	7/7/2008 5:40 PM RanelC10 wrote: There is nothing to explore or figure out. There is already tracks around doing this. All the AMA has to do is buy the system and set it up every weekend. Its not even hard to operate. RanelC10 wrote: There is nothing to explore or figure out. There is already tracks around doing this. All the AMA has to do is buy the system and set it up every weekend. Its not even hard to operate. flarider wrote: Agreed, and a similar system is already in place in SX on triples. Quote Last Post Only flarider wrote: Agreed, and a similar system is already in place in SX on triples. Quote Last Post Only Agreed, and a similar system is already in place in SX on triples. Licensed Professional VitalDrive Fisherman License #2008_001
RanelC10 Posts: 164 Joined: 4/01/2008 Location: Tucson, AZ	7/7/2008 5:50 PM RanelC10 wrote: Is this something that we could send an e-mail to DC about? Im sure he, or someone at Racer X has seen the other thread about this anyway. Or does this go to the AMA? Maybe if something doesn't happen, we could get a petition going on here. I know I would be happy to get the people at my local track (that actually uses the system) to sign it. I don't know where they can buy the light system. If they would like to find out, they could contact Pima Motorsports Park in Tucson, AZ. (www.pimamotorsportspark.com) Great track and owner and I'm sure he would be happy to talk to anyone about the system. RanelC10 wrote: Is this something that we could send an e-mail to DC about? Im sure he, or someone at Racer X has seen the other thread about this anyway. Or does this go to the AMA? Maybe if something doesn't happen, we could get a petition going on here. I know I would be happy to get the people at my local track (that actually uses the system) to sign it. I don't know where they can buy the light system. If they would like to find out, they could contact Pima Motorsports Park in Tucson, AZ. (www.pimamotorsportspark.com) Great track and owner and I'm sure he would be happy to talk to anyone about the system. Quote Last Post Only Is this something that we could send an e-mail to DC about? Im sure he, or someone at Racer X has seen the other thread about this anyway. Or does this go to the AMA? Maybe if something doesn't happen, we could get a petition going on here. I know I would be happy to get the people at my local track (that actually uses the system) to sign it. I don't know where they can buy the light system. If they would like to find out, they could contact Pima Motorsports Park in Tucson, AZ. (www.pimamotorsportspark.com) Great track and owner and I'm sure he would be happy to talk to anyone about the system.
RanelC10 Posts: 164 Joined: 4/01/2008 Location: Tucson, AZ	7/7/2008 5:54 PM RanelC10 wrote: Also, someone mentioned in the other thread that the lights on the track will be dangerous. While I would say I wouldn't want to hit the light, I have. Hit it on the face of the jump, the light broke, I hardly noticed it. I'm sure there could be a situation where it would make you crash though. There probably could be a way to do it where it would bend like the yellow Acerbis track markers do. RanelC10 wrote: Also, someone mentioned in the other thread that the lights on the track will be dangerous. While I would say I wouldn't want to hit the light, I have. Hit it on the face of the jump, the light broke, I hardly noticed it. I'm sure there could be a situation where it would make you crash though. There probably could be a way to do it where it would bend like the yellow Acerbis track markers do. Quote Last Post Only Also, someone mentioned in the other thread that the lights on the track will be dangerous. While I would say I wouldn't want to hit the light, I have. Hit it on the face of the jump, the light broke, I hardly noticed it. I'm sure there could be a situation where it would make you crash though. There probably could be a way to do it where it would bend like the yellow Acerbis track markers do.
wilcom121 Posts: 99 Joined: 8/15/2006 Location: Frederick, MD	7/7/2008 6:02 PM wilcom121 wrote: Something like this happens and everyone jumps on the bandwagon saying how flaggers are terrible and something needs to be done. Then if they put in lights somebody hits one or there is operator error and everyone would jump on saying that system sucks and something needs to be done. So now were back to the flagger system and they need to be out in the track waving the flag until one of them gets hit and then everyone will bitch saying they need to stay off the track. It is a no win situation, motocross is fast and dangerous and something are just unavoidable. Plus in a month this will be completely forgotten, like the transworld guy that hit that big tire. tell me those giant round bails wrapped in plastic at red bud are that much safer head on. wilcom121 wrote: Something like this happens and everyone jumps on the bandwagon saying how flaggers are terrible and something needs to be done. Then if they put in lights somebody hits one or there is operator error and everyone would jump on saying that system sucks and something needs to be done. So now were back to the flagger system and they need to be out in the track waving the flag until one of them gets hit and then everyone will bitch saying they need to stay off the track. It is a no win situation, motocross is fast and dangerous and something are just unavoidable. Plus in a month this will be completely forgotten, like the transworld guy that hit that big tire. tell me those giant round bails wrapped in plastic at red bud are that much safer head on. Quote Last Post Only Something like this happens and everyone jumps on the bandwagon saying how flaggers are terrible and something needs to be done. Then if they put in lights somebody hits one or there is operator error and everyone would jump on saying that system sucks and something needs to be done. So now were back to the flagger system and they need to be out in the track waving the flag until one of them gets hit and then everyone will bitch saying they need to stay off the track. It is a no win situation, motocross is fast and dangerous and something are just unavoidable. Plus in a month this will be completely forgotten, like the transworld guy that hit that big tire. tell me those giant round bails wrapped in plastic at red bud are that much safer head on.
