Biggest... Never was.

Tpog496 wrote:

J law

hillbilly wrote:

Rodney Barr was better than Bradshaw ,he could ride a bike but imploded when a pro.

oldmotophan wrote:

Mini Heros are just like pee-wee football stars......I know this first hand as I have lived it with my son who plays and loves football. Many...

Mini Heros are just like pee-wee football stars......I know this first hand as I have lived it with my son who plays and loves football. Many of the kids that are pee-wee football stars are not even playing anymore by the time they are varsity age. Why? because they have matured faster physically than the other kids. Point blank, they are bigger, stronger, faster at a younger age. We had a kid on my sons team that literally looked 25 years old in the eight grade. Receding hairline, full beard, best player in the league. This kid had the emotional maturity of a 5 year old. Tons of pressure on him because winning or losing was in his hands (just mortgaged the family home to buy another bike and go to Loretta's). Temper tantrums, getting kicked out of games acting like a total baby, because he was coddled because he was the star, bad behavior was allowed, rules didn't seem to apply to him, he was amazing (as many mini stars, think.. Buddy Antunez...just a beast) to watch. By the time he was a sophomore all the other kids had caught up physically and were not as beat up, the poor kid had a torn labrum in the seventh grade, carried the ball 25 times a game since the fourth grade. He was wore out and not noticeably better than the other kids at this point, so guess what, he quits! switches schools and runs with the wrong crowd at his new school and last we heard is in trouble with the law for drugs. Just like mini heros beat up and burned out by their 16th birthday. There are some exceptions of high expectations early in life that do become champs, in both football (Manning brothers comes to mind) and motocross (RC, JS7) but not many.

Tpog496 wrote:

J law

Rab wrote:

J law won a lites title in 08

jhansen510 wrote:

This thread shows me a huge flaw in how we view our sports greatest. Good topic Scott. However it bothers me that guys like Alessi, AC...

This thread shows me a huge flaw in how we view our sports greatest. Good topic Scott. However it bothers me that guys like Alessi, AC, Deano, Reynard, etc are put into this category. Only one guy can win. I do not think the guys that have long careers inside the top 10 or 20 should be looked down upon. The guy that just misses qualifying for the fast 40 is the same guy that makes every dude at his local track look like a bitch. If we ever want our sport to grow there needs to be a solution where the guys from 1-40 are all making a solid living and getting the respect they deserve. Just my opinion of course.

Tpog496 wrote:

J law

Rab wrote:

J law won a lites title in 08

Tpog496 wrote:

I don't care he's still on my list.

BornA'Lil2Slow wrote:

the amount of retardation in this thread is astounding. so as defined and required in this thread to be on the list, its win on a...

the amount of retardation in this thread is astounding.

so as defined and required in this thread to be on the list, its win on a professional level, then morphed into its winning a big bike title or you're a never was.

ok.... then Kevin Windham. zero 450sx titles, zero 450 outdoor titles. blasphemy! And this shows you that things like this are a popularity contest, not a results contest.

Now if you mean huge potential and never really produced/rose to top level..... Alessi is NOT on that list, Millsaps definitely isn't on the list.

BornA'Lil2Slow wrote:

the amount of retardation in this thread is astounding. so as defined and required in this thread to be on the list, its win on a...

the amount of retardation in this thread is astounding.

so as defined and required in this thread to be on the list, its win on a professional level, then morphed into its winning a big bike title or you're a never was.

ok.... then Kevin Windham. zero 450sx titles, zero 450 outdoor titles. blasphemy! And this shows you that things like this are a popularity contest, not a results contest.

Now if you mean huge potential and never really produced/rose to top level..... Alessi is NOT on that list, Millsaps definitely isn't on the list.

Flatliner wrote:

The only thing with Alessi , I think most people would have picked him to win more. I know that's almost unfair, it's just the way...

The only thing with Alessi , I think most people would have picked him to win more. I know that's almost unfair, it's just the way he dominated as an amateur rider. I know I thought of him as someone who would win supercross races, which hadn't happened yet ( I don't think he won on a 250 but I could be wrong).

I just can't help but wonder how he'd do on a good team and the big thing is, without tony around. Just have it be mike, the team and his trainer. I know he's had factory bikes, but I can't recall the family taking a step back and letting mike do things on his own.

oldmotophan wrote:

Mini Heros are just like pee-wee football stars......I know this first hand as I have lived it with my son who plays and loves football. Many...

Mini Heros are just like pee-wee football stars......I know this first hand as I have lived it with my son who plays and loves football. Many of the kids that are pee-wee football stars are not even playing anymore by the time they are varsity age. Why? because they have matured faster physically than the other kids. Point blank, they are bigger, stronger, faster at a younger age. We had a kid on my sons team that literally looked 25 years old in the eight grade. Receding hairline, full beard, best player in the league. This kid had the emotional maturity of a 5 year old. Tons of pressure on him because winning or losing was in his hands (just mortgaged the family home to buy another bike and go to Loretta's). Temper tantrums, getting kicked out of games acting like a total baby, because he was coddled because he was the star, bad behavior was allowed, rules didn't seem to apply to him, he was amazing (as many mini stars, think.. Buddy Antunez...just a beast) to watch. By the time he was a sophomore all the other kids had caught up physically and were not as beat up, the poor kid had a torn labrum in the seventh grade, carried the ball 25 times a game since the fourth grade. He was wore out and not noticeably better than the other kids at this point, so guess what, he quits! switches schools and runs with the wrong crowd at his new school and last we heard is in trouble with the law for drugs. Just like mini heros beat up and burned out by their 16th birthday. There are some exceptions of high expectations early in life that do become champs, in both football (Manning brothers comes to mind) and motocross (RC, JS7) but not many.