GuyB Posts: 2577 Joined: 7/10/2006 Location: Irvine, CA	7/7/2008 6:06 PM GuyB wrote: Hey ercj4455...welcome to the site. I was there in Lakewood, and watched the same thing. Like you said, it was lucky that Austin had the sense to not go out onto the track, or we could have had two "blind" situations in back-to-back weeks. I like the idea of opening a dialog on this, I was just thinking that we were getting overcomplicated in some of them. GuyB wrote: Hey ercj4455...welcome to the site. I was there in Lakewood, and watched the same thing. Like you said, it was lucky that Austin had the sense to not go out onto the track, or we could have had two "blind" situations in back-to-back weeks. I like the idea of opening a dialog on this, I was just thinking that we were getting overcomplicated in some of them. Quote Last Post Only Hey ercj4455...welcome to the site. I was there in Lakewood, and watched the same thing. Like you said, it was lucky that Austin had the sense to not go out onto the track, or we could have had two "blind" situations in back-to-back weeks. I like the idea of opening a dialog on this, I was just thinking that we were getting overcomplicated in some of them.
RanelC10 Posts: 164 Joined: 4/01/2008 Location: Tucson, AZ	7/7/2008 6:19 PM wilcom121 wrote: Something like this happens and everyone jumps on the bandwagon saying how flaggers are terrible and something needs to be done. Then if they put in lights somebody hits one or there is operator error and everyone would jump on saying that system sucks and something needs to be done. So now were back to the flagger system and they need to be out in the track waving the flag until one of them gets hit and then everyone will bitch saying they need to stay off the track. It is a no win situation, motocross is fast and dangerous and something are just unavoidable. Plus in a month this will be completely forgotten, like the transworld guy that hit that big tire. tell me those giant round bails wrapped in plastic at red bud are that much safer head on. wilcom121 wrote: Something like this happens and everyone jumps on the bandwagon saying how flaggers are terrible and something needs to be done. Then if they put in lights somebody hits one or there is operator error and everyone would jump on saying that system sucks and something needs to be done. So now were back to the flagger system and they need to be out in the track waving the flag until one of them gets hit and then everyone will bitch saying they need to stay off the track. It is a no win situation, motocross is fast and dangerous and something are just unavoidable. Plus in a month this will be completely forgotten, like the transworld guy that hit that big tire. tell me those giant round bails wrapped in plastic at red bud are that much safer head on. RanelC10 wrote: When was the last time you saw someone get landed on in supercross after a triple? Its not just that the light is better than a flag. It should be used on the faces of blind jumps and thats it. It should be a no jump rule when the light is on and you do jump you get penalized! Quote Last Post Only RanelC10 wrote: When was the last time you saw someone get landed on in supercross after a triple? Its not just that the light is better than a flag. It should be used on the faces of blind jumps and thats it. It should be a no jump rule when the light is on and you do jump you get penalized! Quote Last Post Only When was the last time you saw someone get landed on in supercross after a triple? Its not just that the light is better than a flag. It should be used on the faces of blind jumps and thats it. It should be a no jump rule when the light is on and you do jump you get penalized!
ercj4455 Posts: 7 Joined: 7/07/2008 Location: LAGUNA NIGUEL, CA	7/7/2008 7:14 PM ercj4455 wrote: Yes, Guy B, opening a dialog is a start. And I'm not jumping on any bandwagon. I've been fortunate enough to be around NASCAR, F1, MotoGP, etc. and the leaders and riders of these sports are always looking to make things safer. Did you see Jeff Gordon hit that open wall in Vegas NASCAR in the spring? He hit so hard, they found the radiator halfway down the backstretch. Within a few days NASCAR mandated no open walls. I was impressed with their sincerity and no excuses approach. How about when Robert Kubica exploded his BMW at Montreal last year? It took decades and a lot of lost lives to get the cars as safe as they are now. Ever notice all the runoff room at a MotoGP race? I think the solution in a cooperative of flaggers and some sort of lighting system. RanelC10, again, I think you have it right. I wouldn't be compelled to fall on the sword for this if I didn't believe there was a reachable upside to it all. I've been at this a while now and the Stroupe thing REALLY opened my eyes. ercj4455 wrote: Yes, Guy B, opening a dialog is a start. And I'm not jumping on any bandwagon. I've been fortunate enough to be around NASCAR, F1, MotoGP, etc. and the leaders and riders of these sports are always looking to make things safer. Did you see Jeff Gordon hit that open wall in Vegas NASCAR in the spring? He hit so hard, they found the radiator halfway down the backstretch. Within a few days NASCAR mandated no open walls. I was impressed with their sincerity and no excuses approach. How about when Robert Kubica exploded his BMW at Montreal last year? It took decades and a lot of lost lives to get the cars as safe as they are now. Ever notice all the runoff room at a MotoGP race? I think the solution in a cooperative of flaggers and some sort of lighting system. RanelC10, again, I think you have it right. I wouldn't be compelled to fall on the sword for this if I didn't believe there was a reachable upside to it all. I've been at this a while now and the Stroupe thing REALLY opened my eyes. Quote Last Post Only Yes, Guy B, opening a dialog is a start. And I'm not jumping on any bandwagon. I've been fortunate enough to be around NASCAR, F1, MotoGP, etc. and the leaders and riders of these sports are always looking to make things safer. Did you see Jeff Gordon hit that open wall in Vegas NASCAR in the spring? He hit so hard, they found the radiator halfway down the backstretch. Within a few days NASCAR mandated no open walls. I was impressed with their sincerity and no excuses approach. How about when Robert Kubica exploded his BMW at Montreal last year? It took decades and a lot of lost lives to get the cars as safe as they are now. Ever notice all the runoff room at a MotoGP race? I think the solution in a cooperative of flaggers and some sort of lighting system. RanelC10, again, I think you have it right. I wouldn't be compelled to fall on the sword for this if I didn't believe there was a reachable upside to it all. I've been at this a while now and the Stroupe thing REALLY opened my eyes.

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