BornA'Lil2Slow wrote:

the amount of retardation in this thread is astounding. so as defined and required in this thread to be on the list, its win on a...

the amount of retardation in this thread is astounding.

so as defined and required in this thread to be on the list, its win on a professional level, then morphed into its winning a big bike title or you're a never was.

ok.... then Kevin Windham. zero 450sx titles, zero 450 outdoor titles. blasphemy! And this shows you that things like this are a popularity contest, not a results contest.

Now if you mean huge potential and never really produced/rose to top level..... Alessi is NOT on that list, Millsaps definitely isn't on the list.

BornA'Lil2Slow wrote:

the amount of retardation in this thread is astounding. so as defined and required in this thread to be on the list, its win on a...

the amount of retardation in this thread is astounding.

so as defined and required in this thread to be on the list, its win on a professional level, then morphed into its winning a big bike title or you're a never was.

ok.... then Kevin Windham. zero 450sx titles, zero 450 outdoor titles. blasphemy! And this shows you that things like this are a popularity contest, not a results contest.

Now if you mean huge potential and never really produced/rose to top level..... Alessi is NOT on that list, Millsaps definitely isn't on the list.

Flatliner wrote:

The only thing with Alessi , I think most people would have picked him to win more. I know that's almost unfair, it's just the way...

The only thing with Alessi , I think most people would have picked him to win more. I know that's almost unfair, it's just the way he dominated as an amateur rider. I know I thought of him as someone who would win supercross races, which hadn't happened yet ( I don't think he won on a 250 but I could be wrong).

I just can't help but wonder how he'd do on a good team and the big thing is, without tony around. Just have it be mike, the team and his trainer. I know he's had factory bikes, but I can't recall the family taking a step back and letting mike do things on his own.

Dtat720 wrote:

Thats because it will never happen, Mike has said on many occassions Tony is part of the deal and Tony will always be part of the...

Thats because it will never happen, Mike has said on many occassions Tony is part of the deal and Tony will always be part of the deal and if they ask for Tony to step back, Mike will step back. For whatever reason, Mike and Tony are a package deal, and that is Mikes choosing as he has said more than once. So, thinking Mike would do better without him? Mike doesnt feel he can, and that is a huge part of it. Obviously Mike doesnt have a problem with Tony, so why should anyone else?

Flatliner wrote:

The only thing with Alessi , I think most people would have picked him to win more. I know that's almost unfair, it's just the way...

The only thing with Alessi , I think most people would have picked him to win more. I know that's almost unfair, it's just the way he dominated as an amateur rider. I know I thought of him as someone who would win supercross races, which hadn't happened yet ( I don't think he won on a 250 but I could be wrong).

I just can't help but wonder how he'd do on a good team and the big thing is, without tony around. Just have it be mike, the team and his trainer. I know he's had factory bikes, but I can't recall the family taking a step back and letting mike do things on his own.

Dtat720 wrote:

Thats because it will never happen, Mike has said on many occassions Tony is part of the deal and Tony will always be part of the...

Thats because it will never happen, Mike has said on many occassions Tony is part of the deal and Tony will always be part of the deal and if they ask for Tony to step back, Mike will step back. For whatever reason, Mike and Tony are a package deal, and that is Mikes choosing as he has said more than once. So, thinking Mike would do better without him? Mike doesnt feel he can, and that is a huge part of it. Obviously Mike doesnt have a problem with Tony, so why should anyone else?

Flatliner wrote:

Which is fine if that's how he wants to go. It's his career. Having said that he's on a team right now that has little to...

Which is fine if that's how he wants to go. It's his career. Having said that he's on a team right now that has little to none in the way of factory support. Those two things are related.

vanillaice782 wrote:

He didn't have a million titles like Izzi or Alessi but Billy Fosnock! He beat a lot of fast guys as an amateur at different times...

He didn't have a million titles like Izzi or Alessi but Billy Fosnock! He beat a lot of fast guys as an amateur at different times (Emig, Larocco, Hughes, Brown). He won a decent amount of motos ar LL's but headed down the wrong path and ended up going to jail

Dtat720 wrote:

Thats because it will never happen, Mike has said on many occassions Tony is part of the deal and Tony will always be part of the...

Thats because it will never happen, Mike has said on many occassions Tony is part of the deal and Tony will always be part of the deal and if they ask for Tony to step back, Mike will step back. For whatever reason, Mike and Tony are a package deal, and that is Mikes choosing as he has said more than once. So, thinking Mike would do better without him? Mike doesnt feel he can, and that is a huge part of it. Obviously Mike doesnt have a problem with Tony, so why should anyone else?

Flatliner wrote:

Which is fine if that's how he wants to go. It's his career. Having said that he's on a team right now that has little to...

Which is fine if that's how he wants to go. It's his career. Having said that he's on a team right now that has little to none in the way of factory support. Those two things are related.

A. DLeary wrote:

And wont even be able to win a Canadien Championship this year. His career has been a giant WTF are you doing moment for me.

visser62 wrote:

It's hard to define what "never was" means, because you could be talking about an obscure mini rider, or somebody who rode at the professional level...

It's hard to define what "never was" means, because you could be talking about an obscure mini rider, or somebody who rode at the professional level. But I personally feel like Pastrana was the furthest from his potential. I know he has an outdoor title and a regional SX title, but still, I can't help but wonder what would have happened if he had stayed healthy and focused on the 250. He might be happier with the way his career has gone, though.